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Paul Markham · 08-25-2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

It doesn't matter if you deliver those movies for 1 cent. If you have no model in place to recover that 1 cent and to make 1 more cent for profit, you have failed.

The same 500 movies you can buy for $3000 have already been ripped, encoded, compresses, and distributed 100 times over on the torrents. They are probably all over the 'tube sites as well, and they are being trades amoungst friends over and over again for free.

Thinking that you can VOD this stuff for even $1 is a nice idea, but the reality is as every day goes by, there are more and more people who know how to get porn off of a torrent, and less and less people wanting to pay for porn. The customer base for porn is basically people too stupid or too scared to download a torrent file or too ignorant to do a search on google and visit a tube site.

The more this goes on, the less need there is for everyone in the food chain. Affiliates drop off, programs die, demand for fresh content drops, and people like yourself are cut out of the game (except for sites you run yourself) and the return on those sites gets smaller.

Don't worry about it. Go ahead and dump all your content on the tubes and enjoy the signups you get. They won't last.

So what is the solution?

You come up with all the problems and offer nothing. Tell us the solution not the problems, them we know.

MaDalton · 08-25-2007, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Niktamer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz

For those who dont know who is the owner of megarotic /megaupload

he his already in probation for fraud , i really think you can take him down.

ahahahahahahahaha... Kimble is back

TTiger · 08-25-2007, 07:40 AM

this is a killer thread but as i am a tgp network owner and an affilliated its kinda scrarry to read this stuff

but im luicky enough to have a real world job so if the tgp buisness is next to fall apart my futur still secured ...

Paul Markham · 08-25-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

The affiliate system is getting squeezed, without any guidelines and without any loyalty from the programs that were built on affiliate efforts.

Here's the real problem. An affiliate who does not understand the basic rules of business. Unless you stay competetive with today and tomorrows market place you go out of business. The examples are so many anyone would see them. And I'm talking about staying legal.

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

I just don't want anyone reading this thread to think that all content providers have that opinion. I enjoy Paul's opinion, but unless what I am being told is wrong, most content providers aren't on the same page as him.

You don't know what page I'm on and illustrate it all the time. I hate theft of content and have fought it before you came to the Internet. And will continue to fight it. So let me tell you what page I'm on.

Will theft of content be with us for ever on the Net? No, there are too many industries losing too much money for it to continue. Record, film, computer programs, games, porn and more are all losing money. Governments will step in and bring in laws for the situation. We need to talking to governments and not so much to each other on boards.

Will we continue to sell a product in a way that suits us and not the customer? No because too many people have seen the benefits of meeting the consumers needs first.

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

ahahahahahahahaha... Kimble is back

We know Kimble owns it, but his name is not so affiliated with it, we're trying to track it to his name, we know for fact he does own it, but it's harder to tie his name to it on "paper"

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Here's the real problem. An affiliate who does not understand the basic rules of business. Unless you stay competetive with today and tomorrows market place you go out of business. The examples are so many anyone would see them. And I'm talking about staying legal.

You don't know what page I'm on and illustrate it all the time. I hate theft of content and have fought it before you came to the Internet. And will continue to fight it. So let me tell you what page I'm on.

Will theft of content be with us for ever on the Net? No, there are too many industries losing too much money for it to continue. Record, film, computer programs, games, porn and more are all losing money. Governments will step in and bring in laws for the situation. We need to talking to governments and not so much to each other on boards.

Will we continue to sell a product in a way that suits us and not the customer? No because too many people have seen the benefits of meeting the consumers needs first.

Paul you don't always need to point out you've done it longer then anyone else, I know for fact that Alex has been involved in this shit for well over 20 plus years.

And you were just posting a few week's ago that we need to adapt and work with the torrent sites, and find a way to make money.

Paul Markham · 08-25-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Also as a program owner who in the early days spent many many hours with many newbie affiliates working with them and helping them build their sales only to have them up and leave at the mere sniff of a better offer ... there is little loyalty in this industry.

Don't be silly he only talks about loyalty as a one way street. He would drop everything if he could make 10 cents more another way.

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When torrent and tube sites are giving away more than enough content to get the punters off, they aren't spending $30 and they aren't spending $1 either. You aren't choosing between "this and that" but "something or nothing".

And here in a nutshell is the real problem. So glad you see it Alex.

We are selling a product for $30 to meet a need others can give away for free. OK assume they buy the content, please assume it for a minute, the price would be 25 to 50 cents a scene. We need the surfer to pay $30 to keep Alex in business, while others supply the product at a price the buyer needs and cuts the ground from underneath us. Is this the loyalty you need Alex?

Maybe you should write out a list of how we should all operate so we know.

EdgeXXX · 08-25-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by VG.Content

We know Kimble owns it, but his name is not so affiliated with it, we're trying to track it to his name, we know for fact he does own it, but it's harder to tie his name to it on "paper"

VG, if that assclown is behind it I can help you tie him to it. Do we know of anything yet that links him to it?

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:16 AM

Also Paul these sites have nothing to do with the hard working affiliate nor does it have anything to do with the large affiliate programs squeezing more out of the surfer. If you want to go back to that same old discussion then please go to one of your threads and explain how you've reinvented the system with your magic join links, and offering full access for 5 dollars and everything else.

The sites profiting from torrents, tubes etc are dating and cams, it's not the people who shoot and sell porn. It's the people who want to profit off stolen free content and then upsell them to dating, or cams.

There is a simple solution, get off your fucking ass and do something about it take action and don't spend all day on 15 boards explaining how to reinvent the affiliate program, find out who is stealing and kick them in the fucking balls, how do you kick them in the balls online, you cut off how they make money. It's a very simple process.

I got sick of everyone crying on here, and no one doing a damn thing. I spent a week doing research on the tube site in question, then spoke with a lawyer, then spoke with local police, media, and the FBI, researched different laws in different areas that the site was affiliated with, worked a few angels with Alex, and a few others.

Then took the steps to cut off their money. The amount of BW they push they need to make money anywhere possible, cutting that off will hurt the profit margin and have them looking for a new way to profit.

It's really funny, but people who produce content are the laziest fucking bunch of pathetic assholes I have ever come across. I have found 4 tube based sites all within the top 450 on alexa, all covered in stolen content for dozens of various content producers. When I contacted the site, the host and the billing on these sites all of them had ZERO fucking ZERO complaints from content producers. That's some slack ass shit.

So now I said fuck it I am going to take these sites out, I've now contacted dozens of content producers and showed them their stuff was on that site, I even sent them the paper work they needed to fill out, all they needed to do was fill in the blanks, would take honestly 5 minutes, I even said I would do all the leg work for FREE, I just needed them to fill out a small piece of paper work and plug in a few lines of text, nothing more then that. Out of about 25 people who I requested this info from about 4 have actually gotten back to me. I really don't get why people do not take this serious. I guess most of them would rather bitch on GFY and other boards then actually do anything about it.

I can say it makes doing what I am doing a lot fucking harder. I could have 6-10 sites already shut down, but from the slack ass approach from content producers and content owners I must sit on my hands and wait. It's quite disheartening to say the least. I am doing this for FREE, not asking for anything, not wanting anything, taking time out of EVERY day, and people cannot find 5-10 minutes out of ONE day to send over a couple of lines of text. I find it funny to say the least.

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

VG, if that assclown is behind it I can help you tie him to it. Do we know of anything yet that links him to it?

Yeah, I've been waiting for a few week's for you to return some icq's

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Don't be silly he only talks about loyalty as a one way street. He would drop everything if he could make 10 cents more another way.

And here in a nutshell is the real problem. So glad you see it Alex.

We are selling a product for $30 to meet a need others can give away for free. OK assume they buy the content, please assume it for a minute, the price would be 25 to 50 cents a scene. We need the surfer to pay $30 to keep Alex in business, while others supply the product at a price the buyer needs and cuts the ground from underneath us. Is this the loyalty you need Alex?

Maybe you should write out a list of how we should all operate so we know.

Paul take it to another thread please, this is not about busting balls and how to run an affiliate program 101, it's about fighting the theft of content and the cam and dating sites that support them.

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

VG, if that assclown is behind it I can help you tie him to it. Do we know of anything yet that links him to it?

My icq is on 15 hours a day. I hope you do ICQ me and I can lay out what we know.

I along with Alex have put well over 15 hours each into research on this.

RawAlex · 08-25-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

If that is the case, then how do the tube sites remain in business? If the paid advertisements do not generate sales, then why do the same companies continue to purchase advertising?

Mattz, one of the things that tube sites do (and torrent sites) is that they run non-related sponsors to make money. Poker, dating, pills, and so on. They have to run these things to really make the money flow.

In many cases, these are pay per click ands and not pay per sale ads. PPC is a pretty fun model because in many cases, people massively overpay for the traffic they get. Depending on the system, they may not entirely disclose your traffic sources, or may mix the clicks in such a manner that the buyer cannot easily figure out which sites work and which don't.

As I mentioned, the typical PPC sponsor on these sites is selling air. Super low production costs, super low maintenance costs, they are in the position to be able to pay 99 cents out of every dollar to acquire new customers because they aren't selling anything. Only the pill guys actually ship anything real, and you know what the markup is on that stuff!

From what I have been told, the average tube site is lucky to be about a 10% profitable deal. That 10% can be a pretty big number because of volume, but paying out 50k a month in bandwidth to take home 5k only sounds good. Why do you think so many torrent sites were here bitching when fleshlight dropped them? Because at 10% gross profit, you don't have much space for errors or lost income.

polish_aristocrat · 08-25-2007, 08:21 AM

lots of 30-50 min videos of 'casting couch teens' from topbucks (?) on megarotic...

EdgeXXX · 08-25-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VG.Content

Yeah, I've been waiting for a few week's for you to return some icq's

Crap, sorry

. I don't have icq set to come on automatically at startup anymore so I always forget to turn the damn thing on manually. I'm at the lake right now (don't have icq on the laptop yet) but I'll make sure I turn it on and hit you up when I get back to the house later.

TTiger · 08-25-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VG.Content

Also Paul these sites have nothing to do with the hard working affiliate nor does it have anything to do with the large affiliate programs squeezing more out of the surfer. If you want to go back to that same old discussion then please go to one of your threads and explain how you've reinvented the system with your magic join links, and offering full access for 5 dollars and everything else.

The sites profiting from torrents, tubes etc are dating and cams, it's not the people who shoot and sell porn. It's the people who want to profit off stolen free content and then upsell them to dating, or cams.

There is a simple solution, get off your fucking ass and do something about it take action and don't spend all day on 15 boards explaining how to reinvent the affiliate program, find out who is stealing and kick them in the fucking balls, how do you kick them in the balls online, you cut off how they make money. It's a very simple process.

I got sick of everyone crying on here, and no one doing a damn thing. I spent a week doing research on the tube site in question, then spoke with a lawyer, then spoke with local police, media, and the FBI, researched different laws in different areas that the site was affiliated with, worked a few angels with Alex, and a few others.

Then took the steps to cut off their money. The amount of BW they push they need to make money anywhere possible, cutting that off will hurt the profit margin and have them looking for a new way to profit.

It's really funny, but people who produce content are the laziest fucking bunch of pathetic assholes I have ever come across. I have found 4 tube based sites all within the top 450 on alexa, all covered in stolen content for dozens of various content producers. When I contacted the site, the host and the billing on these sites all of them had ZERO fucking ZERO complaints from content producers. That's some slack ass shit.

So now I said fuck it I am going to take these sites out, I've now contacted dozens of content producers and showed them their stuff was on that site, I even sent them the paper work they needed to fill out, all they needed to do was fill in the blanks, would take honestly 5 minutes, I even said I would do all the leg work for FREE, I just needed them to fill out a small piece of paper work and plug in a few lines of text, nothing more then that. Out of about 25 people who I requested this info from about 4 have actually gotten back to me. I really don't get why people do not take this serious. I guess most of them would rather bitch on GFY and other boards then actually do anything about it.

I can say it makes doing what I am doing a lot fucking harder. I could have 6-10 sites already shut down, but from the slack ass approach from content producers and content owners I must sit on my hands and wait. It's quite disheartening to say the least. I am doing this for FREE, not asking for anything, not wanting anything, taking time out of EVERY day, and people cannot find 5-10 minutes out of ONE day to send over a couple of lines of text. I find it funny to say the least.

a guy with a 300k$ home and a hummer or lambo or both in his parking dont care about these tube site and dont't care about you and your mission...
unfortunatly

polish_aristocrat · 08-25-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TTiger

a guy with a 300k$ home and a hummer or lambo or both in his parking dont care about these tube site and dont't care about you and your mission...

OT: $300k home and a lambo?

are there still some parts of the world where a $300k home is cosidered expensive?

even in Poland a slightly above average 3 bedroom apartment

costs $300k

stev0 · 08-25-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

This is proof to those that are negative in mindset that nothing we are doing will affect anything. This is proof along with many other things you've seen go down lately that people are spreading the word through those communities that people are coming after them. It's only going to get bigger. Things ARE making a difference. Great job VG. Although everyone can't be told right away what people are doing to slow this stuff down, this is proof. Great job. I know you've worked hard on this.

The key to getting hosts/billing/whatever shut down is volume of emails... they have an acceptable volume of complaints that they allow and if it exceeds that they take action. I used to have a server with a big (probably the biggest) mainstream host out there and this was their policy anyways.

If you were to start a private forum (anti piracy organization) and posted infringing sites and email addresses for hosting/billing a large number of us could write complaint emails and that would actually get something done.

RawAlex · 08-25-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And here in a nutshell is the real problem. So glad you see it Alex.

We are selling a product for $30 to meet a need others can give away for free. OK assume they buy the content, please assume it for a minute, the price would be 25 to 50 cents a scene. We need the surfer to pay $30 to keep Alex in business, while others supply the product at a price the buyer needs and cuts the ground from underneath us. Is this the loyalty you need Alex?

Paul, one of the weird things about any business that is dependant on advertising to make it's business model go is that advertising costs money. The cost of a magazine ad, an advert in the local paper, on TV, or on radio is a key component for any business that depends on getting the word out and getting people to their doors in that manner. From hollywood movies to the local bar with a good band playing this weekend, everyone pays money to promote their product.

Smart business people make sure that their business model includes enough money to pay for advertising. If they don't nobody will know they exist, and all the great prices and great entertainment would fail. They know there are hundreds or thousands of similar choices out there, and they can get ahead with widespread public exposure.

Porn on the internet is exactly the same thing. Without marketing, most people don't know where to find what they are looking for. The spread of tube and torrent sites is because of word of mouth advertising, and now for the torrents some pretty amazing SERPs in Google which is sucking off a ton of traffic from normal sites.

Cut the price of porn down to $1 per viewing, and you won't have the budget to get enough people in the front door to make it worth doing. Just go have a look at Google ad words and figure out how much porn keywords are worth. Then figure your conversions and let me know how profitable your business would be.

I don't care if I am paid $25 a sale for 100 sales or $10 for 250 sales from a given sponsor, because as long as it requires the same amount of traffic to do it. Cut my payout per sale in half but make conversions twice as good, and I don't care. It is a bottom line business.

If the programs can't pay, then perhaps all my sites will become havens for pay per click stuff...

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0

The key to getting hosts/billing/whatever shut down is volume of emails... they have an acceptable volume of complaints that they allow and if it exceeds that they take action. I used to have a server with a big (probably the biggest) mainstream host out there and this was their policy anyways, considering they resell to a huge number of smaller hosts out there i'm sure it applies to them as well.

If you were to start a private forum (anti piracy organization) and posted infringing sites and email addresses for hosting/billing a large number of us could write complaint emails and that would actually get something done.

It's very simple, but getting website owners to take the 5 mins to do that is like trying to get a nun to give you a BJ

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TTiger

a guy with a 300k$ home and a hummer or lambo or both in his parking dont care about these tube site and dont't care about you and your mission...
unfortunatly

Actually the people who have the money and are doing SERIOUS joins a day are on it like flies on shit. They have what I need in a matter of moments.

It's the medium to mid level to "we appear huge" programs that are slack as all hell.

Any large program I've hit up I've had the info in my mail box in a matter of minutes. So there goes your theory.

stev0 · 08-25-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by VG.Content

It's very simple, but getting website owners to take the 5 mins to do that is like trying to get a nun to give you a BJ

Crazy, thats pretty surprising considering they're the ones that it's hurting the most...

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0

Crazy, thats pretty surprising considering they're the ones that it's hurting the most...

Yeah it's pretty amazing when you go hi here is the paper work, please fill out these 5 lines of text, I'll do the rest, submit it, put the links in place and put some real damage to the site.

Most of the time I never get it back, lol...

s9ann0 · 08-25-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0

The key to getting hosts/billing/whatever shut down is volume of emails...

I think these are the two main frontend hosts for megarotic:

http://www.carpathiahost.com/
http://www.alphared.com/

but the bandwidth for video is from: http://www.fiberring.com/

I think maybe these are the people providing the streaming technology:
http://www.jet-stream.nl/ thru http://www.leaseweb.com/ selling http://www.fiberring.com/.

I don't see any mention of adult stuff on http://www.jet-stream.nl/ its a very corporate mainstream friendly site. If they are involved maybe enough noise about illegal porn content on megaupload could get the plug pulled.

»Rob Content« · 08-25-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by s9ann0

I think these are the two main frontend hosts for megarotic:

http://www.carpathiahost.com/
http://www.alphared.com/

but the bandwidth for video is from: http://www.fiberring.com/

I think maybe these are the people providing the streaming technology:
http://www.jet-stream.nl/ thru http://www.leaseweb.com/ selling http://www.fiberring.com/.

I don't see any mention of adult stuff on http://www.jet-stream.nl/ its a very corporate mainstream friendly site. If they are involved maybe enough noise about illegal porn content on megaupload could get the plug pulled.

I've spoke numerous times with carpathia hosting. They are a bunch of ass backwords rednecks.

s9ann0 · 08-25-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by VG.Content

I've spoke numerous times with carpathia hosting. They are a bunch of ass backwords rednecks.

Well they don't realy matter so much its more where the videos are coming from
and thats the NL IP's

I think its http://www.jet-stream.nl/ technology / bandwidth for the player and this appears to be owned by http://www.alphatron.nl/

I couldn't find much about them but I guess they would be illegal porn unfriendly:
https://solutionfinder.microsoft.com...41709b1989aec0

s9ann0 · 08-25-2007, 09:01 AM

Need to find out for sure whos supplying what bandwidth then everyone go and find their illegal content on their and send abuse complaints and phone up every hosting company involved and give them some shit.

SuzzyQ · 08-25-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chupacabra

oh gods, not you again.

I agree.

baddog · 08-25-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Jace, there is no way that anyone can sanely support 3 minutes plus "clips" as promotional material.

Back in the day when MGP's first came out we experimented with short 10-30 second clips, then 1 minute, then 2-3 minutes.

We found the longer clips actually converted better.

baddog · 08-25-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

OT: $300k home and a lambo?

are there still some parts of the world where a $300k home is cosidered expensive?

I was wondering about that myself

_Lush_ · 08-25-2007, 12:41 PM

o shit I hope this doesnt affect the traffic I have going to my typos I have of that site megerotic.com and megarotik.com im making some nice ppc rinse daily off those.

maybe would be a good time to sell them

polish_aristocrat · 08-27-2007, 10:53 AM

so any update? is the billing gone for good?

im not gonna bother to sign up for a free acount and then try to upgrade it

Konda · 09-02-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VG.Content

We know Kimble owns it, but his name is not so affiliated with it, we're trying to track it to his name, we know for fact he does own it, but it's harder to tie his name to it on "paper"

Domain: megaupload.com
Cache Date: 2005-03-22
Registrar: IHOLDINGS.COM, INC. D/B/A DOTREGISTRAR.COM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Registrant:
Kimpire Ltd. (MEGAUPLOAD-COM-DOM)
Kim Schmitz
39/F, One Pacific Place
88 Queensway, Admiralty
Hong Kong, Hong Kong
China
+852 2273 5710
+852 2273 5999
[email protected]

Domain Name: MEGAUPLOAD.COM
Status: PROTECTED

Administrative Contact:
Kimpire Ltd. [email protected]
39/F, One Pacific Place
88 Queensway, Admiralty
Hong Kong, Hong Kong
China
+852 2273 5710
Fax- +852 2273 5999

Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Kimpire Ltd. [email protected]
39/F, One Pacific Place
88 Queensway, Admiralty
Hong Kong, Hong Kong
China
+852 2273 5710
Fax- +852 2273 5999

Record last updated on 21-Mar-2005.
Record expires on 21-Mar-2006.
Record created on 21-Mar-2005.

RawAlex · 09-02-2007, 08:02 AM

Konda, nice, except that too is a maildrop / offshore incorporation blind.

Angie77 · 09-02-2007, 08:10 AM

sig spot!

gooddomains · 09-02-2007, 09:58 AM

kim schmitz is the guy behind all of this ?

Paul Markham · 09-02-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Paul, one of the weird things about any business that is dependant on advertising to make it's business model go is that advertising costs money. The cost of a magazine ad, an advert in the local paper, on TV, or on radio is a key component for any business that depends on getting the word out and getting people to their doors in that manner. From hollywood movies to the local bar with a good band playing this weekend, everyone pays money to promote their product.

Smart business people make sure that their business model includes enough money to pay for advertising. If they don't nobody will know they exist, and all the great prices and great entertainment would fail. They know there are hundreds or thousands of similar choices out there, and they can get ahead with widespread public exposure.

Porn on the internet is exactly the same thing. Without marketing, most people don't know where to find what they are looking for. The spread of tube and torrent sites is because of word of mouth advertising, and now for the torrents some pretty amazing SERPs in Google which is sucking off a ton of traffic from normal sites.

Cut the price of porn down to $1 per viewing, and you won't have the budget to get enough people in the front door to make it worth doing. Just go have a look at Google ad words and figure out how much porn keywords are worth. Then figure your conversions and let me know how profitable your business would be.

I don't care if I am paid $25 a sale for 100 sales or $10 for 250 sales from a given sponsor, because as long as it requires the same amount of traffic to do it. Cut my payout per sale in half but make conversions twice as good, and I don't care. It is a bottom line business.

If the programs can't pay, then perhaps all my sites will become havens for pay per click stuff...

Firstly you tell us the business is dependant on advertising. Then you tell us the business is under threat from people who don't advertise, well don't pay for it as much as others.

All businesses must let the customers know they are there. Problem is when one side of an industry is spending too much and the other is taking their business by spending a lot less.

You keep telling us it's essential to keep the present business model of very expensive advertising, so you can keep a job, but you keep telling us we are going to be closed down by people who do not have expensive advertising. Which one is it?

Yes you can turn your sites into PPC, but you will not get paid as much.

Google porn Adwords will cost less if porn advertising budgets are cut.

You will have to take less if there is less to share out, or find another job.

The one thing you must always remember is TRAFFIC IS KING. If you own it, if all you're doing is "handing a passer by a leaflet for something he will not buy" your expensive traffic is not worth shit.

Even if you bust every site stealing content, the days of selling an over priced to the surfer are over. If you can't adapt to the new Adult Net then that's your problem. It might be mine as well.

polish_aristocrat · 09-02-2007, 12:32 PM

someone polluted the megarotic 'asian' section with hundreds of unrelated 19 seconds clips

** anyway any update on the billing?

and why is that thread started by megarotic dead already? it's been more or less confirmed that guy is real
he quoted a message he claims he received from Paul Markham and Paul markham confirmed he sent the message

i thought he's a fake nick all the time but apparently he's real indeed... so in other words megarotic posted on GFY

RawAlex · 09-02-2007, 03:45 PM

Paul, nice long speech that says "I don't understand business basics".

Advertising takes all forms - and that includes free videos on a tube site. Those videos are advertising. The tube sites make bandwidth a marketing expense, their most major expense. Rather than paying for clicks or paying affiliates, they pay for bandwidth by the bucketload. Trust me, I did the math, these guys are shovelling money over for bandwidth at rates that would scare most adult businesses.

They can do it because they have no production costs, no costs to produce the content, and the sponsors are still paying enough to justify the bandwidth.

If as you suggest the value of adult clicks were to drop, or affiliate programs were to significantly drop their payout, there would suddenly be little or no way for these tube sites to pay the bills. Already, they aren't selling porn as much as they are selling dating, poker, and hair loss products. Anything for money. That will be money gone from adult and sent elsewhere.

The cost of adult clicks will never drop far enough, as there is always a dating site, or a poker site, or a "something else" site willing to pay for it. New filters get developed, traffic gets shoved around, and the cost of the traffic never gets low enough to support your proposed business model.

Adult will never get rid of all of the theft. Nobody can, nobody ever will. That isn't the point. This isn't the quest for the absolute answer. Getting rid of the largest sites, getting legal judgements that make them harder to oparate in the future, making it harder for them to get processing, hosting, connectivity, and search engine listings are all ways to minimize the damage.

You may not think so, but people are more than willing to pay for porn, in the same manner that hundreds of millions of people are willing to pay to watch the latest movies in a theater rather than waiting for it on DVD or trying to download a crappy copy shot with a video camera on a tripod in the middle of a noisy theater. Torrent sites and tube sites are a huge negative on DVD sales (porn and non-porn alike), they create an intolerable situation for everyone involved.

Except you, because you haven't figured out yet that at some point, all the content you produce because worthless and your business ceases to exist.

But hey, carry on.

RawAlex · 09-02-2007, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

someone polluted the megarotic 'asian' section with hundreds of unrelated 19 seconds clips

** anyway any update on the billing?

and why is that thread started by megarotic dead already? it's been more or less confirmed that guy is real
he quoted a message he claims he received from Paul Markham and Paul markham confirmed he sent the message

i thought he's a fake nick all the time but apparently he's real indeed... so in other words megarotic posted on GFY

There has been at least one representative from Megarotic at the last couple of AVN shows. However, it isn't the true beneficial owner, this was a quiet bespectabled guy that blended in with the background. The real owner, well, he couldn't blend in no matter how hard he tries.

scottybuzz · 09-02-2007, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gooddomains

kim schmitz is the guy behind all of this ?

sup gooddomains

geeknik · 09-02-2007, 04:07 PM

Oh no, they'll just move to another biller that will say fuck you.

Huggles · 09-02-2007, 04:17 PM

Fuck those thieves.

RawAlex · 09-02-2007, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeknik

Oh no, they'll just move to another biller that will say fuck you.

Doesn't matter where they go for billing - Visa and Mastercard won't want to be in the middle of a copyright lawsuit, and as soon as they get DMCA notices, they will put big pressure on the IPSPs or sponsoring banks to bail on these guys. Megarotic's major mistake is that they are charging for memberships. It makes their entire business very, shakey, and shows not only that they are transmitting copyright material but that they are charging a fee to access it (which would be resale... naughty!).

d-null · 09-02-2007, 09:38 PM

nice thread

»Rob Content« · 09-02-2007, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeknik

Oh no, they'll just move to another biller that will say fuck you.

Not true, if you go past the biller and straight to Visa or MC, or to their merch bank and ask why the process scat, cp, rape, chicks blowing horses, incest, hardcore bondage it's only a matter of time before it's pulled.

RAM · 09-02-2007, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Not true, if you go past the biller and straight to Visa or MC, or to their merch bank and ask why the process scat, cp, rape, chicks blowing horses, incest, hardcore bondage it's only a matter of time before it's pulled.

Can I ask what is the problem with Hardcore Bondage.....?

I'm starting to wonder if some of this is just because you don't like it - not anything more or less.

I mean really you have a problem with the sites in my sig ??

Before it sounded like all you wanted to do was put a end to content stealing...now with statements like this it sounds like more.

tony286 · 09-02-2007, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAM

Can I ask what is the problem with Hardcore Bondage.....?

I'm starting to wonder if some of this is just because you don't like it - not anything more or less.

I mean really you have a problem with the sites in my sig ??

Before it sounded like all you wanted to do was put a end to content stealing...now with statements like this it sounds like more.

Try and get a ccbill account with a extreme bondage site aint going to happen. As for your sig , they have banners on tna flixs so fuck them very much.

xmas13 · 09-04-2007, 02:08 PM

Kim Schmitz, con-man, scammer, liar, former convict.

Fuck him and his mother.

His toolbar sucks so bad and installs plenty of spyware trojans on people's computers, and his websites' content is 95% stolen.

What a 'business model'!

The guy is a web nigga, exiled in Asia.

uno · 09-04-2007, 02:22 PM

Seems like its still up.

08-25-2007, 07:40 AM	#203
TTiger Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: quebec, canada Posts: 3,030	this is a killer thread but as i am a tgp network owner and an affilliated its kinda scrarry to read this stuff but im luicky enough to have a real world job so if the tgp buisness is next to fall apart my futur still secured ... __________________

08-25-2007, 08:16 AM	#209
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	Also Paul these sites have nothing to do with the hard working affiliate nor does it have anything to do with the large affiliate programs squeezing more out of the surfer. If you want to go back to that same old discussion then please go to one of your threads and explain how you've reinvented the system with your magic join links, and offering full access for 5 dollars and everything else. The sites profiting from torrents, tubes etc are dating and cams, it's not the people who shoot and sell porn. It's the people who want to profit off stolen free content and then upsell them to dating, or cams. There is a simple solution, get off your fucking ass and do something about it take action and don't spend all day on 15 boards explaining how to reinvent the affiliate program, find out who is stealing and kick them in the fucking balls, how do you kick them in the balls online, you cut off how they make money. It's a very simple process. I got sick of everyone crying on here, and no one doing a damn thing. I spent a week doing research on the tube site in question, then spoke with a lawyer, then spoke with local police, media, and the FBI, researched different laws in different areas that the site was affiliated with, worked a few angels with Alex, and a few others. Then took the steps to cut off their money. The amount of BW they push they need to make money anywhere possible, cutting that off will hurt the profit margin and have them looking for a new way to profit. It's really funny, but people who produce content are the laziest fucking bunch of pathetic assholes I have ever come across. I have found 4 tube based sites all within the top 450 on alexa, all covered in stolen content for dozens of various content producers. When I contacted the site, the host and the billing on these sites all of them had ZERO fucking ZERO complaints from content producers. That's some slack ass shit. So now I said fuck it I am going to take these sites out, I've now contacted dozens of content producers and showed them their stuff was on that site, I even sent them the paper work they needed to fill out, all they needed to do was fill in the blanks, would take honestly 5 minutes, I even said I would do all the leg work for FREE, I just needed them to fill out a small piece of paper work and plug in a few lines of text, nothing more then that. Out of about 25 people who I requested this info from about 4 have actually gotten back to me. I really don't get why people do not take this serious. I guess most of them would rather bitch on GFY and other boards then actually do anything about it. I can say it makes doing what I am doing a lot fucking harder. I could have 6-10 sites already shut down, but from the slack ass approach from content producers and content owners I must sit on my hands and wait. It's quite disheartening to say the least. I am doing this for FREE, not asking for anything, not wanting anything, taking time out of EVERY day, and people cannot find 5-10 minutes out of ONE day to send over a couple of lines of text. I find it funny to say the least. __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

08-25-2007, 08:21 AM	#214
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	lots of 30-50 min videos of 'casting couch teens' from topbucks (?) on megarotic... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

08-25-2007, 12:41 PM	#231
_Lush_ Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: GDL Jal. Posts: 536	o shit I hope this doesnt affect the traffic I have going to my typos I have of that site megerotic.com and megarotik.com im making some nice ppc rinse daily off those. maybe would be a good time to sell them __________________ IcQ 50611033

08-27-2007, 10:53 AM	#232
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	so any update? is the billing gone for good? im not gonna bother to sign up for a free acount and then try to upgrade it __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

08-25-2007, 09:01 AM	#227
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	Need to find out for sure whos supplying what bandwidth then everyone go and find their illegal content on their and send abuse complaints and phone up every hosting company involved and give them some shit.

09-02-2007, 08:02 AM	#234
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Konda, nice, except that too is a maildrop / offshore incorporation blind.

09-02-2007, 08:10 AM	#235
Angie77 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,356	sig spot! __________________ Best Conversions, Highest Payouts in the industry, Dedicated affiliate support: What more could you ask for? Sign up Today!

09-02-2007, 09:58 AM	#236
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	kim schmitz is the guy behind all of this ?

09-02-2007, 12:32 PM	#238
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	someone polluted the megarotic 'asian' section with hundreds of unrelated 19 seconds clips ** anyway any update on the billing? and why is that thread started by megarotic dead already? it's been more or less confirmed that guy is real he quoted a message he claims he received from Paul Markham and Paul markham confirmed he sent the message i thought he's a fake nick all the time but apparently he's real indeed... so in other words megarotic posted on GFY __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

09-02-2007, 03:45 PM	#239
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Paul, nice long speech that says "I don't understand business basics". Advertising takes all forms - and that includes free videos on a tube site. Those videos are advertising. The tube sites make bandwidth a marketing expense, their most major expense. Rather than paying for clicks or paying affiliates, they pay for bandwidth by the bucketload. Trust me, I did the math, these guys are shovelling money over for bandwidth at rates that would scare most adult businesses. They can do it because they have no production costs, no costs to produce the content, and the sponsors are still paying enough to justify the bandwidth. If as you suggest the value of adult clicks were to drop, or affiliate programs were to significantly drop their payout, there would suddenly be little or no way for these tube sites to pay the bills. Already, they aren't selling porn as much as they are selling dating, poker, and hair loss products. Anything for money. That will be money gone from adult and sent elsewhere. The cost of adult clicks will never drop far enough, as there is always a dating site, or a poker site, or a "something else" site willing to pay for it. New filters get developed, traffic gets shoved around, and the cost of the traffic never gets low enough to support your proposed business model. Adult will never get rid of all of the theft. Nobody can, nobody ever will. That isn't the point. This isn't the quest for the absolute answer. Getting rid of the largest sites, getting legal judgements that make them harder to oparate in the future, making it harder for them to get processing, hosting, connectivity, and search engine listings are all ways to minimize the damage. You may not think so, but people are more than willing to pay for porn, in the same manner that hundreds of millions of people are willing to pay to watch the latest movies in a theater rather than waiting for it on DVD or trying to download a crappy copy shot with a video camera on a tripod in the middle of a noisy theater. Torrent sites and tube sites are a huge negative on DVD sales (porn and non-porn alike), they create an intolerable situation for everyone involved. Except you, because you haven't figured out yet that at some point, all the content you produce because worthless and your business ceases to exist. But hey, carry on.

09-02-2007, 04:07 PM	#242
geeknik l337 h4x0r!#% Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: OKC, OK, USA Posts: 8,364	Oh no, they'll just move to another biller that will say fuck you. __________________ hacker 4 hire.

09-02-2007, 04:17 PM	#243
Huggles GFY'S #1 retard Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 10,479	Fuck those thieves. __________________ I make my money from people jerking off

09-02-2007, 09:38 PM	#245
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	nice thread __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

09-04-2007, 02:08 PM	#249
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	Kim Schmitz, con-man, scammer, liar, former convict. Fuck him and his mother. His toolbar sucks so bad and installs plenty of spyware trojans on people's computers, and his websites' content is 95% stolen. What a 'business model'! The guy is a web nigga, exiled in Asia. Last edited by xmas13; 09-04-2007 at 02:10 PM..

09-04-2007, 02:22 PM	#250
uno RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC Area Posts: 18,450	Seems like its still up. __________________ -uno icq: 111-914 CrazyBabe.com - porn art MojoHost - For all your hosting needs, present and future. Tell them I sent ya!