Robbie

100 gold digging girls...

No you're not. You don't even understand. So how could you be "jealous"?

Just know that to have YOU try to talk down to me is amusing to say the least. I earned everything I am. And I've forgotten more about the entertainment biz than you'll ever know.

Now go count that pornhub money made off the backs of others, and next time you get pissed at somebody else...try and not let my name escape your dick skinners.

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JP-pornshooter

two sides of every story
Kelly can be somewhat of a gold digger but no matter what it has nothing to do with Manwin. Shooters (myself) included are independent. There is a reason we carry insurance, though i am not sure it would cover all that much in this case.
Do I think she was treated properly? Not at all but that shows more about Mr Johnny compassion than anything else..
She should have been given care right away, then rescheduled the shoot.

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Roald

im asking you again Fabian, why????

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Nathan

Trying to be funny huh? You are right though, I am not jealous, sorry

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Nathan

Haha

Seriously, I was eating some italian and sitting in front of the PC a bit bored so I started to surf GFY.... European offices are closed for the day (8pm), Canada is at lunch and LA I have nothing to discuss with right now... In roughly 20 minutes people in Canada will be coming back from lunch so I'll be a bit busier ...

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sinclair

I heard about that one and I live in freaking Ohio. You wont hear about it, it involves major bros and board whores. And as to not living in LA, has been a great thing for me since I left a decade ago.

I know Kelly and have worked with her, and I got a pretty good idea why. But point taken.

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Fabian Thylmann, the biggest porn tycoon on the planet, is having a meltdown.

Here is an exact quote you made in this thread on page 1:

"In case something happens again" refers to what happened to a performer (in this case Kelly was burnt) getting hurt again, and then you say "we can all watch (the) video together", followed immediately by:

"Won't that be fun?!"

I'm not sure what you think I twisted. They're your words!

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Nathan

Right, which is what I said "The only place I said anything similar was regarding posting proof that some performer lies about what happened"

Think before you post ADG ;)

Oh, and a meltdown looks very very different...

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WHAT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS STORY?
We do not know the other side to this story.

WHAT DID THE PRODUCER DO WRONG?
Nothing that I can see, even from the model?s complaint, that caused this accident. However, according to the model he promised to get her medical attention following the shoot. Having made that promise he should have done that, it would have cost $100 or less at the nearest urgent care center. He could have added it to the invoice. Follow through on your promise, just like you expect from someone making a promise to you.

IS THIS A WORKERS COMPENSATION CLAIM?
Models are traditionally considered independent contractors in this industry, but CAL OSHA has made clear they consider them employees. So the producer may have an exposure to workers compensation claim plus penalties, but even if he wins the issue that she is an independent contractor he incurs crippling legal fees. He should have followed through with the promised medical attention and insisted even if she declined.

WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS?
Here she is surrounded by photographers and there is no decent photo of the injury. Where is the photo of the scar? Maybe it can?t be seen.

DAMAGES?
Here is where the rubber meets the road.

Porn model gets a tiny burn resulting in a tiny scar to her ankle and claims she can?t work and needs laser therapy and skin grafts to return her to her all natural look. The suggested claim here is that the scar will detract from her appearance causing her to loose work. The scar, whatever it?s appearance, is located at the most distant part of the body from the focus of her adult modeling ? her face and her pussy. The truth is the ankle will not even be in the photos and video where her pussy and/or face are featured, and is in all likelihood covered by a pair of platform shoes anyhow. But, that ugly tattoo of a bug located on her abdomen close to the pussy, is OK? I would take the scar, no matter how ugly, over the tattoo any day. Maybe she should forget the ankle and concentrate on that stupid tattoo.

I am wondering why she can?t work because of a tiny scar on her ankle? If she gets a settlement I?m taking bets she gets more tattoos.

BOTTOM LINE:

PRODUCER made a promise and should have followed through with it. Just treat her the way you would like to be treated and you are likely to be in good shape. The model finished the shoot, you should have given her the medical treatment you promised.

MODEL can?t expect to retire on an inconsequential injury, go visit a burn center and with your renewed appreciation of your good fortune from that experience go back to work, with a smile on your face.

BRAZZERS isn?t responsible for anything here, but under the ?deep pockets? concept you are probably facing some expense defending yourself so figure out a way to get the best PR from it.

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Robbie, help!

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

There you go again, Fibbing Fabian. You disemble. The thought above was NOT in your original quote which I cited from page 1.

If so, you might have written something more like this:

"This thread gave me an idea though, I'll start having our directors film to get proof in case some performer lies about what happened, and then we can all watch the video together (and see proof of the purported lie).

In that case though, "Won't that be fun?!", doesn't really seem to fit.

What you wrote, and I quote exactly again:

Perhaps the people that you surround yourself with on the Manwin payroll tell you that you are infallible, but to the rest of us, it becomes more obvious with each passing day that an inexperienced boy is the public face of Manwin, he isn't as smart as he thinks he is, and he doesn't have control of things as much as the Manwin press releases would have people believe.

ADG

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NATS programmer geek to porn tycoon is 3 years time... an inspiration to us all.



It's funny how Fabian is baited into all of these threads. The "managing partner" / sole owner of Manwin worth 100M's and claims that he spends more on photo shoots a month than most of us have ever made in adult... takes the time to come argue about a model who burned her leg from an exhaust pipe during a shoot. Obviously they have several production crews, which are contracted out and handle all of this. He probably never heard about it till now much less was he there or was involved in any way. But yet, he takes the bait and comes in here fighting with everyone and trying to defend himself, just like all the other 100M porn tycoon owners do lol

Something as minor as that wouldn't even be acknowledged by most big companies, much less would the owner be defending something like that publicly, especially when there is litigation pending.

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Grapesoda

you're out of line larence

papill0n

fuck the scum at brazzers

if you want to support the biggest pieces of shit in adult send your traffic to brazzers

sperbonzo

Now THAT seems the most sensible post of this whole thread...

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Due

Interesting subject that a lot of people can learn from. Not just if you shoot porn.

I assume the model was an independent contractor ?
Was the shooter independent hired or on salary ?

If it's 1099 income then almost guaranteed the girl is responsible for her own well being, if she get hurt and can't work it's still a contract breach unless there is a clause in the contract about it. Hence it's also her responsibility to make sure she have insurance covering herself, even when working since she technically work for herself.

It's also possible the liability is with her agent.

Initially I'd probably offer some help to the model if she was reasonable, at this stage I'd feel obligated to go to court to defend myself and my company since I wouldn't want to assume responsibility over contractors if something more serious ever happened (i.e.: sexual diseases, aids/hiv etc etc)

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GonZo

Fabian hasnt changed much back from the early days when he was prancing around as "Nathan" with the same indignant mouth he had back then.

He just got a better job.

He still isnt very good at this....

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Nathan: I think it's your TONE that people are having issues with here. Whether something is liable or not is a legal distinction, one not to be settled here. However, your cavalier attitude, then justifying it by pointing fingers, is painting you as something less than professional, mean-spirited and cocky. Now I assume you are none of these things but I would think being nothing but sympathetic - REGARDLESS of what "the truth" may be, or what liability there is - would be the smart PR move, no?

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Nathan

MisterPeabody,

absolutely. And we are looking into it. But I do not post this here, why would I? It's much more fun to aggravate ADG...

Seriously though, this is between the producer and the talent, and somewhat also us in extension from the producer. And it is being dealt with. It has nothing to do on a board with half-truths and misinformation by people like ADG just because they do not like me...

I heard of this recently since, as she herself said, she did not talk about it to anyone until it was posted on MikeSouth. These kinds of things are handled internally, and do not have usually get touched by me.

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JFK

must of been at Easter

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marcop

Everything that happens during shoot is ultimately the responsibility of the producer. So producers MUST have liability insurance to protect themselves, and their cast and crew in case of accident. There's a thread on another board that claims the producer in this case was uninsured. Which, if true, is stupid because liability insurance is pretty cheap for the amount of coverage given.

In the 13 years that I've been shooting, only one client (for custom video) and one location demanded to see my certificate of insurance before working with me.

DBS.US

Take a break, ice her leg down, give her a hug.

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this thread has certainly been educational

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Let's see, I quoted you verbatim in my last two posts, so I guess that means that if there are half-truths and misinformation, it originated from you.

ADG

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GonZo

It apparently impressed GoGo....
Got to hand it to him though it is impressive when you think about it.

In my opinion theres no better place to work prior to Manwin than one that has access to everyones entire business plan.
Again in my opinion .... when you think about it - its genius... before you hatch a plan to swipe content and profit on it you first learn your competitors monthly income, best traffic sources and hell their best customers.

In my opinion that would allow you to know who to take from both as in whats the most profitable as well as who would have the income to put up a legal defense.

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will76

So you are saying.... in you opinion that the information learned from being a NATS Programmer/employee/owner and the stats that gives you access to was very beneficial for later business deals.

One thing I find interesting is I have never seen John comment about Fabian, good or bad (at all) since he left Nats. I wonder what stories these guys could tell about each other.

Was Fabian partners with John when they had porn graph ??

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will76

When you go from programmer Geek taking orders from John Albright to being put in charge of a 100M porn empire, you can see how it can go to someone's head and they can parade around like they are the shit now because they can throw someone else's money around. Clearly, no other *owner* of a porn empire with hundreds of millions would be on GFY slugging it out with us trolls over trivial stuff like a model getting a little burn on her leg from a tail pipe at a porn shot from a company that was contracted by manwin, not even owned by them. That, more than other reason (and there are several) are why I think Fabian is just a front guy who got back by some big money guys who didn't want to have their name tied to anything.

Do forget this is the guy who hired Bob Rice as "Virage Media Limited as VP of Acquisitions and Mergers" then later said Bob Rice never worked for him and they just made that up. But yet there were press releases and several posts made about it.


But yet Fabian just said recently:


LOL caught in another lie Fabian. Now you say "an outside consultant" but yet your own press releases said he was hired for an " executive position with Virage Media Limited as the VP of Acquisitions and Mergers.." lol = "outside consultant" worker.... lol niggga please. That lie is as bad as the one that you own Manwin and all of its properties as the sole, or even primary owner.

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will76

but I like to run my mouth and post about these issues on GFY when the occasion arises...


lol what a joke this guy is.

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eroticsexxx

Cant we all just get along?

I propose that I am given whatever title is necessary to take the flack for those who are being given said flack.

That would solve the problem at hand.

Make me CEO or something and I willingly will face the brunt of any and all shitstorms that said company may face.

Contact in sig.

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I still do not know why they continue to hire directors or producers that put themselves in harms ways,,,, any sensible person would of sought medical help, johnny thrust is not a pro and never will be.... I smell lawsuit...

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Im quoting Mike AI when I say "Being indignant is the last refuge of a cockholser".

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I wonder what Gary or Rick think about Assclown Bob Rice claiming he was the former owner of Ynot?

In my opinion the only thing Assclown Bob Rice "owned" was the bank account.

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GonZo

Quick someone save Manwin from the rogue director.... this sounds like a job for
Mr. Extreme... wonder if Fabian will loan him his scarf?

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Sometimes there are more than two versions to a story

Kelly's side which you read

Johnny's side which he came by and told me today

And somewhere in the middle what I recall.

In any event I am sure that this will be worked out shortly.

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The problem isn't getting traffic, it's converting it. You need 1,000s to get a sale. And 1,000s come.

Getting the 100,000s needed to make a decent living is the problem.

Thanks for quoting me telling the truth.

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will76

God you are a moron and know absolutely nothing about traffic. First of all talking about "traffic" in general is just plain retarded without knowing the quality of the traffic. For you to say "getting the 100,000s needed to make decent living is the problem" is par for the course for you. It's not hard to get 100K hits and you can still make shit from it if the traffic sucks.

Your original quote saying traffic is not king is bullshit. Traffic is king, but it's quality traffic, not trash traffic.

Your comments here saying if you can get 100K's of traffic you can make a living is more bullshit, if the that traffic sucks you aint making dick.

Stick to shooting content and talk about stuff that you at least know a little bit about.

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eroticsexxx

That last photo...

Why?

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I've never met Johnny Thrust, so after reading the negative comments about him in this thread, I was curious to know who this guy is that Brazzers / Manwin hires, instructs, and entrusts to direct movies for them.

I thought maybe Thrust was a noob considering the comedy of errors on his set for Brazzers / Manwin.

A Google search brought up two performers named Johnny Thrust.

One is a gay performer, and the other straight, so I am assuming that the straight Johnny Thrust is the one that Brazzers / Manwin employed:


Johnny Thrust

I know that I have seen this guy in some video scenes before, although nothing memorable about his performances stands out.

When I looked at his bio, it indicated that Johnny Thrust has been in the adult industry since 1995 (15+ years), working in hundreds of scenes as a performer, PA, and occasionally as a Director, making it even more inexplicable that he would expose himself and possibly Brazzers / Manwin to liability due to gross negligence.

However, after reading more about Johnny Thrust online, I am honestly surprised that Brazzers / Manwin would hire him as a Director in the first place - he comes off badly in the infamous Tanner Mayes BTS meltdown video, demonstrating a level of unprofessionalism that I have rarely seen before (the performer's condition and attitude notwithstanding):



After viewing Thrust's inability to professionally manage that situation on set (he made a bad situation worse), it is not difficult to see how things went so badly at the Brazzers / Manwin shoot, in which a performer he was directing for Brazzers / Manwin was injured, and then was allegedly not provided proper medical care.

Being a Director carries a lot more responsibility than being a mope in porn scenes (Thrust is frequently cast as a sleazeball/loser type - not a big acting stretch from what I can tell).

BTW, Tanner clearly appeared to be drunk or on drugs in the video too. This is confirmed in a subsequent interview with Tanner in which she states, "I was also on xanax and had been drinking on set".

One of the crew even later admitted that Tanner had been provided with alcohol, using the following as rationale:

NOTE: Tanner Mayes was NOT of legal drinking age (21) at the time. Furnishing alcohol to minors is illegal in California.

In her condition, she would never have even been allowed on my set. Instead the crew ridiculed, provoked, and antagonized, an obviously impaired and very upset performer, whom they had furnished with, and allowed to consume alcohol on their set.

They then edit the BTS tape (example, cutting away before Tanner was able to describe how she felt she had been molested on the set by Johnny Thrust), and release the video to further ridicule the performer. How professional. And these are the kind of people Brazzers / Manwin hires to produce content...

Fabian Thylmann likes to talk about professionalism, yet this is the caliber of "professional" that Brazzers / Manwin employs to direct their videos.

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