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there is no reason for a thread like this to be so long.

1. reputable guy with great reputation tries to help girl.
2. girl flakes out and think she is a star and knows what's best like all of them do.

it was both predictable and innevitable

:2 cents:

not really sure what's going on, but this thread is flying so I'm going to get a line in, go habs go!!

Gotta get in here somewhere I suppose.

i knew i shouldve posted when this thread was new.

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this is pretty funny when you read it all.
my questions would be
*why do you even care if she wants to do it on her own, your not getting anything out of it anyways
*you were the one person in her life who expected" your not her dad, her BF or anything else, you were only helping her, so why feel like you are part of your life.
*why did you use the word "boss" why did you try to get her to do anything. You were not her boss, you said you were simply trying to help her.
*who cares if she has not worked a day in her life, whats it to you?
*why are you so pissed over this, you were only helping her, you were not getting anything, you did not want anything.
*why would you have settled for 4 hours, you got nothing from it anyways.

hahahahaha....oh Roger V...you funny man....love that. "you can't save a Ho or turn a Ho into a housewife "

because when you work you ass off for somebody, you have no clue how much was done on this project in terms of time and money, remember this is a girl who continually asks when her site can be launched - before I began to do any of this because models have such bad reputations on three occassions I asked her explicity if she would commit to the 6 hours a day of WORK 5 days a week a real webmaster would and which she said she wanted to be - I didn't give this girl a GIFT or a TOY - it didn't come without any strings - as somebody said in this thread NOTHING IS FOR FREE in this life - when you TAKE there are always expectations. And mine were clear. And once this thing was launched and people knew I was involved - my reputation also goes on the line. the majority of people in this industry thought I was a partner in it.

I have a server admin.

Mike69, my partner/bf... the brain in da house!
But thanks hun, nice marketing!!!
:thumbsup
~LL

Fucking ungratefull twat, you are fucking clueless.

I have dealt with models just like you before and never will again. You and your delusional half-assed opinions on how things should work. You'll soon be learning a hard lesson on how life really works- don't fuck over people who help you- they won't be there later when you need them.

once again: lets end the 'Mutt has a hard-on for Ashley talk'. Mutts problem with Ashley is that he wanted her to work hard. He bust his ass getting the site to be a success. He wanted to see her put in some of the long hours he had. In effect he wanted her to see what a demanding job being a webmaster can be. A certain amount of reputation and pride was put on the line.

and I predict there will be many new ones launched this year :)

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Congrats to Ashley for wanting to step up and control her program. I wish her the best of luck.

So Ashley, How did you like your first day running your own business? In your first day alone you managed to stir up quite the fire.

• Your first matter was to switch to nats, in turn destroying the network of ccbill links to your site.
• Second was to email the thousands of webmaster affiliates (the most important people to your business) and telling them to quit sending you traffic.
• You then change your mind about everything hours later. Sending out an email to confirm to all your affiliates you have no idea what you are doing, cannot make a decision, and are willing to break the law.
• And to top it off you get one of the fastest growing gfy hate threads ever, all in your honor.

You defiantly managed to hit rock bottom within the first day. But hey, look on the bright side...... The only place you can go from here is up!!!

Congrats on your new business venture. :thumbsup

LexiLexxx:

Stop talking FOR ashley... does she have down syndrome? can she not come in here and defend herself? The concerns are coming from HER AFFILIATES and if she can't handle dealing with them, then maybe she should leave the business...

The impression i am getting is that she wants everything done FOR HER... i.e. mutt doing all the work for her site, and now not even having the courtesy to come in here and talk to her affiliates herself?? There are things she needs to address herself, not through you.

The more i read this thread, the more i dislike ashley for the sole reason of lack of work ethic. The fact that you are speaking on HER BEHALF is also annoying because she wants to run her own affiliate program but when problems arise she wants to hide behind other people??? Shes got a lot of growing up to do.

Read the entire thread please, her choice to switch to NATS has absolutely nothing to do with her ccbill affiliates links not being valid anymore or anything of the sort.

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Yes, I read the whole thread. Her original plans to switch to nats did not also have plans to keep the old ccbill links working.

Why is it every time someone mentions nats you come in like they're bashing it? I have mad respect for nats and will be using it on some upcoming projects. Not trying to bad talk the program at all.

No, didn't mean it that way :)

"Your first matter was to switch to nats, in turn destroying the network of ccbill links to your site.", the way you said it sounded like you think NATS was the reason she had to kill the ccbill threads which is also how it was stated somewhat in the start of the thread and corrected later. I was just making sure you were aware that wasn't the case as it would be quite bad if programs owners and affiliates thought that :(

I'm glad you like the program and plan on using it. Any questions you have please let me know.

edit: also not coming in like they're bashing it. People always seem to take everything on GFY as angry/drama/bashing/etc. I was just making sure you understood/saw the explination that it was her misunderstanding not a lack of possibility.

am i too late for a sig spot?

yeap too late

I think he means the decision to switch to Nats is what is causing much of the problem for her and for her affiliates, not Nats itself.

Nats = good
Decision = bad


Ashley/Nikki -- I know hindsight is 20/20... but you really should have left things as they were, and quietly worked on your own site and new content behind the scenes. Then, when everything was ready to go live you could have switched over to the new system and simply asked all your affiliates to change out their existing linking codes to the new ones. That is far less work for webmasters than having to take down hundreds or in some cases thousands of links.

There was really no need to jump the gun and have all this drama. It seriously does appear as though you've shot yourself in the foot big time with your recent decisions.

Best of luck with the salvage operation. :D

2pac in da house

:bowdown

SMRTMOVE

After a night of sleep (and most of this morning and afternoon) I have a different take on this situation.

- Mutt offers a hand

- Ashley accepts

- Mutt sees what he thinks is a good girl, who just needs a little guidance and could become big in this industry.

- It wouldn't pay off immediately...but hey how could molding a piece of coal into a diamond hurt. It could pay off long term. "I'm that guy who built that site"...that never hurts.

- Ashley is excited ready to go.

- Mutt does all the grunt work.

- Ashley cheeses it up in front of the camera..."this is exciting"

- Mutt and Ashley sit back and watch the site enjoy some success

- Mutt thinks "OK I've gotten you this far, I've given so much, here take this and learn a little, you gotta do something...can't just collect money and claim you run a site"

- All Mutt wants to see is some sort of hint that Ashley wants to work for what she has gotten, it bugs him how spoiled and lazy this girl is.

- Ashley gets lazy, "I can do what he does, I don't need him, he tells me what to do"

- Mutt bails on her


The Lesson here is Be Grateful Ashley
This man busted his ass for you for months and you fuck him over in the end.

Ok....So I have too much time on my hands. But I've only been up for about 7 hours, all my shit is done and there ain't shit on TV.

The good thing is that she saved a lot of money on her car insurance. :thumbsup :thumbsup

The most pathetic part of this entire mess is that I just spent that last 20 minutes of my life reading this fucking drama.

This rationale makes definately makes the most sense. Good analysis. :thumbsup

BTW, not knowing either of the parties involved, just the situation, odds makers in Vegas would heavily favor Mutt being in the right in all this.

can't wait for the ashley brookes followup "where does traffic come from" thread next week.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Mutt offers a hand come ? come on . The man spent 13 months and who knows how much money on her.


So mutt wants nothing in return but spent all this time and money. Please tell
me why a person would do so much for a girl and not want nothing in return?

So ashley decides to go her own way now and he is pissed? wtf so she is suppose to stay with him because he did all this ? Maybe this is a bad move or maybe not. But for you guys /girls to jump all over this chick for moving on is complete bullshit. She had no contract with him and she is not obligated to him in anyway.

Mutt how much time and money did you spend on ashley? Lets cut out all the bullshit was it 5k 10 k? Why you coming on her tryin to ruin her business wise? Because she left you?

Come on mutt we know there is more to the story. You can use your popularity to bullslhit the others but the rest of us see right thru it.

does mutt have the license on the content?

id be interested in it. and would pay handsomely

I think Mutt has been around long enough to know better and Ashley has not been around long enough to know worse.

For better or worse, I hope they both find profit in the experience and move on.

you will never understand cause your a anon looking in.. for those of us in the industry for years making a living we understand exactly what went down.

this is where experience helps understand. once you get your ears wet you will one day.

well then please help me and tell me why would someone go thru all this money, time and trouble for nothing in return? Why was there no contract? I just can grasp that concept sorry. Have you done this before Roger?

Is this a standard of way of doing biz now these days? Not tryin to be a dick Roger but the man done built her up and now she went her own way he is tryin to knock her down. Thats the way it looks to me.

You right you been around the block you know your shit with marketing and every thing else but whats palyin out here on gfy dont make sense.


This has been a very interesting thread. Leaves a very sour taste in my mouth for the whole solo girl site thing.


Mutt if everything you say is true hey man learn form the lesson. You made a very bad biz move with doing this. Ashley time to step up to the plate because your ass depends on it now.

get this through your head - i would have been HAPPY to make money with Ashley - I could NOT because she was under a contract to another company and the reason I have credibility in this industry is because nobody who has ever dealt with me has ever been shafted by me or have I failed to deliver what I told them I would. So becoming Ashley's partner wasn't in the cards - I don't steal models. So she was offered ........... help .......... and that help would NEVER have amounted to what it turned out to be if Ashley had any work ethic or sincerity in her original agreement with me. The amount of time, money and stress building Ashley's empire is a direct result of Ashley's failure to do anything much on her own. And i begged, motivated and cajoled - Ashley does what Ashley wants - when it suits her. I had NO options - well yes i did - I could dump her ass as people told me to or I could continue on and hope she saw the light - what I did was decide to continue on BUT with fair stern warnings that if the light never went on for her - then I would call her bluff one day.

As for the money - Ashley does NOT want me to go there ever . Stop obsessing about money that was spent - the only time I ever threw money in Ashley's face was because I realized she understood the concept of money but couldn't understand the concept of work, so to get her ass in gear I attempted to shame her into working, pathetic as that sounds that I would have to do that - work is much more important than money - and she was told that - i thought she would grasp things eventually - didn't happen.

People in this industry these days work hard to make shitty livings, decent livings and great livings - she wanted to be the REAL DEAL - the owner and webmaster of AshleyBrookes.com - she wasn't willing to pay the price. End of story.

Whoa.... I pieced out one thing you said... and it's above. That also bothers me... people are throwing content disputes, not making money, this and that when "under contract with another company"? WTF? Over.... :warning

Yes I have.. you do things to help others I have done it with guys and girls its not about the pussy. most of the time Its in writing but sometimes its from the heart..

I am a shark with a heart. I love to see people succeed in hopes its returned someday kinda like a pay it forward system

I still catch myself trying to help people

I don't know why you are all blaming it on 'models'. Most webmasters do the same thing. They will stab anyone in the back to get ahead, and they'll fuck over partners or people who helped the along the way in order to get more $. People in this industry are scummy for the most part and you have to be careful who you really hook up with and help. I for one never help anyone who I believe wouldn't help me if the situation where reversed.

its called "experience"

Well damnit help me succeed :1orglaugh

But all kidding aside i never ment any webmaster that dont want something in return. I wont by traffic,designs or use programmers because i have burnt so many time. I call in favors to people who i have helped in the past and they say sorry i cant help you.

Maybe thats why i am have haveing a hard time grasping this.....

Holy shit....I've sat here for over 2 hours reading this. My opinion, there have been mistakes made by both parties involved. I truly hope that those parties can either get those mistakes resolved, or at least agree to disagree and move on. Good luck to everyone!

I agree with this post 100%

LL I understand your desire to stick up for Ashley's side in all this but honestly her sending out that first email was rash & impulsive. Her later on changing her mind & sending out a 2nd email, really didn't do much for her overall picture, it showed the 1st email as rash & impulsive even more than the 1st email had done by itself. It showed her in a light that she is incapable of making one decision & sticking to it. Furthermore this thread itself is proof of exactly what Mutt is saying his problem was with her.

I don't want to ask Mutt "Where's Ashley?"
I don't want to ask you "Where's Ashley?"
Frankly, if she's representing a business she's planning on running, nobody should even be having to ask, "Where's Ashley?" She should be here, dealing with the mess she has created & doing something HERSELF to fix it.

Throw on top of that the snotty way she posted to Mutt earlier in the thread about how she wanted to work out a way to repay him, and her attitude is pure shit imo. She doesn't need to go making posts like that to "show her willingness to repay him" when he's stated numerous times that he just wanted to see her put in a little effort. Maybe its time she stopped hiding, and did just that.

This is still going?

It sure is and much better than a daytime soap opera. I want to get Mutt a big basin so he can just wash his hands of this mess. Ashley could come back here and clear up the entire issue with about 40 words. :1orglaugh