500..........

Just to clear one little thing up...

The claim that NATS is somehow not "backwards compatible" with CCBill Links and the like.. and that switching from CCBill to NATS is a problem.. John mentioned it but to clear this up totally...

We _CAN_ redirect CCBill link codes to NATS! This has not been possible for long yet, but recently we have found a way together with CCBill to do this for ANY kind of CCBill link out there.

You can even continue to use your ccbill linking code and it would not be a problem at all... only difference is, ALL new stats are in NATS.

i can't believe i read all of this !!!!!!!!!



:Oh crap

bump for a cool solution

first - last page only :) what a mess uh...

offtopic : got them feetpics from Kari for feetpost? :) (adding some positivity here)

that's awesome news thanks for letting us know

I stopped promoting her a while back because I predicted a move to NATs which would essentially make me change all my link codes anyway. I wish more people would just start out with NATs, because switching blows. Anyway, I still have a nice bunch of rebillers every month that like to see Ashley get naked.

Finally caught up from last night... Ashley, swallow your pride and try to make things good with Mutt.

This has nothing to do with pride. This has everything to do with she thinking she could make MORE m o n e y. Simple as that. Now that she sees a lot of people pulled their links, she is thinking damn what did I do. :1orglaugh

Pride as in she admitting to that she was wrong and should have listened to Mutt...

I don't get it.
Mutt said she was getting all the money already.
So what much more does she wants ?
I dont think this has much to do with the real reason.

Man, what a long read!

Hopefully it will be resolved as well as it can be for both Mutt and Ashley.

This thread did shed a little light on why no new promo content was ever there when I looked.

yeah, didnt SapphicCash do that?

I have read all 11 pages...My eyes burn...LOL

What I got out of this, is the following:

I'll help you get your site up and you won't have to pay me a dime. However, I own ALL the content and design. If you do this and that, you will always have a site.

Here is the "THIS" part of the equation: Learn the business, learn basic HTML, A little Photoshop, maintain your camshow schedule and you will have to shoot "X" number of scenes per month of which remember, I own.


What I want to know is, what is the "THAT" part of this equation is?

There is something huge missing here from both parties. All I know it is bullshit and you are BOTH hurting affiliates who have put their trust in BOTH of you in operating the site.

I have always been skeptical in promoting single girl sites (There are a few exceptions) for this type of situation alone. Agreements and contracts are off the cuff and if one thing goes wrong, everything goes down in flames to include the affiliates who are typically responsible for atleast 50% of the sites success.

As my dad has ALWAYS told me, NOTHING in life is for free. Looks like he was right again.

:1orglaugh this thread is going no where.

true, but I'd love to hear the details that Mutt is leaving out (the ones he stated he wouldn't post about), like things that reflect badly on her character

After reading this thread, I frankly don't care what the reasons are, this is what I've learned about Ashley.

She is impulsive. She does not think things through. She does not explore all options, before sending out first one email telling affiliates to "take down links" and then comes here and "its down to the wire and I'm leaving my site up" and "sue me if you want" and then sends out yet another email telling affiliates that they can leave their links up.

I neither need nor desire the headache of a program that creates additional work & stress based upon an individual's rash impulsive decisions.

Whatever the 'fallout' may or may not have been between Ashley & Mutt, it does not change the fact that one minute it was "take down the links" and the next it was "I've changed my mind." Ashley -- Make a decision, and STICK TO IT.

Somebody call in the real lawyers

http://www.dclegalcrier.com/FR-johnny.JPG

lol, another girl who feels she can do it better on her own... that's why I pay my girls a flat rate and bring them back. I'll NEVER let anyone of my models run their own sites :2 cents:

Nobody has posted for 45 mins, time for a bump

I'm debating whether to sit this one out, or just pull down the links and be done with it.

Where did I say, that "I" advised her?

I was sent a message and asked to post it and I did.

and so it continues it seems..

If the new design converts I will send traffic. Frankly the old design which is being held hostage never converted worth a damn for me.

Ok my bad - whoever advised her to do that....

I would sit this one out if it was me, Ashley has already had several offers, from some big people in this business. She will have to decide where to go from here. I have talked to Ashley alot in the last week, as she says: She isn't going anywhere.

I was hoping that her and Mutt could work thing's out, I have asked her if that's possible and I have been told, No! I have been told a few thing's about Ashley working with Mutt and Aron from TNA, all I will say....she at some point got uncomfortable.

Ashley is on her way home and I will be shooting her for the next week.

I know that being, 22 yrs old and making the kind of money she has made
is insane for alot of young girls. When I was 22yrs old...all I wanted to do was party. I'am making no excuses for Ashley, she will have to work harder now than she ever has had to.

I hope this helps some of you out.

~LL

hahaha..exactly....people you are like sheep...

If i was her and i was making all that money and did not have to pay anyone, why would i leave and want to do it on my own, lets just say i am old enough and smart enough to know there is a much deeper reason behind this kind of nonsense.

Dont be so quick to point at a young model, so often i see many many get taken advantage of or used up, its just part of this biz, and for that matter any biz, but more this one than any other. Then there are the really dumb ones who will do stupid things too.

Who knows really except its just a shame cause seemed as she had something good going, will be interesting to see if she bounces back or goes to work at Starbucks.
:upsidedow

this thread got mad views

Yes my son I do recall telling you that :winkwink:

Thread of the week. Someone's gonna get a prize.

Who the fuck is she and why is this thread 11 motherfucking pages long?

wtf I'm not reading all that.

yeah.. obviously more to the story then being told. mutt they'll burn ya everytime bro. ashley all i have to say is good luck because most likely your going to need it.

So who do I email to claim my prize for longest serious topic of october 2005 on GFY:)?

i didn't know gfy still does that

Do I get one for prime sig spot ?

Shit this thread got big

Mutt, after reading the entire thread and listening to what many others have said it appears you are a great guy with a heart of gold. However, I can only conclude that your "I won't make dime off her ass" attitude somehow contributed to the way Ashley changed over the last year you have been working with her. She never had to pay or work much for anything, it was all given to her. If she would have at least had some obligations, especially early on, then maybe she could have formed the kind of work ethic necessary to succeed in this industry. People learn to value and respect what they have to earn.

granted i'm only on page one, but i find mutt's veiled threats to use ashley's real name by repeatedly typing 'Ashley "Brookes" offensive and a testament to his real character. as well as his admission he has lied to affiliates. thats just page 1 though... who knows.

Yea until you find out that Mutt has never even met Ashley? now that shows he doesn't want her that way.

This is a joke but you can't save a Ho or turn a Ho into a housewife or should I say a model into a webmaster..

Exactly... that should quiet all those saying he was doing what he was doing for ass

Not necessarily...I wouldn't be suprised if he had countless day dreams about their first meeting.

And why is everyone ignoring what Lexi said "Ashley was starting to feel uncomfortable"

Ashley is a smart girl, she is not going to start throwing accusations out there. You can tell she has something to say, but she is not going to say it because she does not want to burn anymore bridges and because shes not in the position to say everything.

Didn't anyone notice one of her responses to Mutt? Something to this effect "Mutt, I will one day repay you in a strictly business sense"

Theres alot of shit that people don't know. Nobody is in a position to make any kind of judgement.

eric @@@@@@@@@@@ adult.com

ok............. if Ashley wants to play that game Lexxi then the gloves will COME OFF! And both Aron Simpson and Mutt will start airing Ashley's personal dirty laundry ........... and believe me she does NOT want me to go there on GFY or anywhere else.

there's ONE fucking reason Ashley became uncomfortable working with ME .... because I was one person in her life who EXPECTED her to live by her fucking words and commitent and behave herself accordingly. She tried that bullshit in Winnipeg saying Mutt was trying to control her life, she doesn't like it when somebody is watching over her - doesnt like having a BOSS - HASNT WORKED A FUCKING DAY IN HER LIFE AND THAT IS A FUCKING EMBARASSMENT TO HER AND HER MOTHER - yes i was trying to control her life - trying to control her life for 6 hours of honest fucking work a day! Hell I'd have settled for 4 hours - 2 hours.

And I was right there for the Aron stuff and that will come later.

Young patawon clouded by the darkside are we.. unless you have been thru the same experience being in the biz you will never understand. Listent to the OG's

The thing is with all these comments you have mentioned is that the yare ambiguous.

ie "Mutt, I will one day repay you in a strictly business sense" could also be interpreted as .... Ashley not wanting people to think there is any substance in what people are speculating here ie that Mutt had a hard on for Ashley which is why he helped her (i'm not saying he did).

"Ashley was starting to feel uncomfortable" could be seen as she was getting tired of being hassled to do this or that for her website...

I'm not saying you're wrong and i'm right - just agreeing that no one really knows what transpired between Mutt and Ashley. Basically we are all just shooting shit at the guessing game.

Whatever did occur - i'm hoping that for both parties everything gets sorted and the site doesn't go down the toilet.

quick way to kill a program... you think your affiliates will be back after this? i doubt it.

bingo. this is a girl who doesn't like being told to do anything.

there's a quote 'to those to whom much is given much is to be expected' - and my expectations were modest - less than I would expect from any other 22 year old adult. Stop making this excuse for her that she is young - there are 100,000 troops over in the shitholes of Iraq and Afghanistan who are younger than her. I treated her as an equal - which is why when people found out I was helping out a nude model and yelled at me to stop it or i'd wind up frustrated and angry I told them I was aware of that risk but I'm treating that girl as she presents herself to me with no preconceived notions.

Better call God, Johnny's dead. :helpme

no - there are people who know EXACTLY what transpired between me and Ashley - one of them posted in this thread - John Emslie - who spent 15 days with her, 7 miserable days of that with her in his home - for the entire time I dealt with Ashley he was my sounding board. John knows EVERYTHING. And there's one other person in this industry who pretty much knows everything.

That's how we do it and now we see why it's the BEST way to do it :thumbsup

I must have ESP

"I predict there will be many many failed solo girl sites this year, "

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...02&postcount=9