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Domain Broker · 02-17-2010, 08:04 AM

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Caligari · 02-17-2010, 08:15 AM

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Allison · 02-17-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Jenner and Block is a strong IP litigation firm and I would estimate that the retainer on this case could have set PV back a minimum of $50k and the costs of litigation will exceed $100,000.

This isnt a BS case. I am sure this has been 2 yrs in the making before it was filed. I would be surprised if it settled early. This one has a chance to go the distance... unless the govt gets theirs first.I think that may be why this was filed so quickly after that announcement...

Good luck PV.

Just to clarify since it hasn't hit the online dockets, this case was actually filed last week. The U.S. Gov't case was just a coincidence with timing. Couldn't really plan for something like that.

~Alli

sextoyking · 02-17-2010, 08:35 AM

Alli,

Hats off to you and your crew!!!

A very smart move....

Peace

Todd

TheDoc · 02-17-2010, 08:50 AM

If anyone really wants to help, start pushing Top Bucks Mobile! It will make you money, fund the fight, and help you screw over the evil monkey!

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pornlaw · 02-17-2010, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by punkpred

In your professional opinion, do you think that this could be a chain reaction and many others will come out and sue the illegals?

No. Most companies I have consulted with either havent used the proper forms -- work for hire agreements with their videographers and editors or havent actually employed the videographer and editor as employees in order for them to own the copyrights to their own videos. One defense to copyright infringement is that the company filing the lawsuit does not actually own the rights. In copyright just because you pay for it doesnt mean you own it. Copyright is a property right and can only be transfer from the videographer to the company by way of a written instrument or if they are actually an employee of the company by using the traditional definition of employee - ie., salary with taxes deducted.

And then there is the fact that most companies dont bother to even actually file for registration. Without a copyright registration you cannot even file the lawsuit. If the registration is filed after the infringement the company would be limited to damages such as actual damages and not be able to ask for the statutory copyright damages that allow for large recoveries. Actual damages are difficult to prove and will require the services of an expert opinion. Which means that usually it is not worth even filing the lawsuit. Actual damages can be difficult to prove.

And then there's the cost of experts. We just retained an expert in another copyright case which is rather simple compared to this one and I expect the expert's fee in that case to be in $25,000-$30,000 price range.

In this case, I am sure that PV has all their Is dotted and Ts crossed. Jenner and Block would not overlook the obvious. They are too good.

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Originally Posted by Allison

Just to clarify since it hasn't hit the online dockets, this case was actually filed last week. The U.S. Gov't case was just a coincidence with timing. Couldn't really plan for something like that.

~Alli

Interesting. But good timing none-the-less. Good luck.

mvee · 02-17-2010, 10:35 AM

Forbes picked up on the story. Interesting on what they calculate Brazzers monthly revenue. I had it much higher

http://blogs.forbes.com/velocity/201...e-video-sites/

TheDoc · 02-17-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mvee

Forbes picked up on the story. Interesting on what they calculate Brazzers monthly revenue. I had it much higher

http://blogs.forbes.com/velocity/201...e-video-sites/

Quoted from the article: "As for the numbers we do know, insiders guess that the online portion of the industry is anywhere from a $6 to $12 billion dollar business. And some tube sites appear to be making real money, mostly from advertising and premium account offerings, though not as much money as the big studios are used to, as Forbes reported last August. Pardon estimated that Brazzers is making around $3 million a month on the various websites it runs."

$36 million a year is a rather large porn company... I know it gets bigger, but that still isn't playing around.

Jdoughs · 02-17-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Quoted from the article: "As for the numbers we do know, insiders guess that the online portion of the industry is anywhere from a $6 to $12 billion dollar business. And some tube sites appear to be making real money, mostly from advertising and premium account offerings, though not as much money as the big studios are used to, as Forbes reported last August. Pardon estimated that Brazzers is making around $3 million a month on the various websites it runs."

$36 million a year is a rather large porn company... I know it gets bigger, but that still isn't playing around.

And especially so if that 'making' is 'taking'. 3 mil a month in profit is pretty big.

Tanker · 02-18-2010, 11:22 AM

how much of that money is straight up stolen from producers

Brandon Iron · 02-20-2010, 01:36 AM

Go Pink Visual!

kenny · 02-22-2010, 06:57 AM

Happy times

TheDoc · 02-23-2010, 09:12 PM

Yahoo and AFP sponsored bump.... "Pink Visual takes porn piracy battle to US court"

"Pink Visual has taken a long-running online porn piracy battle to court, asking a US judge to stop "tube sites" from playing dirty when it comes to copyrighted digital videos."

Allison · 02-23-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yahoo and AFP sponsored bump.... "Pink Visual takes porn piracy battle to US court"

"Pink Visual has taken a long-running online porn piracy battle to court, asking a US judge to stop "tube sites" from playing dirty when it comes to copyrighted digital videos."

I personally like the "Pink Visual has been "overwhelmed with support" from members of the industry, according to Vivas."

Seriously, it's crazy how many people have come out of the woodwork and hit us up with their support.

Allison · 02-24-2010, 03:38 PM

I was just cleaning my office up a bit today and saw that I only had one 2 year old AVN Magazine still sitting in my office that I don't even remember when the last time I saw it was. The title of that issue was "Down the Tubes". I thought the article from back in February 2008 was a pretty interesting read even now:

http://business.avn.com/articles/5774.html

grumpy · 02-24-2010, 03:47 PM

when will it goto court? Have to bookmark that date.

minddust · 02-24-2010, 03:49 PM

Way to go!

Congratulations!

Allison · 02-24-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

when will it goto court? Have to bookmark that date.

I wish it was that simple. Needs to go through the process( responses, discovery/depositions, motions, etc) before it gets scheduled.

Once the complaint is put live on the docket, most attorneys will have access to view the progress and I'm sure there will be updates.

just a punk · 02-24-2010, 04:41 PM

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MrDeiz · 05-04-2010, 11:27 PM

WTF?

Settlement Conference Slated for Pink Visual-Brazzers Case

NEW YORK — Will the Pink Visual-Brazzers copyright suit end up in a settlement?
A May 19 settlement conference date before U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew Peck was scheduled today, with an order for Pink Visual attorneys to provide a "confidential settlement memorandum" one week prior to the hearing.

"[The proposal] should be the realistic settlement range of that party, not just the party's 'opening bid,'" Peck said in the order. "The settlement range in the settlement memorandum will be kept confidential by me and not disclosed to opposing counsel."

Peck ordered both sides, including company officials and their insurance representatives, to be present at the May 19 hearing.

Settlement conferences are often ordered by the court as a preliminary step to holding a trial or offered by case adversaries. Many times, those conferences end up as an impasse.

Officials at Pink Visual declined comment on the matter; XBIZ was unable to reach Brazzers officials Thursday.

Pink Visual maintains that Brazzers' parent company, Montreal-based Mansef Inc., operates a number of tube sites that permit users to upload and download infringing files, maintaining servers in New York.

The sites at issue in Pink Visual's claims include KeezMovies.com, PornHub.com, ExtremeTube.com and Tube8.com, all owned by Mansef and Interhub, whose officers operate both companies as well as one of the best-known adult companies, Brazzers.

Pink Visual's parent company, Ventura Content, claims that Brazzers systematically abuses the 45 Pink Visual-copyrighted videos. They point to Brazzers categorizing the infringing videos and providing the means for user to comment on, rate or virally distribute infringing videos.

Loch · 05-04-2010, 11:28 PM

i just wanted to prply as it seems serious lol

MrDeiz · 05-04-2010, 11:28 PM

tho it was predicted that way :2cents:

TheDoc · 05-04-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

WTF?

Settlement Conference Slated for Pink Visual-Brazzers Case

NEW YORK — Will the Pink Visual-Brazzers copyright suit end up in a settlement?
A May 19 settlement conference date before U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew Peck was scheduled today, with an order for Pink Visual attorneys to provide a "confidential settlement memorandum" one week prior to the hearing.

"[The proposal] should be the realistic settlement range of that party, not just the party's 'opening bid,'" Peck said in the order. "The settlement range in the settlement memorandum will be kept confidential by me and not disclosed to opposing counsel."

Peck ordered both sides, including company officials and their insurance representatives, to be present at the May 19 hearing.

Settlement conferences are often ordered by the court as a preliminary step to holding a trial or offered by case adversaries. Many times, those conferences end up as an impasse.

Officials at Pink Visual declined comment on the matter; XBIZ was unable to reach Brazzers officials Thursday.

Pink Visual maintains that Brazzers' parent company, Montreal-based Mansef Inc., operates a number of tube sites that permit users to upload and download infringing files, maintaining servers in New York.

The sites at issue in Pink Visual's claims include KeezMovies.com, PornHub.com, ExtremeTube.com and Tube8.com, all owned by Mansef and Interhub, whose officers operate both companies as well as one of the best-known adult companies, Brazzers.

Pink Visual's parent company, Ventura Content, claims that Brazzers systematically abuses the 45 Pink Visual-copyrighted videos. They point to Brazzers categorizing the infringing videos and providing the means for user to comment on, rate or virally distribute infringing videos.

Court talk..... focus on this part..

"Settlement conferences are often ordered by the court as a preliminary step to holding a trial or offered by case adversaries. Many times, those conferences end up as an impasse."

Nautilus · 05-05-2010, 02:52 AM

I hope they will not settle.

LoveSandra · 05-05-2010, 03:17 AM

fuuny shit

Mutt · 05-05-2010, 04:51 AM

i really hope they don't ultimately settle - need it to go to trial and a win.

German appeal court just overturned a decision against Rapidshare. I don't think any of the lawsuits are going to be victories for content owners because the fucking laws as they are written now protect practically everybody who is involved in copyright infringement except the poor shmucks who actually produced and paid for the content.

New laws are needed and fast.

ShellyCrash · 05-05-2010, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Court talk..... focus on this part..

"Settlement conferences are often ordered by the court as a preliminary step to holding a trial or offered by case adversaries. Many times, those conferences end up as an impasse."

Exactly. Usually you have to enter into a mediation phase before duking it out before a judge. The more reasonable you appear in mediation the more it helps your case, so it's in Top Bucks' best interest to play nice.

Even if this settles it still could be a win for the industry as that act of weakness may encourage other content providers to do the same who don't want to risk a lengthy court battle.

gideongallery · 05-05-2010, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i really hope they don't ultimately settle - need it to go to trial and a win.

German appeal court just overturned a decision against Rapidshare. I don't think any of the lawsuits are going to be victories for content owners because the fucking laws as they are written now protect practically everybody who is involved in copyright infringement except the poor shmucks who actually produced and paid for the content.

New laws are needed and fast.

personally i hope pink visual actually gets their ass handed to them they have the gaul to actually explictly state the fair use they are trying to stomp all over in their complaint

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They point to Brazzers categorizing the infringing videos and providing the means for user to comment on, rate or virally distribute infringing videos

TheDoc · 05-05-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

personally i hope pink visual actually gets their ass handed to them they have the gaul to actually explictly state the fair use they are trying to stomp all over in their complaint

Actually they have direct copyright violations... which does violate fair use.

Don't try to argue over something that all the information you have is from news reports on a forum. I will make you look rather stupid.

TheDoc · 05-05-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Exactly. Usually you have to enter into a mediation phase before duking it out before a judge. The more reasonable you appear in mediation the more it helps your case, so it's in Top Bucks' best interest to play nice.

Even if this settles it still could be a win for the industry as that act of weakness may encourage other content providers to do the same who don't want to risk a lengthy court battle.

Exactly... everything so far is just how it is.

When they win or settle, it will be a extremely massive win for our Industry.

JA$ON · 05-05-2010, 07:24 AM

it will be thrown out or settled for a small sum to avoid the trouble...

Until the DMCA laws are fine tuned , these lawsuits do little , other than the lawyers a few bucks and get every tube hater's feathers all ruffled.

Instead of bitching on here all the time, people should be bitching to their lawmakers.
Im not saying Im FOR illegal tubes, but if they always have the dmca to point too, It seems that there is not alot you can do.

gideongallery · 05-05-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Actually they have direct copyright violations... which does violate fair use.

first of all fair use supercede copyright violations specifically because of the notwithstanding clause and the explict declaration that fair use is not a copyright violation

which means your statement is totally wrong

if you ment to say that pink visual has proof that it is not fair use and therefore it is a direct copyright violation (which it seems to be based on your next statement ) then that a different issue

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Don't try to argue over something that all the information you have is from news reports on a forum. I will make you look rather stupid.

based on their public statement they are going after brazzers for providing a service that facilitates the fair use of commentary for people who BOUGHT pink visual content.

so either they ARE trying to stomp all over the fair use of commentary with a bitch move lawsuit

or

they are trying to destroy fair use of commentary by spread fud with a bogus claim in the press and winning it with a real arguement (like undeniable proof that brazzers employees uploaded the content with express written consent from all the board of directors of brazzers)

either way my comment still stands

i hope they get their ass handed to them

if they had the undeniable proof of knowing and authorized infringement they should be publicly sticking to those facts not trying to FUD against the fair use right of commentary.

Allison · 05-05-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

personally i hope pink visual actually gets their ass handed to them they have the gaul to actually explictly state the fair use they are trying to stomp all over in their complaint

Maybe you should actually read the lawsuit & the documents & judgments already disclosed versus basing your opinions off of a sentence of an Xbiz article. Our confidence in this case remains.

TheDoc · 05-05-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

first of all fair use supercede copyright violations specifically because of the notwithstanding clause and the explict declaration that fair use is not a copyright violation

which means your statement is totally wrong

if you ment to say that pink visual has proof that it is not fair use and therefore it is a direct copyright violation (which it seems to be based on your next statement ) then that a different issue

First of all.... fair use is "claimed" by someone, and the other party claims Copyright Violations... That's how it "actually" works.

They do have proof it's not fair use... ignored take down requests is a copyright violation even if a user uploaded it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

based on their public statement they are going after brazzers for providing a service that facilitates the fair use of commentary for people who BOUGHT pink visual content.

so either they ARE trying to stomp all over the fair use of commentary with a bitch move lawsuit

or

Based on the public statement they are suing them for several copyright violations.

Fair use/time shifting - would be users uploading it because they purchased a membership... that isn't what is happening.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

they are trying to destroy fair use of commentary by spread fud with a bogus claim in the press and winning it with a real arguement (like undeniable proof that brazzers employees uploaded the content with express written consent from all the board of directors of brazzers)

either way my comment still stands

i hope they get their ass handed to them

if they had the undeniable proof of knowing and authorized infringement they should be publicly sticking to those facts not trying to FUD against the fair use right of commentary.

You sue for every reason you can to make sure one sticks.... that's how it works.

It is a violation of fair use, "users" didn't upload it.. it's the same user on the site - that's before discovery of IP's - you can see that.

Either way, even IF someone did upload it, when you ignore a take down notice - it's a copyright violation.

Soooooo at the end of the day, Gideon supports Piracy over fair use. That's what your statement is saying.. no wonder most people on here hate you and...

...I understand now why you don't come to shows. Big man on the board, no balls in real life.

JP-pornshooter · 05-05-2010, 10:07 AM

the doc is right on..
a lawsuit in itself is a way to settle a dispute by way of compensating the suing party.
a mediation/settlement meeting is normal prior to actually going to court.
should (PV) throw an outrageously amount in the settlement offer chances are the case will proceed to court.
also to note is that often corporations have insurance companies backing them and it often becomes a case where the insurance carrier makes the decision to go to court or to pay the settlement as they are the one footing the bill, not only for the trial itself (lawyers are expensive) but also the settlement amount itself.

gideongallery · 05-05-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

First of all.... fair use is "claimed" by someone, and the other party claims Copyright Violations... That's how it "actually" works.

They do have proof it's not fair use... ignored take down requests is a copyright violation even if a user uploaded it.

yes but all brazzers sites have takedown policies in place.
this about going above and beyond that because the same content keeps getting put back up.

the fact that one person doesn't want to spend the millions to defend his fair use right of commentary doesn't mean that the fair use right of commentary doesn't exist.

so the next person who uploads the exact same content has to be given the same chance to choose to defend that right if they want too.

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Based on the public statement they are suing them for several copyright violations.

Fair use/time shifting - would be users uploading it because they purchased a membership... that isn't what is happening.

proof please

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You sue for every reason you can to make sure one sticks.... that's how it works.

It is a violation of fair use, "users" didn't upload it.. it's the same user on the site - that's before discovery of IP's - you can see that.

Either way, even IF someone did upload it, when you ignore a take down notice - it's a copyright violation.

based on the statements and documenation i have seen the arguement is based on concept that content returning after being taken down is an infringement not an actual ignoring of the take down notice

as i pointed out above there is a legitimacy to letting that happen. it is necessary if the fair use precedent is to be set.

if you have proof that it is actually a VALID take down notice that is being ignored please post it and i will retract my statement.

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Soooooo at the end of the day, Gideon supports Piracy over fair use. That's what your statement is saying.. no wonder most people on here hate you and...

...I understand now why you don't come to shows. Big man on the board, no balls in real life.

you know the reason i don't show up at the shows, it a bitch move to try and argue that my keeping my word to prove a point shows a lack of balls in real life.

gideongallery · 05-05-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

Maybe you should actually read the lawsuit & the documents & judgments already disclosed versus basing your opinions off of a sentence of an Xbiz article. Our confidence in this case remains.

post the links i will go thru them and apologize if i am wrong.

PenisFace · 05-05-2010, 12:26 PM

People still defend Brazzers? Their tubes are some of the top websites on the whole of the internet. Tubes that are completely stuffed full of full length movies directly from paysites of other companies. DMCA this DMCA that, fuck that shit, a company shouldn't have to send 100 DMCA's a day in the first place, and another company shouldn't be able to hide behind DMCA's, effectively letting them get rich from stolen goods. Oh, we've been using one of your 40 minute long videos for the better part of a month to display banner ads to live jasmine and dating programs. You want us to take it down? Okay, we will... We've already made like $3,000 from the ads on the page that was there thanks to the movie that was stolen from you.

Have a nice day!

TheDoc · 05-05-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

yes but all brazzers sites have takedown policies in place.
this about going above and beyond that because the same content keeps getting put back up.

the fact that one person doesn't want to spend the millions to defend his fair use right of commentary doesn't mean that the fair use right of commentary doesn't exist.

so the next person who uploads the exact same content has to be given the same chance to choose to defend that right if they want too.

The upload link doesn't allow you to upload... let me rephrase that, users/visitors/surfers can't upload to them.

So unless the magic Internet fairy is doing it......

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

proof please

Proof? That one username that does all the uploads sure does have a lot of memberships... I don't remember the URL but someone broke it all down once for us... other than that, proof will come out in discoveries.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

based on the statements and documenation i have seen the arguement is based on concept that content returning after being taken down is an infringement not an actual ignoring of the take down notice

as i pointed out above there is a legitimacy to letting that happen. it is necessary if the fair use precedent is to be set.

if you have proof that it is actually a VALID take down notice that is being ignored please post it and i will retract my statement.

You haven't read any documentation on this... at all, you have read the two news reports posted on xbiz.

How do I post proof? One it's not my Content, two... do they send back an email that say sorry, we aren't responding?

Proof is in the Court case...

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you know the reason i don't show up at the shows, it a bitch move to try and argue that my keeping my word to prove a point shows a lack of balls in real life.

No, it means you only have the balls to spew crap that you know is bullshit because you know it makes no difference in the end. Even when you're wrong.

If you were standing in front of peoples faces, you wouldn't say this shit - because you know it's crap.

Allison · 05-05-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

post the links i will go thru them and apologize if i am wrong.

We won't be uploading the documents for mass distribution, but you can access all the current filings at http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cou...ase_id-358534/ with your Pacer account (which I assume you or your legal advisers have).

gideongallery · 05-05-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

We won't be uploading the documents for mass distribution, but you can access all the current filings at http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cou...ase_id-358534/ with your Pacer account (which I assume you or your legal advisers have).

so my beef with your case is that you are either

attacking the fair use of commentary directly (based on the statement made)
hiding the real arguement and making anti fair use attacks publically to create the false impression that you superceded the context of commentary

you responded by saying

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Maybe you should actually read the lawsuit & the documents & judgments already disclosed versus basing your opinions off of a sentence of an Xbiz article. Our confidence in this case remains.

and you give me a link to non public documents that would require pay my lawyer to see.

There is no way looking at the documents would change the beef
because either

your case is accurately defined publically in the NON PUBLIC DOCUMENTS (beef 1)
your case has hidden proof not publically disclosed that will be the real justification for the win which means the public statement was anti-fair use FUD (beef 2)

i will ask again please provide me links to the "already disclosed" documents and judgements not the entire non public documentation.

gideongallery · 05-05-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The upload link doesn't allow you to upload... let me rephrase that, users/visitors/surfers can't upload to them.

So unless the magic Internet fairy is doing it......

well it looked like it worked i will do a test upload to confirm

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Proof? That one username that does all the uploads sure does have a lot of memberships... I don't remember the URL but someone broke it all down once for us... other than that, proof will come out in discoveries.

You haven't read any documentation on this... at all, you have read the two news reports posted on xbiz.

How do I post proof? One it's not my Content, two... do they send back an email that say sorry, we aren't responding?

Proof is in the Court case...

No, it means you only have the balls to spew crap that you know is bullshit because you know it makes no difference in the end. Even when you're wrong.

If you were standing in front of peoples faces, you wouldn't say this shit - because you know it's crap.

this started because you stated when i complained

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Actually they have direct copyright violations... which does violate fair use.

Don't try to argue over something that all the information you have is from news reports on a forum. I will make you look rather stupid.

it clearly implies that i am missing some PUBLIC information that you had that i missed that would change the oppinion i would have on the case.

yet you can't present any proof.

so what you ment to say (assuming you weren't deliberately trying to mislead) was

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Actually CLAIM they have PROOF of direct copyright violations ... which does not violate fair use
and i believe them even though i have seen no proof

if your right then their current PUBLIC statements are FUD in attempt to misrepresent their win for other reasons as a win that invalidates the concept of "check out my favorite model name clip" as commentary.

which as you know is one of my beefs with their public statements about the case.

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Allison Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: http://www.topbucks.com Posts: 2,068	I was just cleaning my office up a bit today and saw that I only had one 2 year old AVN Magazine still sitting in my office that I don't even remember when the last time I saw it was. The title of that issue was "Down the Tubes". I thought the article from back in February 2008 was a pretty interesting read even now: http://business.avn.com/articles/5774.html __________________ Allison President TopBucks.com\| PinkVisual.com\| [email protected] Follow Me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/PV_Alli ICQ: 120353154 Check out PVLocker.com

02-24-2010, 03:47 PM	#116
grumpy Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 9,870	when will it goto court? Have to bookmark that date. __________________ Don't let greediness blur your vision \| You gotta let some shit slide icq - 441-456-888

02-24-2010, 03:49 PM	#117
minddust Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,438	Way to go! Congratulations!

02-24-2010, 04:41 PM	#119
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Go Top Bucks! "Crush Kill and Destroy" __________________ Obey the Cowgod

05-04-2010, 11:27 PM	#120
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	WTF? Settlement Conference Slated for Pink Visual-Brazzers Case NEW YORK — Will the Pink Visual-Brazzers copyright suit end up in a settlement? A May 19 settlement conference date before U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew Peck was scheduled today, with an order for Pink Visual attorneys to provide a "confidential settlement memorandum" one week prior to the hearing. "[The proposal] should be the realistic settlement range of that party, not just the party's 'opening bid,'" Peck said in the order. "The settlement range in the settlement memorandum will be kept confidential by me and not disclosed to opposing counsel." Peck ordered both sides, including company officials and their insurance representatives, to be present at the May 19 hearing. Settlement conferences are often ordered by the court as a preliminary step to holding a trial or offered by case adversaries. Many times, those conferences end up as an impasse. Officials at Pink Visual declined comment on the matter; XBIZ was unable to reach Brazzers officials Thursday. Pink Visual maintains that Brazzers' parent company, Montreal-based Mansef Inc., operates a number of tube sites that permit users to upload and download infringing files, maintaining servers in New York. The sites at issue in Pink Visual's claims include KeezMovies.com, PornHub.com, ExtremeTube.com and Tube8.com, all owned by Mansef and Interhub, whose officers operate both companies as well as one of the best-known adult companies, Brazzers. Pink Visual's parent company, Ventura Content, claims that Brazzers systematically abuses the 45 Pink Visual-copyrighted videos. They point to Brazzers categorizing the infringing videos and providing the means for user to comment on, rate or virally distribute infringing videos. __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

05-04-2010, 11:28 PM	#121
Loch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,674	i just wanted to prply as it seems serious lol __________________ Contact us for Beta store access (4000 HD/SD productions) - Editing - Encoding/Post production ICQ - 277 862 930 E-mail casper /@/ cool-content.com

05-04-2010, 11:28 PM	#122
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	tho it was predicted that way :2cents: __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

05-05-2010, 02:52 AM	#124
Nautilus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,631	I hope they will not settle. __________________ . . FerroCash - 50+ quality niche paysites to promote \| 100K+ FHGs \| Check recently added galleries New sites \| Pantyhose \| Nylon \| Shemale \| Strapon \| Lesbian \| Mature/MILF \| Anal \| Old&Young \| Gay \| Feet Morphing RSS feeds - check them at the Official blog\| Page Peels (Sample 1 : Sample 2) Wish to review or evaluate our sites before promoting them? Contact me for free password. ICQ: 38.89.22.76 e-mail: support AT ferrocash.com

05-05-2010, 03:17 AM	#125
LoveSandra So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just Blow Me Posts: 10,551	fuuny shit

05-05-2010, 04:51 AM	#126
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i really hope they don't ultimately settle - need it to go to trial and a win. German appeal court just overturned a decision against Rapidshare. I don't think any of the lawsuits are going to be victories for content owners because the fucking laws as they are written now protect practically everybody who is involved in copyright infringement except the poor shmucks who actually produced and paid for the content. New laws are needed and fast. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-05-2010, 07:24 AM	#131
JA$ON Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: I'm from Downtown....Im from Mitch & Murry Posts: 1,329	it will be thrown out or settled for a small sum to avoid the trouble... Until the DMCA laws are fine tuned , these lawsuits do little , other than the lawyers a few bucks and get every tube hater's feathers all ruffled. Instead of bitching on here all the time, people should be bitching to their lawmakers. Im not saying Im FOR illegal tubes, but if they always have the dmca to point too, It seems that there is not alot you can do.

05-05-2010, 10:07 AM	#135
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	the doc is right on.. a lawsuit in itself is a way to settle a dispute by way of compensating the suing party. a mediation/settlement meeting is normal prior to actually going to court. should (PV) throw an outrageously amount in the settlement offer chances are the case will proceed to court. also to note is that often corporations have insurance companies backing them and it often becomes a case where the insurance carrier makes the decision to go to court or to pay the settlement as they are the one footing the bill, not only for the trial itself (lawyers are expensive) but also the settlement amount itself. __________________ "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

05-05-2010, 12:26 PM	#138
PenisFace Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,774	People still defend Brazzers? Their tubes are some of the top websites on the whole of the internet. Tubes that are completely stuffed full of full length movies directly from paysites of other companies. DMCA this DMCA that, fuck that shit, a company shouldn't have to send 100 DMCA's a day in the first place, and another company shouldn't be able to hide behind DMCA's, effectively letting them get rich from stolen goods. Oh, we've been using one of your 40 minute long videos for the better part of a month to display banner ads to live jasmine and dating programs. You want us to take it down? Okay, we will... We've already made like $3,000 from the ads on the page that was there thanks to the movie that was stolen from you. Have a nice day! __________________ Need custom blog posts or articles? Hit me up: Blog And Article Writer Yes, I can do any kind of custom orders, too! ICQ: 641204000