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lucPL · 09-09-2010, 12:42 PM

its funny that Chris M. had 20 million to sink in bad movie but dont have a few grand to hire more accountant people that could handle withdrawal request FAST

propably one guy is working on it and it will took him like 2 years to review every wire request

J. Falcon · 09-09-2010, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

As far as I am concerned , Epass is still the number 1 option for methd of payment in our industry right now and caters to us very well .
<sigh>

No offense, but how the fuck do you figure?

DEA - banned for life · 09-09-2010, 12:43 PM

seadevil · 09-09-2010, 12:43 PM

Second, ePassporte is working with the St. Kitts bank to work out how all payments will be made and when.<<<

Michael if Chris is working on ways to get people money to their destination does it mean that visa wont be working longer with epassporte? I mean that you are looking for alternative transfer methods besides very convenient epass card ATM withdrawal?

Michael O · 09-09-2010, 12:43 PM

We are sending out money via ACH and Original Credits these move faster since its an automated process.
Wires have to be handled manually and all employees are working overtime to send them out as quickly as possible.

Kiopa_Matt · 09-09-2010, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

As far as I am concerned , Epass is still the number 1 option for methd of payment in our industry right now and caters to us very well.

How does it currently "cater" to us? It doesn't bloody work at the moment.

V_RocKs · 09-09-2010, 12:44 PM

The only HAPPY thing from all of this...

Yesterday I requested an ACH into my bank account of the funds I had in my wallet.. Today they are in my account. Go figure...

chronig · 09-09-2010, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucPL

its funny that Chris M. had 20 million to sink in bad movie but dont have a few grand to hire more accountant people that could handle withdrawal request FAST

propably one guy is working on it and it will took him like 2 years to review every wire request

No no no sir, nothing to do with that, the money is gone, there is no dilbert in the basement processing the wire forms one by one

tranza · 09-09-2010, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elron

1 - Why did visa close your partnership program ?
2 - How come the money on prepaid cc's is still not accesable after a week ?
3 - Who is holding the funds on those prepaid cc's ?

Answer these 3 questions and i will trust you like trusted you all those years.

I second that. We need some real answers here.

Trax · 09-09-2010, 12:45 PM

Michael O: Bring one (1) webmaster here who has got a wire sent to them... screw a big backlog... even with a HUGE backlog at least 1 wire must have gone out.
You keep saying we should wait, but you have yet to state that you have already sent wires... bringing somebody to post proof that they have received a wire would calm people big way.

Stef. · 09-09-2010, 12:46 PM

no news is no news...

TIME FOR PUNISHMENT!

../ à la Ponzi?

2intense · 09-09-2010, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEA

please stop,is not funny

J. Falcon · 09-09-2010, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

The only HAPPY thing from all of this...

Yesterday I requested an ACH into my bank account of the funds I had in my wallet.. Today they are in my account. Go figure...

Yeah I wish I had used my wallet and not the Visa Electron, like epass advised us to.

spazlabz · 09-09-2010, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

I second that. We need some real answers here.

it is becoming more and more obvious that we will not get any of those any time soon

this statement really needs to be amended and real information added

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2010, 12:47 PM

Eeery similarities:

Quote:

iBill Update
We just posted this on CMI:

September 29, 2004 iBill Clients: Please know that paying our clients is our highest priority. iBill is continuing to negotiate the release of settlement funds being withheld by First Data in order to pay our clients. In addition to our continued negotiations with First Data, we are working on freeing up additional capital to speed up the remittance of past due payments to our clients.

As you all know, we have been working through the difficult issue of transitioning our domestic IPSP business to our new domestic merchant bank at a pace that was faster than what was initially proposed or had been planned. In order to ensure proper compliance for our US sponsored merchants we will not be accepting Visa transactions until each US sponsored merchant has completed their new iBill merchant agreement with our new domestic bank. All US clients will continue to have the ability to offer MasterCard, Discover, JCB, American Express, Online checks, Web 900 and WebPhone. iBill account managers will have agreements available on Friday, October 1st. Planned implementation is scheduled for as early as Friday, October 8th.

To further clarify, iBill EU clients are not affected by this and will continue to process Visa without interruption.

Going forward, iBill will continue to operate under three business models:

1) iBill Direct US. iBill has an agreement with a domestic association-registered party. This involves processing and settling with a domestic bank. In this model, iBill will sponsor and accept the risk on behalf of our clients. Not only will clients have the ability to take advantage of the iBill products and services that they know today ? 24X7 customer service, risk management, RevShare affiliate program, and password management ? but, they will now be funded directly by the bank and will have the option to be funded daily. We are extremely excited about this program and feel that it puts us steps ahead of our competition.

2) iBill EU. iBill will continue its current processing relationship in the EU. The program services remain the same and will continue to be expanded. We are also moving forward with establishing a direct merchant relationship with our EU processor and bank. This option will be similar to iBill Direct US, which allows for direct funding from the bank.

3) Asia-Pacific Merchant. iBill has established a merchant relationship in the Asia-Pacific region. More details to follow next week.

We appreciate all of the support that our clients have given us over the last few days. We know how serious this matter is to you. Please be assured that everyone here at iBill is working diligently to correct these matters so that we can all return to business as usual.

Sincerely,
Your iBill Team

That BS continued for years and in the end most people were not paid.

I understand that the statement from ePass tried to draw a distinction regarding their business model, but when they cannot tell anyone after a week (4 business days) the simplest reason for the their accounts being frozen, something is not right.

I lost over $30,000 with iBill who "intended to pay", assured me my money was safe, and valued me as a client, and in the end all that they gave me was a worthless promissory note.

I hope all of you fair better than that and can eventually recover your money.

ADG

ContentPimp · 09-09-2010, 12:47 PM

So who is going to get off their keyboard and go down to the bank in person?

HighlyIntoxicated · 09-09-2010, 12:47 PM

I am certain epassporte is paying people to make positive posts on the situation.

Michael O · 09-09-2010, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikke

Michael, i sent You mail like 24h ago without any answer from You

Please resend then I have not received it.

blofer80 · 09-09-2010, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael O

We are sending out money via ACH and Original Credits these move faster since its an automated process.
Wires have to be handled manually and all employees are working overtime to send them out as quickly as possible.

AGAIN, please answer this, how can it be that nobody got even a notification about outgoing wire if all employees are working to send them? You told us that also 2-3 days ago.

spazlabz · 09-09-2010, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Eeery similarities:

That BS continued for years and in the end most people were not paid.

I understand that the statement from ePass tried to draw a distinction regarding their business model, but when they cannot tell anyone after a week (4 business days) the simplest reason for the their accounts being frozen, something is not right.

I lost over $30,000 with iBill who "intended to pay", assured me my money was safe, and valued me as a client, and in the end all that they gave me was a worthless promissory note.

I hope all of you fair better than that and can eventually recover your money.

ADG

Damn You and your flawless dot connecting!

panchodog's izzy · 09-09-2010, 12:49 PM

Like many on this forum, my main source of income pretty much comes via E-Pass, so this is definitely a bad spot to be in. However, ever since I got some funds stolen from me last year or so (situation E-pass resolved for me, by the way), I keep all my cash on the virtual wallet, which cushioned the blow, even though I am still waiting on my wire, as countless others are. I want to see the glass half full, since I was lucky to have money in the bank at this time, and not all eggs in just one basket, so at least I have some money on my side to pay the bills and buy groceries for the next couple of weeks. I can't imagine how hard it must be for those who got all their funds caught up and can't access their money or have any cash on them to pull through while this situation gets resolved (however that may work out).

beta-tester · 09-09-2010, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

I second that. We need some real answers here.

we won't get them soon... i am off and definitely not gonna waste my time on this anymore...

When they have real news they'll update us, or we'll be just waiting and hoping.... For me, who has really a lot of money stuck there all of this is very very stressful, but I can't handle it anymore and lose my days constantly refreshing the forum and hoping for some real news....

over and out

flashfire · 09-09-2010, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

Michael O: Bring one (1) webmaster here who has got a wire sent to them... screw a big backlog... even with a HUGE backlog at least 1 wire must have gone out.
You keep saying we should wait, but you have yet to state that you have already sent wires... bringing somebody to post proof that they have received a wire would calm people big way.

Thats just it, no matter how big the backlog we dont have one person who has got their wire.

IllTestYourGirls · 09-09-2010, 12:50 PM

What is a ACH and how do I do one? I am located in the US

blofer80 · 09-09-2010, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

Michael O: Bring one (1) webmaster here who has got a wire sent to them... screw a big backlog... even with a HUGE backlog at least 1 wire must have gone out.
You keep saying we should wait, but you have yet to state that you have already sent wires... bringing somebody to post proof that they have received a wire would calm people big way.

I agree, show us 1 person who got his wire sent.

Naughty-Pages · 09-09-2010, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

This is the fastest moving thread ever. God Damn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cradle

lol appears so, my reply was pushed 10 spots down with everyone replying

No shit.. it was 2 pages long and I was trying to read all of the posts before I replied..

just hit refresh and 2 more pages popped up just in the time it took me to get half way through page 2.. so I am just gonna say what i was gonna say without reading the rest or i will probably be here for hours lol..

Anywhoo.. I wanted to say:

Michael O:
This is not the statement that was going to be released today was it???
This is just you making your own statement correct?

V_RocKs · 09-09-2010, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Yeah I wish I had used my wallet and not the Visa Electron, like epass advised us to.

Haha... that was only about 1/8th of the total cash... and if I had used the wallet and went through the extra step... I'd have it all.. damn!

beta-tester · 09-09-2010, 12:52 PM

about the wires... what I was told from another ePass representative is this:

Quote:

We are just
waiting to have this issue resolved before we can continue to process all
wire disbursement requests.

...

Relentless · 09-09-2010, 12:53 PM

Michael, strictly from a PR standpoint. If you have no news to share, you would have been better off saying something like:

We are working day and night to solve the problem. The reason we aren't posting detailed messages on GFY is that we know people here will parse each sentence looking for hidden meanings or make up false meanings for anything that we communicate - so it really is not helpful for us to give you partial details of the news when we are hopeful that we will actually have complete news available for you soon.

Our primary job is getting your money available for you to use as quickly as possible - so we are allocating all of our time and effort to the task of tracking down every possible method of completing that mission as quickly as possible, rather than taking the enormous amount of time needed to draft pretty memos that mean nothing while your money remains in limbo. We are aware that any message other than 'your funds are now available' is not going to be sufficient to keep our clients happy. Let us get you your money back NOW and we will be glad to talk all about what happened and how we solved it after that important work is completed. Your money is safe, our company is rock solid and as soon as we are able to announce that your funds are available we will be glad to do so.

Saying news will be available tomorrow really created a spotlight that could only backfire...

tranza · 09-09-2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

For me, who has really a lot of money stuck there all of this is very very stressful, but I can't handle it anymore and lose my days constantly refreshing the forum and hoping for some real news....

I have over $13k with them.

Steiger · 09-09-2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

we won't get them soon... i am off and definitely not gonna waste my time on this anymore...

When they have real news they'll update us, or we'll be just waiting and hoping.... For me, who has really a lot of money stuck there all of this is very very stressful, but I can't handle it anymore and lose my days constantly refreshing the forum and hoping for some real news....

over and out

same thing here...

TrafficHolder · 09-09-2010, 12:53 PM

Michael,

If money on wallet is possible to withdraw, why our withdrawal
request submitted at Friday early morning still not processed?

Why support in business department (Jefrey) tells me - he does not know
when ePassporte will send wire???

I've sent this form many times, money on a business account, on wallet.

User ID: thcompany
Wire request submitted: 3 of September
No payment issued: during 6 days for now.

I will post on board few times a day to inform people if wire still
not issued.

Thank you.
TH MEDIA

Fat Panda · 09-09-2010, 12:53 PM

your money is gone, take a screenshot and claim it as a business loss, goodbye

USA · 09-09-2010, 12:54 PM

I want my money!

DEA - banned for life · 09-09-2010, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Haha... that was only about 1/8th of the total cash... and if I had used the wallet and went through the extra step... I'd have it all.. damn!

sucks for you...

beta-tester · 09-09-2010, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

I have over $13k with them.

couple of times more!!!

LongBG · 09-09-2010, 12:55 PM

Wow this is such great news, i'll be sure to pass it on to my baby. I'm sure he will not feel so hungry now......

I'm lucky I don't actually have a kid, but i'm sure people are in that situation.. C'mon ePass man up and do something productive.

zeuse · 09-09-2010, 12:55 PM

Has anyone with real funds tied up taken legal advice?

Forkbeard · 09-09-2010, 12:55 PM

After seven days, you don't have ANY new information for us?

That's not very plausible.

andrej_NDC · 09-09-2010, 12:56 PM

Epass just charged me $35 for a visa card renewal. Can't wait to get it.

punkpred · 09-09-2010, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee

so no any real news...

Right, its simply the same stuff they said last Friday just worded differently.

fatfoo · 09-09-2010, 12:57 PM

Thank you for telling us the money is safe. You run a good bank.

vano · 09-09-2010, 12:57 PM

why is Malick lying about VISA freezing the money? VISA said all money are accessible trough St Kitts bank.

DavieVegas · 09-09-2010, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

about the wires... what I was told from another ePass representative is this:

...

I was told the same when i called about a simple issue on my account today and i didnt even ask about it. I asked about my virtual visa and the status...I got no response other then we have no idea

. FML

ladida · 09-09-2010, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael O

We are sending out money via ACH and Original Credits these move faster since its an automated process.
Wires have to be handled manually and all employees are working overtime to send them out as quickly as possible.

Can ANYONE actually attest to receiving a wire from their wallet. If you all are working on it, there must have been at least 1000 wires sent out from friday no? Where are those people? I know mine's not been processed (and all of my friends), and the funds are in the wallet.

VforVendetta · 09-09-2010, 12:57 PM

Michael is possible know if Virtual Visa will work in the future or not ? If not i move my payout on Payoneer

JenC · 09-09-2010, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

What is a ACH and how do I do one? I am located in the US

ACH is your checking account. If you have funds in your wallet and not your Virtual Visa, you can withdraw them into your checking account (ACH).

DEA - banned for life · 09-09-2010, 12:58 PM

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BetChips · 09-09-2010, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

we won't get them soon... i am off and definitely not gonna waste my time on this anymore...

When they have real news they'll update us, or we'll be just waiting and hoping.... For me, who has really a lot of money stuck there all of this is very very stressful, but I can't handle it anymore and lose my days constantly refreshing the forum and hoping for some real news....

over and out

I am with you.... Sorry to hear your in the same boat. I can't handle this stress anymore, I wish we would get some more answers. This is gonna have a great effect on my current living situation and things going on in my life right now. This has royally put a damper on my current plans. I can't believe this is happening. Time to go smoke a pack of cigs

DEA - banned for life · 09-09-2010, 12:59 PM

wowthi sucks so bad

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seadevil Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 56	Second, ePassporte is working with the St. Kitts bank to work out how all payments will be made and when.<<< Michael if Chris is working on ways to get people money to their destination does it mean that visa wont be working longer with epassporte? I mean that you are looking for alternative transfer methods besides very convenient epass card ATM withdrawal?

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	Michael O: Bring one (1) webmaster here who has got a wire sent to them... screw a big backlog... even with a HUGE backlog at least 1 wire must have gone out. You keep saying we should wait, but you have yet to state that you have already sent wires... bringing somebody to post proof that they have received a wire would calm people big way.

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