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Old 12-08-2011, 07:16 AM   #51
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Complain to ICANN:

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InterNIC Complaint Form

Thank you for visiting ICANN's Help Desk.

By completing this form, Internet users can initiate help from ICANN's Support Services in filing a grievance concerning a nonresponsive registrar or about enforcement of an alleged violation of the terms listed in the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA). Before filing a formal grievance, please visit the Helpful Hints page at http://www.internic.net/ for information regarding Internet domain name registration services.

Some domain name related issues can be resolved without ICANN's assistance. Examples are problems with obtaining your username and password or redirection of your name servers. We encourage you to try to resolve these issues informally with your registrar before filing a grievance with ICANN.

To initiate help, in the form below please select the specific issue you wish addressed. Check one issue per request and be as specific as possible about your concern. To assist us in directing complaints to the appropriate parties, please complete the form for each separate complaint.

ICANN itself does not resolve individual customer complaints. Instead, we refer your complaints to your registrar or other appropriate party, and follow up with them to make sure they are working with you to resolve your issues.
EVERYONE should be complaining whether you have an .xxx domain or not. Point out that the way the new .xxx tld is being managed is not in line with previous practices and brings up a number of potential ethics violations. If something like this happened to you then bring that up too.

With any luck ICM will be removed from management of the .xxx tld and it will be given to someone else or the whole thing will be dissolved.
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Old 12-08-2011, 07:18 AM   #52
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I think it is simply tech issues in interfacing between registrars.
Lame but not made in purpose, it is a developers fail.
Since icmregistry.com/whois/ does not display the owners yet (only a "reserved" for everyone), and I wanted to know who registered some domains, yesterday I was doing the whois in every registrar, i.e. godaddy, netsol etc., since they display the owner in whois for domains registered via them. And with my surprise some registrars was giving them as AVAILABLE!? I not remember what one, maybe directnic, but I was wondering what if someone registered it - eventually the answer is: they say sorry.
My guess it is that some registrar was updated nearly in realtime, while others too much delayer or totally disconnected with ICM's nic.xxx, so most or all who registered in that registrar a no more available .xxx, simply they got it as available and now a sorry.
Just a guess from a tech point of view, I am not an anti or pro xxx activist here.
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I think it is simply tech issues in interfacing between registrars.
Lame but not made in purpose, it is a developers fail.
Since icmregistry.com/whois/ does not display the owners yet (only a "reserved" for everyone), and I wanted to know who registered some domains, yesterday I was doing the whois in every registrar, i.e. godaddy, netsol etc., since they display the owner in whois for domains registered via them. And with my surprise some registrars was giving them as AVAILABLE!? I not remember what one, maybe directnic, but I was wondering what if someone registered it - eventually the answer is: they say sorry.
My guess it is that some registrar was updated nearly in realtime, while others too much delayer or totally disconnected with ICM's nic.xxx, so most or all who registered in that registrar a no more available .xxx, simply they got it as available and now a sorry.
Just a guess from a tech point of view, I am not an anti or pro xxx activist here.
The thing is, they sent out not just the purchase receipt on the domains, but they also sent out almost a day later, the email awarding and confirming the domains were ours. Had they never sent the confirmation email, I would chalk it up to tech error. But since they actually confirmed a day later, THEN took them away, something is wrong there.

I now know of two others who had the same thing happen. Smells to me like they are just fishing for good domains they missed that they can hold themselves and sell at a premium price later.
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I got my domains awarded to me. Fingers crossed they don't pull a DWB on me!
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I got my domains awarded to me. Fingers crossed they don't pull a DWB on me!
Took them almost 24 hours to take mine away. Hope you get to keep yours.
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Who is the "THEY" that said domains are yours, then sorry, there was an error? Your registrar, right? General Availability names (unlike Sunrise and Landrush) are on a first come, first served basis. Clearly what happened is that these names were in the queue at the Registrar, and the Registrar didn't get all the names they asked for. The process is automated. There is no "taking back."
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Who is the "THEY" that said domains are yours, then sorry, there was an error? Your registrar, right? General Availability names (unlike Sunrise and Landrush) are on a first come, first served basis. Clearly what happened is that these names were in the queue at the Registrar, and the Registrar didn't get all the names they asked for. The process is automated. There is no "taking back."


First come, first serve... I had these within 1 minute of them being on sale. I was officially awarded them a few hours later, confirming they were mine. I had "won" them. Then a day later... oops.

Yea, you shit bags have nothing to do with it. I'm sure. This sort of glitch probably happens all the time.
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What dot xxx describes happened to me... it was about 4 hours after general availability had started. I tried to register poo.xxx and bingo, I had it. But when I got the confirmation mail, all domains were there except poo.xxx . So someone must have registered it just before me. What you describe DWB really sounds like human manual intervention, so I believe you.

Dot xxx is it true that we can't publish scat content on an xxx domain? What law are you applying to xxx domains, the US law or law of the country where the domain owner resides?
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First come, first serve... I had these within 1 minute of them being on sale. I was officially awarded them a few hours later, confirming they were mine. I had "won" them. Then a day later... oops.

Yea, you shit bags have nothing to do with it. I'm sure. This sort of glitch probably happens all the time.
What do the domains come up as now? Are they registered by an individual or are they now reserved by ICM? If you were awarded the domains and then some other individual was awarded them instead, perhaps I can see that this is an error on the part of the registrar. I shouldn't even go that far, I don't have the details, but it just seems a little more understandable if it occurred in that way.

But, if the domains you were awarded were taken and then reserved by ICM, completely different story, in my opinion.
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Epic sleaze move.

Two of the names I got were premium names that somehow ICANN didn't reserve for themselves. So I got them. Directnic awarded me the domains.

Today, they contact me saying there was an error and those two domains are no longer mine.


Honestly, I expected such shenanigans. Curious if this happened to anyone else.
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what he said.
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What dot xxx describes happened to me... it was about 4 hours after general availability had started. I tried to register poo.xxx and bingo, I had it. But when I got the confirmation mail, all domains were there except poo.xxx . So someone must have registered it just before me. What you describe DWB really sounds like human manual intervention, so I believe you.
Yea, mine was a little different. They actually awarded me the domains. Like such:

Congratulations! You have been awarded the following .XXX domain(s):

********.xxx, ********.xxx

Please be advised that the domain(s) will be inserted into your directNIC account within the next 72 hours.

You must have a member ID from the ICM Registry in order for your domain to resolve. If you do not have a Member ID, please contact the ICM registry for information on how to obtain a Member ID at www.ICMRegistry.com.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

We appreciate your business and thank you for choosing us as your preferred domain registrar partner.

Sincerely,

Your directNIC Team


Then they came back a day later and said that was an error and they couldn't get the domains for me.


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What do the domains come up as now? Are they registered by an individual or are they now reserved by ICM? If you were awarded the domains and then some other individual was awarded them instead, perhaps I can see that this is an error on the part of the registrar. I shouldn't even go that far, I don't have the details, but it just seems a little more understandable if it occurred in that way.

But, if the domains you were awarded were taken and then reserved by ICM, completely different story, in my opinion.
Yes, they were awarded.

Now they say: Registration Failed

The other domains I bought all appeared as normal, as did these. Everything looked fine until I got the notice.

That's why I too think it's BS. Don't send out the mail saying you won them or was awarded them, if you're going to take them away a day later. How could they have screwed that up? I understand if I bought them and they came back then and said sorry, you can not have that domain. But awarding them and then taking them away, shady biz.

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Who is the "THEY" that said domains are yours, then sorry, there was an error? Your registrar, right? General Availability names (unlike Sunrise and Landrush) are on a first come, first served basis. Clearly what happened is that these names were in the queue at the Registrar, and the Registrar didn't get all the names they asked for. The process is automated. There is no "taking back."
So theoretically if you ever get subpenaed and it's found that indeed there were instances of "taking back" would this mean you and Lawley might be going to jail for fraud?
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Yes, they were awarded.

Now they say: Registration Failed

The other domains I bought all appeared as normal, as did these. Everything looked fine until I got the notice.

That's why I too think it's BS. Don't send out the mail saying you won them or was awarded them, if you're going to take them away a day later. How could they have screwed that up? I understand if I bought them and they came back then and said sorry, you can not have that domain. But awarding them and then taking them away, shady biz.
Registration Failed - Must mean I've been awarded the domains

What I meant in my other post was, did you do a whois search on who now owns the domains that were taken from you? Are they now registered to a different individual or are they registered as "Reserved by ICM Registry" or "Reserved by ICM Registry for Premium Generic Domain Names Program.
For more information please contact: [email protected]" ?
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All names were allocated on a first come, first served basis. Registrars had pre-order lists. Those went in at 11am. People all over the world were typing in their choices at 11am. We processed over fifty thousand names in the first 24 hours. Surely you can see where it's possible that these things happen in the communication between multiple registrars, and the Registry, even with everything being automated.
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Tbh, this could be your registrars fault.
Ive had the same thing happen to me with an ultra premium mainstream domain that expired. It was in my account, confirmed. 12 hours later i get a message there was an error and a jap dude was a couple nanosecs faster so they took it away from me.
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Tbh, this could be your registrars fault.
Ive had the same thing happen to me with an ultra premium mainstream domain that expired. It was in my account, confirmed. 12 hours later i get a message there was an error and a jap dude was a couple nanosecs faster so they took it away from me.
I think registrars fault if registered to another individual, something different if now reserved by ICM. Would you agree?
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they can take any domain at any time. i'm sure that everyone agrees to it in some tiny fine print. if you buy these domains you're at their mercy.

wait till people start building some businesses and making money, building traffic, and then POOF! icm yanks your domains with existing traffic.

like i said, wait till this board is a battlefield for all this .xxx drama. so and so stole my .xxx and i am the .com owner. icm stole my .xxx after i built up two years worth of traffic.

blah blah.

sorry you got hosed DWB, and i'm sure you expected nothing but that. anyone in adult webmastering supporting this via sales of domain names deserves what they get.

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Registration Failed - Must mean I've been awarded the domains

What I meant in my other post was, did you do a whois search on who now owns the domains that were taken from you? Are they now registered to a different individual or are they registered as "Reserved by ICM Registry" or "Reserved by ICM Registry for Premium Generic Domain Names Program.
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The whois just started showing about 10 minutes ago. The domains go to different people.

According to the whois info, they got the domain an hour after I did.

Created On: 06-Dec-2011 17:01:35 UTC

I got my email receipt of order at 16:09 UTC, and it came in a while after I bought it. I literally got them within a minute of general availability. So in theory, I probably bought them at 16:01 UTC, maybe faster, because I already had them in my cart and pressed to buy them at 16:00 on the dot. Auto fill the info and they were mine within a couple of seconds.

Oh well. Can't win them all. I expended shenanigans, and I got them.
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DWB, please email me with the two domains that DirectNic reversed so I can look into it. All communication will be kept confidential.
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would be interested in knowing what the whois info shows for them now as well.
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sorry you got hosed DWB, and i'm sure you expected nothing but that. anyone in adult webmastering supporting this via sales of domain names deserves what they get.
I expected an ass fucking somewhere, just wasn't sure how they were going to do it. I'm just happy it happened now and not in a year.

Good chance I'll sell my other .XXX names because now I don't trust them. Why build a site and spend time/money on it when they may take it later, do to an error? No thanks.
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Just don't fucking buy .xxx domains ! Can you imagine what these assholes will do next ?
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Perhaps DotXXX would care to step in and comment.
Yeah where's the 10$/hour post bot is now ?
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I expected an ass fucking somewhere, just wasn't sure how they were going to do it. I'm just happy it happened now and not in a year.

Good chance I'll sell my other .XXX names because now I don't trust them. Why build a site and spend time/money on it when they may take it later, do to an error? No thanks.
Yah, not slapping you in the face, just to be clear. I just know that everyone knows they are capable of this kind of stuff, based on the sleazyness of their actions to date.

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well with any land rush type of setting you are bound to have two people attempting to register within the same time period ...could this of happened and someone got it shortly before you did and the system didnt update to alert it was taken?
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If the whois information shows that the domains have been given to other individuals, I would say the blame is to be placed on the registrar, not ICM. Of course, blaming the registrar is tough when dealing with such a massive amount of registrations occurring. It's just a shitty situation. I hope you at least scored some other great domains!
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In case it was missed - DWB, please email me with the two domains that DirectNic reversed so I can look into it. All communication will be kept confidential.
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EVERYONE should be complaining whether you have an .xxx domain or not. Point out that the way the new .xxx tld is being managed is not in line with previous practices and brings up a number of potential ethics violations. If something like this happened to you then bring that up too.
I agree you should inform ICANN as this may not be an isolated incident and ICANN could have already received similar complaints from others in your same situation.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:55 PM   #89
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DWB, Further to your email to customer support we have looked into this and it was clearly an error on DirecNIC's part, for which we believe they have admitted and apologized to you.

The names in question were both purchases within 95 seconds of the registry opening by two separate registrants via Name.com.

It appears however that there are other, similar names available, including one premium domain if you would like to contact me to discuss.
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:04 PM   #90
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So who owns names like milf.xxx ?
Who is NAmedia? Same people that started the whole xxx thing?
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:11 PM   #91
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So who owns names like milf.xxx ?
Who is NAmedia? Same people that started the whole xxx thing?
I am pretty sure that Namedia is Frank Schilling's group. They are the ones that are going to basically try to sell those premium names back to the good folks of the adult world probably since I don't think they are in the adult biz to begin with.
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:25 PM   #92
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In case it was missed - DWB, please email me with the two domains that DirectNic reversed so I can look into it. All communication will be kept confidential.
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Old 12-08-2011, 04:01 PM   #93
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That is exactly what they did.

After you buy a domain, you have to get a ICANN ID in order to activate it. That's when they can look at your domain and decide if they want it or not.

I'm not really upset over it, that's what I get for buying a couple. But I think it's funny that it's playing out exactly how people thought it would.
Yep, that's exactly what I'd expect from dealing with scumbags. It'll be fun to watch what happens a year from now aster sites are developed and they do the same type of thing with renewals. They wouldn't do that on renewals, right? That would be a scummy thing to do. Yes, it will be scummy but not surprising because we know they are scumbags.
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Old 12-08-2011, 04:17 PM   #94
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Yep, that's exactly what I'd expect from dealing with scumbags. It'll be fun to watch what happens a year from now aster sites are developed and they do the same type of thing with renewals. They wouldn't do that on renewals, right? That would be a scummy thing to do. Yes, it will be scummy but not surprising because we know they are scumbags.
When we got them, losing them was the last thing on my mind. I thought maybe we'd get hit with another fee to get the member ID with ICM or something else, but it never crossed my mind that things would not be lined up right with the registrars or that this problem would happen.

It did put me on guard and make me question what is going on even more, and I feel like a jack hole because we could have replaced them with other names if I would have been alerted soon enough. Now, the best names are either gone or reserved. I'd rather have a couple "just in case" in the odd event that something tragic down the road happens to .com and adult sites. I looked at it more as insurance than anything.

Directnic has since written me and apologized and took the blame, saying they simply could not secure them for me. I feel like they are blowing smoke up my ass because I don't understand why they would send a confirmation email and "award" them to me if the domains were not secured in the first place. You'd think they would have the process down by now regardless of the tld. We have over 200 domains with them and have never had a single issue with them until now.

*sigh*

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Lost WHO.EU a decade back, but AFAIK it was the registrar's scam.

BLA.XXX is in my name and it's a goodun'. http://icmregistry.com/whois/
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:58 AM   #100
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This is funny, for years this board bitched about tubes, now you all run multiple tube empires.

Recently you have all been bitching about .xxx , but guess what everybody is registering multiple domains !
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