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- that there is no Paul Markham content anywhere - that i get a full list with when what which content was used Quote:
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I wonder how many other affilate programs are there with his content. Everybody reading that all should think about if there are not easier and cheaper solutions for content .....
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Funny ass thread...
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However, i'am not happy with your terms and i think it's not fair that you want to charge someone exactly 3 times for the same content on the very same domain on the very same affilate program. It might be your right due your terms, but i realy hope that people buying content are now aware of the way you handle such issues ... So yes, i'am NOT willing to pay 2 times for the owner transfer to the new owner and i'am not willing to pay 5 times the full price for the use in the affilates area which i wasn't aware, that's why your content will get simply removed as soon as i know what exactly is yours....
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Paul has stated many times in many threads here on GFY, that he gives his content away to almost anyone that wants it. Just look around, you might be able to legitimately use all of it, plus much more. FREE!
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All i want is to remove his content asap and to get the Chapter: "Paul Markham" closed.
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Everything is negotiable during the initial purchase transaction. Renegotiating after the fact is a totally different matter. |
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But with the stand paul has made lately, it is pretty hard not to give him a big fuck you when he comes and speaks about right and wrong when he openly supports theft himself. I have some PM content myself and i gotta say it wasent till very recent i found out the license was to the person and NOT the domain it is used on. Even if you still need to list the domain name the content will be used on when you buy. And i`m not alone on that understanding. I havent seen that in ANY other license ever. that the content is sold to a person and not the domain name and cant follow a sale of a site. That is of course 100% my fault as i havent read the license close enoughf. But that was not even the point of my post. Yes, paul is in his good right in this case, just makes me sick with that form of double standard.
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Paul's tube site stance is pathetic ..... no argument there.
When the website in question was sold was there no "due diligence" done? Content and traffic are the obvious assets being purchased. For the buyer to pay for content that wasn't transferrable is a bad investment. For the seller to sell something not his, over-stating assets, might be something to ask an attorney about. To call Paul after a server crash and expect his cooperation is wishful thinking and foolish. |
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Sure, Pornonada should/could have been more careful with his purchase, and he readily admits that. As they could not come to terms when trying to get the 'license' straightened out, Pornonada decided they should remove the content. At least this is the way I see that it went down. Technically, Paul is right in this matter, but his handling of the situation was completely out of line. (Note that NONE of the other content providers for the sites in question had any problem restoring content, etc.) Paul was unreasonable with his request to be removed from the shitlist. If all it takes is a little bit of trading/cash to get removed from a shitlist, then the shitlist means nothing. Calling the guy a scammer and pirate was completely unfounded and a blatant lie, as the details have been discussed publicly for some time. With as many prices and wants that Paul has requested concerning this it just shows that he is quite selective for who and how his 'license' is applied. |
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And to think Pauls return would involve no drama... okay so i'm naive...
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IF the corporation is sold then the licience would not have changed hands (corporation 186555 would still be the owner of the liciense) the owner of the corporation would be the liciencee. From the sounds of what you are saying, anyone stupid enough to buy from you can never sell their program, never take on partners (since that would change the owners of the corporation) never retire and never go public. |
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look i for one don't fault him for working with the tube sites as long as they comply with DMCA request they are operating within the law however smokincash is a corporation, it pays it affiliates from a corporate account. that corporation ownes the domains, and the entire program was bought lock stock and barrel which means the liciencee did not change, it still the same corporation that bought the licience in the first place. who owns the corporation which owns the licience should not matter, and based on the wording of the contract it does not. |
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be careful, the content might be soon on redtube or any similar site !!!!
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Make sure when you buy a licenses it's clearly licensed to the company and not you. Make sure you obtain a copy of the license signed by the licensor and make sure you abide by all the terms in the license. I've seen on Ask Damage some of the mis information being posted here. I will put it right. |
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It is not to a corporation, it's not to domains and it clearly states it's not transferable by the licensee. Where did you get that it was sold to a corporation? So he bought the content he can't buy, as the original buyer does not have "content" to sell, he then uses the content, he still uses the content after he knows it's not licensed to him, he breaks the original terms of the license, he never paid for the extra use of the license. He then starts a thread to damage my business. He should of called it. "Don't buy a license from Paul Markham because the old fool will expect you to stick to it." I know I rub people up the wrong way. I am me take it or leave it. But please don't make posts accusing me of doing something wrong when you clearly do not know the facts. Just to emphasise the facts. 1. The original license is to a person not a company. 2. It's not to be sold or transferred by that person. 3. It was for members are use only, it's being given to affiliates. 4. Pornonada has never seen the license. 5. Pornonada has not obtained a transfer of the license to him. 6. Pornonada continued to use the content. 7. Pornonada claims he sold the company and the content again. The license has been broken time and time again, yet I'm meant to suck it up and ignore it. And take the flaming for getting pissed off. |
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he didn't steal the content, so you're already wrong there. He bought a cash program and for some reason there was a misunderstanding if the license was transferable with the domain. Seems it is not, now go work it out.
Seems like you just try to make a few extra bucks real quick. why do you care if a guy named Joe owns the site or a guy named john? Explain that to me. |
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I told the seller, called Marcel, before the sale he is not allowed to sell the license. Told him on ICQ to send the new buyer to me and not too include the license in the sale. Maybe Marcel is the biggest culprit here. When Pornonada lost the content, he did not lose it all as he has it in his affiliates are and tour, he asked me to give it to him again and rewrite the license. This was the first I heard of it. I tried to make some extra money. Shoot me down in flames. All the time Pornonada was using it in his affiliates area which is clearly against the terms of the license and without paying for the extra use. So he was also trying to make some extra money, shoot him down in flames. If the content is in the affiliates area it's in there in clear breech of our license. That is something I would like to be paid for, do you think that's fair? However we only have Pornonada word he bought the license to the content and the seller lost it during the transfer, the seller lost it off his computers and the servers? Might of happened. Maybe the seller is not the guilty party, maybe he did not sell the license on the content and never transfered it to Pornonada, except for the bits he was using in the affiliates area. Maybe Pornonada can show us he bought the license for the content. |
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Because we sell to other people and the idea of a non exclusive license is to make it profitable for us to sell it and profitable for the buyers to buy it. We need to protect our interests and the interests of other buyers. When Marcel bought the content there never was the provision to use it in the affiliates area that was brought in to make it fair to others as we were using www.paulmarkham.com content to promote www.paulmarkhamteens.com We did not want every program to be giving the same scenes to all their affiliates, and trust me some would if they could, so we upped the price in the full knowledge that few would pay it. Why did we do this? So that sponsors and affiliates are not sold or given saturated content form www.paulmarkham.com You can't saturate content in a major niche like teens, in a members area without the content provider making a lot of money. So to just restate. Why do we care who owns the license? Because we want to know he will stick to it so we protect ourselves and our other clients. Is that so bad? |
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Why did you ask him for 11k?
I'm kind of missing something here
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You NEVER released and signed a license. Why don't you just show your part of the license that was signed by Marcel??? You can't show the license the same way because you NEVER released one and you know very well that none excists which again doesn't make things any better because nobody realy knows to whom it was licensed, was it smokingcash, was it Marcel, was it Andre the other previous owner or whom? I guess you got paid from the smokincash business account, but that doesn't realy matter as there NEVER was a released license to whomever. So while you right now claim that it was sold to a personal person and not to smokincash i could right now ask you reverse, show me the license that was signed my the previous owner (marcel) and that it's licensed ONLY to him. I admit that i can not proof it but now can you proof it, let's say with sreenshot to whom exactly you licensed it??
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He also wants that this got paid by me and the new owners because once i bought the program some months ago and now i'am in the process of selling and transfering it again, means another charge due the calculation he presented me once while dealing.
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If I was in your position I would stop posting and consult a lawyer as to the best way to handle this process. Paul will need to produce a signed copy of the license from the person you purchased it from, and he would need to prove that you openly stole from him, that the license was indeed made out to the owners name and not the business in itself. Some things will never find a resolve on the boards.
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We always resupply content to a client who has lost it. Pornonada is not a client of ours. He's a client of Marcel who he says sold him the content. True I tried many prices and even as little as a fee banner on Ask Damage when DamageX came in and asked me. He said he could not do it. Seems I was to do everything for free, because of sales to Marcel. All the time Pornonada had the content in the affiliates area, it was never licensed for that. What ever the arguments about selling a license with a domain or company the license never covered affiliate use. If the shit list is to mean something it should include a site giving unlicensed content to affiliates. A site associated with DamageX!!! |
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I don't see any need for a lawyer, all i want is to fucking remove his content asap, as we get zero help from him pointing us which is his content and where it's used we will hire mostly removeyourcontent.com to fix that asap. If Paul wants to make finally a reasonable offer, fine, it's all in our interest, but not with blackmailing.
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It was clear before, because most of your so called offers contained the need of the "shitlist removal" of your affilate program ....
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If so he was lying to you. The license is included in the buying process for the buyer to download, keep and print on all sales. It's also in the clients shopping basket area for all time. Marcel never signed is and sent it to us, if he had he would of got it back signed by one of my staff. It would clearly state the content, price and what the content was licensed for. Andre never made a purchase on the site according to our data base, are you saying he was an owner of smokincash and sold it to Marcel? I have the license in the database and can see it. Want to see the proof? |
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Yes, i asked about 25 times to see the license but you refused so far all the time, so yes, i'am still interested to see it of course....
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If he had made a fair prosposal we would have solved already, also the reason why he refuses to tell us exactly what and where his content is, we would have removed it by now x times but he didn't tell us upon all our requests. It's obvious he is not interested in solving the issue the one or other way, at least not so far...
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The licenses as on our database. The licenses Marcel could of printed out and kept and got me to sign. The licenses he could of got to sign.
Clearly states the content license is not for affiliate distribution and reselling content to other webmasters. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The domains allowed by Marcel to display the content on. ![]() ![]() Want to claim it's a photochop? Other customers will tell you these exist. I will allow a trusted third party to login and see the licenses on the database. |
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He knows this URL has our content, I told him yesterday on Ask Damage. http://www.smokinaccess.com/ Do you still see our content on that page? OK here's an offer again. Take down the content you don't own NOW. Or pay for it. Including the affiliates use license. Pornonada can make a public offer here and now. Pornonada has had countless offers from me, from $2,000 down to a free banner on AD. All refused. Content still used. And probably still inside the site. We only have his word it's not and it's on the tour, on the affiliates side and given out on http://www.smokinaccess.com/ So all this content is NOT in the members area? Maybe Pornonada would like to give me a login to the members area. He kicked me out of the affiliates area when he knew I had caught him out. Maybe someone else would like to look. |
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Very funny, hard task if someone is NOT aware what exactly is your content and where exactly it's all displayed, means which FHGs, which pic exactly on a tour or design. Quote:
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[QUOTE=Paul Markham;13824250] Content still used. And probably still inside the site. We only have his word it's not and it's on the tour, on the affiliates side and given out on http://www.smokinaccess.com/ Yes, it's still there on the tour i guess and yes, it's on the affilates area which i got aware yesterday, but i take the full vault for that as well as i don't await that anybody believes me that i wasn't aware that some content was/is used on some FHGs ALL the members area have been lost completly due the bad server move. They are being restored step by step by the new owners with the content we got back from the other content providers. And yes, i realy hope there is NO content from you there That's another blantant lie, i NEVER kicked you out, i'am even not aware you joined. I never had to hide anything. It's a public issue for some weeks now and i don't think someone is able to hide FHGs that have been up for months before i bought the program. The whole fact alone that not one single piece has of content has been removed so far should tell you that i don't hide anything.
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Or make a final public offer to get this resolved, because we are already in contact with removeyourcontent.com and i want hesitate to pay him to remove your content from allover smokincash to have this unlucky chapter finally closed. It's all up to you as i admit ALL my mistakes and it's more than obvious that i try to solve the situation one or the other way....
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Some clarification for readers who don't know what "the shitlist" is: it is a forum on another board where shady sponsors are listed.
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We will supply you with a new FTP for the content and new licenses. Content use in the affiliates area is, 3 times the original purchase price to give it to affiliates and 5 times the original price to put it in FHGs and give it to affiliates. Less the original purchase price paid by Marcel. So 2 and 4 times. |
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Wait, am I following this right: he
a. Never saw the license BUT b. clearly violated the license How would he know he violated the license if he has never seen it? |
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He said he had looked at the licenses on our site and said he thought they were made out to a domain. He must of seen we do not license for affiliate use. Does that clear up that one? Pornonada if you are selling the site I think you had best take all our content down. Don't want this all over again. |
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![]() I was put on the shit list when I refused to give affiliates un watermarked content. Seems DamageX thinks we should and to disagree with him is good enough to get you shit listed. ![]() ![]() |
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reading your next post it seems you would like to have that whole thing taxed another time when the program is finally transfered to the new owners. But anyway, that offer isn't of any interest for me neither i want to deal in some days again with the transfer to the new owner again so i will stick with the removal. Send me please the 5 issued licenses so we can lookup your content and forward them to removeyourcontent so he can go through everything way faster and more easy or send them just directly to him if you feel more comfortable that way, there is actually no need for me. So in some time your content will be removed from all smokincash sites, fhgs and tours, i hope you are satisfied now. Now the final question, as the content would get lost that way i at very least would prefer that the previous owner and original buyer of the content could use the content than. How much will it cost to add an additionally doman to the license agreement? From what i see the license is for 10 domains, but only used on 3 domains, so is there a fee to have the 3 removed and add other domains to the previous owner so at very least he can use the content?! Just a thought so the money paid once isn't lost totally.
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As i said, i didn't comment anything in the thread you mention, so i will have to look it up when i have some spare time...
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