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woj · 11-05-2005, 03:01 PM

50.........,

Kevsh · 11-05-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I'm sorry she was too stupid to have medical insurance.

That's an ignorant and stupid comment to make - esp. from a fellow Canadian who enjoys government-sponsored health benefits.

I have no idea what circumstances led to her not having insurance, but I would not be making an insulting comment toward someone in her situation right now.

Perhaps you could have said:
I'm sorry she got hurt.
I'm sorry she didn't have medical insurance.
...

Oh, and yes, starting a new thread to make your point is a bit arrogant too ...

Lee · 11-05-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

I'm going to have to agree with Sleazy on this one. I think it's asinine coming to GFY asking for donations because a model got hurt due to someone's lack of thinking. Horses get spooked easily and someone should have done research before putting her onto a horse (probably one that they didn't even know well enough to ride/mount) and shooting pictures of her.

A) The horse got spooked probably because of the flash or the noise of all of the people around. Research should have been done before shooting her on a horse. They were irresponsible in this and probably just thought, "Oh, horses are so calm and nice...this shouldn't be a problem." Wrong.

B) Didn't have liability insurance to cover her in case she did get hurt. This is also due to a lack of research and knowledge.

This offends me because I do feel bad for Nikki and sympathize with her but this is like me asking to help pay the medical bills of one of my employees because they fell down the stairs in my office. If people want to send money then that's on them but I don't think a thread should have ever been started asking for donations.

Lawyers are circling the waters on this one as we speak.

That saves me writing out my thoughts.

Jman · 11-05-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

I'm going to have to agree with Sleazy on this one. I think it's asinine coming to GFY asking for donations because a model got hurt due to someone's lack of thinking. Horses get spooked easily and someone should have done research before putting her onto a horse (probably one that they didn't even know well enough to ride/mount) and shooting pictures of her.

A) The horse got spooked probably because of the flash or the noise of all of the people around. Research should have been done before shooting her on a horse. They were irresponsible in this and probably just thought, "Oh, horses are so calm and nice...this shouldn't be a problem." Wrong.

B) Didn't have liability insurance to cover her in case she did get hurt. This is also due to a lack of research and knowledge.

This offends me because I do feel bad for Nikki and sympathize with her but this is like me asking to help pay the medical bills of one of my employees because they fell down the stairs in my office. If people want to send money then that's on them but I don't think a thread should have ever been started asking for donations.

Lawyers are circling the waters on this one as we speak.

Agreed 100%

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 11-05-2005, 03:35 PM

throwing my asshole comments in..

even though I feel for her tremendously, having a parent who has suffered severe head injuries...before asking for $$ ..ask yourself this question.

Would Nikki help any one of us with a cash donation if we were seriously injured?

Her friends know the answer..therefore they should not be offended that complete strangers are questioning motives here.
I have had quite a few friends in the hospital with traumatic injuries.. payment was never brought up..except with the parents if the person is unable to make the decision themselves...there is financial aid out there for those that take the time to use it.

potter · 11-05-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

to be honest I find it insulting that people come here for donations before letting us know about the incident.

there is a chain of events to follow, first would be inform the people who matter in your life. - then you deal with money.

in this case it was - gimi the money - someone's hurt. WRONG ORDER - and it let everyone here on GFY know just what we mean to these people.

I'm sorry she got hurt.
I'm sorry she was too stupid to have medical insurance.
I'm sorry to know now just what we all mean to these people.

Aw crap...

I just agree'd with something Sleazy said.

SleazyDream · 11-05-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

It isn't because of what I think, you idiot. Nor is it about you, and about the "PILES of people" you supported.

This would be a good time for you to just shut your bloated ego the fuck up for once, and quietly step back. Making drama out of this is a disgustingly egocentric thing to do. Someone is seriously injured right now, and may even die or be handicapped for life.
That should be a big fucking clue for you that this is serious, and not a good moment to go attention whoring.

people get hurt every day - goto any hospital - it's sad and horrible but it doesn't mean I loose my ability to rationalize and think

unlike you

SleazyDream · 11-05-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

That's an ignorant and stupid comment to make - esp. from a fellow Canadian who enjoys government-sponsored health benefits.

I have no idea what circumstances led to her not having insurance, but I would not be making an insulting comment toward someone in her situation right now.

Perhaps you could have said:
I'm sorry she got hurt.
I'm sorry she didn't have medical insurance.
...

Oh, and yes, starting a new thread to make your point is a bit arrogant too ...

more like i'm sorry she's stupid

SleazyDream · 11-05-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday

throwing my asshole comments in..

even though I feel for her tremendously, having a parent who has suffered severe head injuries...before asking for $$ ..ask yourself this question.

Would Nikki help any one of us with a cash donation if we were seriously injured?

Her friends know the answer..therefore they should not be offended that complete strangers are questioning motives here.
I have had quite a few friends in the hospital with traumatic injuries.. payment was never brought up..except with the parents if the person is unable to make the decision themselves...there is financial aid out there for those that take the time to use it.

good question - since she doesn't come here i doubt it

Kevsh · 11-05-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

more like i'm sorry she's stupid

Again, do you have any idea why she's not covered? And even if she simply didn't want to, didn't bother to or any other excuse why on earth call the woman "stupid".

Apparently she is in very bad shape right now so at the very least people can be respectful by not insulting her.

From what I can tell, she didn't ask anyone to post here on her behalf. And the poor girl's getting flamed and insulted and obviously, in no position to defend herself.

All I was saying was, perhaps be a little less judgemental in your criticism. Or, at least stick to criticizing the manner in which the request for help had been handled and just leave insulting her personally out of it?

SleazyDream · 11-05-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

Again, do you have any idea why she's not covered? And even if she simply didn't want to, didn't bother to or any other excuse why on earth call the woman "stupid".

Apparently she is in very bad shape right now so at the very least people can be respectful by not insulting her.

From what I can tell, she didn't ask anyone to post here on her behalf. And the poor girl's getting flamed and insulted and obviously, in no position to defend herself.

All I was saying was, perhaps be a little less judgemental in your criticism. Or, at least stick to criticizing the manner in which the request for help had been handled and just leave insulting her personally out of it?

no medical insurance = stupid

sick or not

Juicy D. Links · 11-05-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

no medical insurance = stupid

sick or not

that i agree on , in US our system is fucked. I am paying close 400/month for mine.

lopez · 11-05-2005, 04:54 PM

i keep being amazed how poor ppl u think are loaded really are...

Libertine · 11-05-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

people get hurt every day - goto any hospital - it's sad and horrible but it doesn't mean I loose my ability to rationalize and think

unlike you

I generally think with my head, not my mouth (or in this case, fingers).

There's a reason the saying is "Think BEFORE you speak"

SleazyDream · 11-05-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

I generally think with my head, not my mouth (or in this case, fingers).

There's a reason the saying is "Think BEFORE you speak"

think before you beg

Huggles · 11-05-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

flame me all you want.

people get hurt every day. fact of life. I'm sorry it happens but responsible people have insurance.

the proper thread should have been something like 'this happened - please send your prayers"

they would have got probally 10X the donations.

I feel like a mark in this case, not someone who should be concerned about someone in the industry

Fxck, sleazy is right.

Doctor Dre · 11-05-2005, 05:58 PM

I would tend to agree with this post ... get your shit straight or pay the prices. It's not anybody elses if she could not afford the 1/4 of a shoot worth monthly for insurance.

subVERSION · 11-05-2005, 06:31 PM

It's kind of interesting.
I can see both side of the story and each has their own validity.

But ask yourselves this: Who is she to you ?

Once you figure that out. Then each has their rightful position.
But the fact still remains.. There's a person in the industry who's pretty close to death.

So obviously it's going to effect different people in different ways on many different levels.

So how is Sleazy wrong for voicing his opinion on a tragic accident that could easily be labeled as negligence(not saying that it is..just going of apparent info).

Then again, would we defend and donate if the scenario involved her in a speeding car hitting something resulting in the same position without insurance ?

Rinaldo · 11-05-2005, 07:01 PM

Scott sit this one out... it's not going to change anything at this point bud.

Expo_Vids · 11-05-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

tough crowd today....
epass sent

Class act

tony286 · 11-05-2005, 07:07 PM

when shooting with animals isnt there usually a handler there ?

slapass · 11-05-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

are you saying i should change a deal if I don't make money on a model and take money back from them?

my point was probably poorly stated. If I had made bank on her and some extra floating around. why not help if it meets your image of yourself? She was cautious or correctly insured. Yep, and there would not have been an ask for charity if she did not have a problem. Some people like the idea of "taking care of their own". I am one of those people. I think it creates a positive image for our industry.

slapass · 11-05-2005, 08:27 PM

"she was NOT cautious or correctly insured." fuck I am slow tonight.

mikesouth · 11-05-2005, 08:41 PM

Tony404 gets it.

Two things strike me here one is if I got crippled tomorrow would anyone give a fuck...no because I dont have tits

Second It is not incumbent on anyone to donate or even to feel as though they should, I'm sure Nikki is a nice person, I'm sure I don't wish anyone here any harm but that's just life, we get hurt, we die, yada yada...shit happens If you wanna donate do so, if not don't.

Personally I have better uses for my money...but it IS my choice...hell some people donate to PETA, when there are people, Americans even that need it more...but it's their choice cuz it's their money
OK nuff said

Wiggles · 11-05-2005, 10:51 PM

phew thats exactly what i thought but everyone was so gung ho on donating and giving sympathies that i just didn't bother reply, glad others think as i do.

pocketkangaroo · 11-05-2005, 11:35 PM

I feel bad for what happened to her and sincerely hope she gets better soon. I think it is silly to blame someone for getting on a horse as it is something people do every day.

However, I don't think anyone is wrong for questioning about asking for money. A lot of people don't really know her and many people also have never spoken to her. If I was in need of money, I doubt she'd have donated to me. I'm not trying to be mean, but I think it could have been approached a different way. I'm certain she doesn't need the money right this instance. An update on her condition, letting the board know, etc would have been a nice touch before asking for money. You will also get shit from people because she probably makes more than 95% of this board.

Joe Citizen · 11-06-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday

Would Nikki help any one of us with a cash donation if we were seriously injured?

Bingo! Of course she wouldn't, she can't even afford fucking health insurance.

Both Nikki and those taking the photos were negligent. She was negligent not to be concerned about her own health care and they were negligent by not taking her safety into account when putting her on a horse.

Personally, I think it's in bad taste to come to GFY begging for money for someone who can't even take responsibility for themselves.

grumpy · 11-06-2005, 12:17 AM

Sleazy, for the first time i agree with you for 100%. I will be milder with you in the future.

Dopy · 11-06-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

Sleazy, for the first time i agree with you for 100%. I will be milder with you in the future.

I agree with him too.

Quote

Yesterday we were on a location shooting and Nikki was involved in a serious accident. She was on a horse and the horse got spooked. Nikki fell off the back of the horse and then the horse fell back on her head.

Unquote

Don?t people or companies shooting content have liability insurance there? Or do you just take the risk and hope accidents won't happen.

whitey · 11-06-2005, 01:05 AM

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I'm sorry she was too stupid to have medical insurance.

I am also sorry that I did not carry workman's comp, so please help me out of my mess.

emthree · 11-06-2005, 01:39 AM

You all have points. But I have to agree, dont knock on niki because of her ex.
I wish her the best of luck and speedy recovery.

pocketkangaroo · 11-06-2005, 01:58 AM

I guess my issue was why do they need money right this instance. Hospitals bill usually and I think the last thing on my mind would be collecting money.

Evil Doer · 11-06-2005, 02:22 AM

I completely agree with Sleazy for once

JFK · 11-06-2005, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Expo_Vids

Class act

the Shemp sure is

bashbug · 11-06-2005, 05:17 AM

burger boy speaks. blah blah blah, no one is listening.

Gawdy · 11-06-2005, 05:42 AM

There are two different issues here Sleazy. You are critisizing her for not having health insurance and critisizing the way its been handeled by King Adam.

It is Nikki Novas fault she didnt have health insurance (thank god I live in a country where health insuarance is free)

Even though I agree with what your saying about how its been handeled. Its not her fault how its been handeled by King Adam. Lets not hold that against her

Peaches · 11-06-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I enjoy surfing. I enjoy going out and photographing surfers. Occasionally, I feel the need to go out and surf in double-overhead surf. I could drown, that is the roll of the dice. If I did, would I go down as an "irresponsible risk-taker that got what he deserved;" or would you just send your condolonces?

Well, I woudn't send you any money if you died

I'd send condolences to your family and know you went out doing what you enjoyed doing

Cory W · 11-06-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Well, I woudn't send you any money if you died

I'd send condolences to your family and know you went out doing what you enjoyed doing

I am not talking about money.

I am not sure why this is so tough to understand. The donation is your choice. Her having health insurance is her choice.

Posting debate threads about either issue while she is in a coma and her loved ones are traumatized is inappropriate, in my opinion.

The point to what I said had nothing to do with donating money, if I died, would you post with condolences? Or would you post debating my decision?

sherie · 11-06-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

Sleazy,

Damm you can be an asshole

But remember you all in Canada get health insurance.. Of course I guess that's a whole different subject and thread.

Never kick ppl when there down or trying to help someone... Adam's been around for yrs, I don't doubt a word he says.

This is not true. We pay for health insurance. I'm not sure how it works in other Provinces, I do know that in B.C and in Ontario, we have to pay either monthly or a lump sum at the end of the year. And that is just for basic health coverage. It's Universal Health Coverage, but it's not free.

lopez · 11-06-2005, 01:00 PM

nothing is free. not even health insurance. its paid by taxes.
countries where the tax money doesnt go to insurance, ppl simply have to take responsibility for that cost themselves.
that simple.

tony286 · 11-06-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I am not talking about money.

I am not sure why this is so tough to understand. The donation is your choice. Her having health insurance is her choice.

Posting debate threads about either issue while she is in a coma and her loved ones are traumatized is inappropriate, in my opinion.

The point to what I said had nothing to do with donating money, if I died, would you post with condolences? Or would you post debating my decision?

Inappropriate this is go fuck yourself your kidding right? lol Appropriate would of been posting thenews nikki got hurt keeping us posted of her condition and asking for our prayers. Then if people said great lets gather some money up for her. I think you wouldnt see all the debate but instead some guy who has posted on this board what 57 times . The main focus of the thread was give money and his second thread was another defending reasons to give money. Now I dont know him but to me it takes alittle nerve you never post on here and then your looking for donations.

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	Tony404 gets it. Two things strike me here one is if I got crippled tomorrow would anyone give a fuck...no because I dont have tits Second It is not incumbent on anyone to donate or even to feel as though they should, I'm sure Nikki is a nice person, I'm sure I don't wish anyone here any harm but that's just life, we get hurt, we die, yada yada...shit happens If you wanna donate do so, if not don't. Personally I have better uses for my money...but it IS my choice...hell some people donate to PETA, when there are people, Americans even that need it more...but it's their choice cuz it's their money OK nuff said __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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C_U_Next_Tuesday WW4L Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 10,581	throwing my asshole comments in.. even though I feel for her tremendously, having a parent who has suffered severe head injuries...before asking for $$ ..ask yourself this question. Would Nikki help any one of us with a cash donation if we were seriously injured? Her friends know the answer..therefore they should not be offended that complete strangers are questioning motives here. I have had quite a few friends in the hospital with traumatic injuries.. payment was never brought up..except with the parents if the person is unable to make the decision themselves...there is financial aid out there for those that take the time to use it.

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lopez Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 299	i keep being amazed how poor ppl u think are loaded really are...

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	when shooting with animals isnt there usually a handler there ?

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,627	"she was NOT cautious or correctly insured." fuck I am slow tonight.

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I feel bad for what happened to her and sincerely hope she gets better soon. I think it is silly to blame someone for getting on a horse as it is something people do every day. However, I don't think anyone is wrong for questioning about asking for money. A lot of people don't really know her and many people also have never spoken to her. If I was in need of money, I doubt she'd have donated to me. I'm not trying to be mean, but I think it could have been approached a different way. I'm certain she doesn't need the money right this instance. An update on her condition, letting the board know, etc would have been a nice touch before asking for money. You will also get shit from people because she probably makes more than 95% of this board.

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11-06-2005, 01:58 AM	#82
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I guess my issue was why do they need money right this instance. Hospitals bill usually and I think the last thing on my mind would be collecting money.

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Gawdy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 397	There are two different issues here Sleazy. You are critisizing her for not having health insurance and critisizing the way its been handeled by King Adam. It is Nikki Novas fault she didnt have health insurance (thank god I live in a country where health insuarance is free) Even though I agree with what your saying about how its been handeled. Its not her fault how its been handeled by King Adam. Lets not hold that against her __________________ hello

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lopez Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 299	nothing is free. not even health insurance. its paid by taxes. countries where the tax money doesnt go to insurance, ppl simply have to take responsibility for that cost themselves. that simple.