Originally Posted by xxxman2 (Post 19047406)

Hi, Mr King
how about
rapidgator.net
netload.in
?

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19047409)

Sue them, get their member info, get money, swap links, sue downloaders, do what you have to do, but don't lie for those bottom feeders.

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19047399)

Hey everyone, I just read through everything.

For the Aussie that's turned up, these blokes haven't been properly rogered by me yet, wait til I get really pissed off then i'll go as feral as Mark Latham in a taxi! Cheers mate, it is hard work but it's worthwhile.

To the AVN criticisms, to be fair AVN contacted me overnight and we're speaking on Monday.

To the ideas Mr Peabody has about methods, let's talk about those later :)

To the absolute dirt bags hopping on ICQ with veiled threats and who keep sending me hate emails, don't you realize that pissed off Aussies don't back down ? If you were a bit nicer and cut with the threats then I might try and reason with you.

Two thing file lockers need to realize.

1. Clean up your act and I'll work with you. I'm reasonable, the industry is reasonable but you have to take efforts to clean up your business. If you are honest about doing so then you have nothing to fear about us. We will even help you do it!

2. Keep pissing me off and I will find all the real evidence there is and report to authorities, post to public for all to see and ensure you never run a file locker again (I don't care how big your fucking company is). Got that ?

Gozarian summed it up nicely, us Aussies are thick skinned bastards who when go on a mission, will complete it to the very end. It's part of our spirit. The Eureka Stockade, Gallipoli, The Kokoda trail, the list goes on. We're fighters and I've woken up really pissed off this morning, so file lockers, do the right thing or watch out.

Also a little note, you might get me but you can't get all the people helping me, the volunteers, the staff, the contributors, the methods, the reports, the credit card processors action, the work of Paypal, the list goes on and on. So just fucking back off or i'll go from nuclear to thermonuclear.

right. Good Morning chaps. I feel much better now, who's up for a morning cuppa! ?

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans (Post 19047400)

I am guessing that some of you guys have never been in a case where they negotiate back and forth like this. Offer one thing, withdraw it, offer another, and back and forth.

Few main things to keep in mind.

1 is that the offer was withdrawn in 1-2 days, and if you look at the dates you see the Randazza guy was hard as heck on Oron after those offers in court.

2 is that Randazza is paid by Liberty. While he would love to do this for all website owners his first obligation is to Liberty and to maximize the settlement in favor of the client that is paying him (even if not perfect for ALL webmasters).

3 We all could have hired him BEFORE Liberty did and we ALL could have gone after Oron before Liberty did. We didn't - and for those of you that visit the XBiz forum you might remember that back in April there was a topic going about many people putting in money for a suit like this and only ONE person ever sent a dime. Just one person... seems hundreds of webmasters had the chance to get involved and didn't.

4 Strategically, Liberty / Randazza might be pulling the smartest move available. $400,000 settlement is one thing. A $250,000 with Oron that includes all user data might very well be better... because that user data would do two things... bring future settlements with direct uploaders and take those direct uploaders out of actions forever!

He might be the smartest damn lawyer in the business - but he is acting in the best interests of his client as he is obligated to do - and that might not seem great to you and me, but damn he sure is taking care of the guys PAYING HIM.

Originally Posted by Gozarian (Post 19047153)

was a tip of the hat, how could you read it any other way? King is the dinky-di and he is rooting all their payment sources - gotta love it -

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19047470)

Are you using some translator to create Aussie slang? I only ask because it reads like you have - as in that is not how the slang is used.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19047292)

I think you are mis-reading it. Seems more like Oron would become like the "legit tubes" and work with content partners and have a vested interest in protecting those partners.

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19047488)

I hate to say it but I have a mate in Darwin who talks EXACTLY like that. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19047493)

Ie I said to a shop assistant the other day "what is old mate doing?" and pointed to another shop assistant and they looked at me like I was speaking Chinese. Kind of sad really.

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19047520)

I'm off for a bit of a rest guys, new comments on the blog have been approved, some funny ones there. There won't be too much killing action over the weekend as the card companies and Paypal teams are off until Monday.

We're working hard on a collaboration system for everyone else getting involved.

More updates coming soon.

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19044415)

We think we've blocked the initial attack, there are two of them going on. Is the site loading now for people ?

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19047141)

Theo....Eric....

For Gods sake pin this thread....show some fucking support and leadership here will ya.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19047264)

Here is the settlement: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5xc0xsw0rnx9ak/4JvrzADupd

Some real scum bag shit in there.

Originally Posted by Gozarian (Post 19047269)

TorrentFreak intimates that a deal has been struck between the parties to settle the case. If true this is troubling especially in light of what TorrentFreak is reporting, that Oron agreed to Liberty's offer of "some public relations help for Oron in order to minimize the chance of other lawsuits being brought against it”.

If true, all I can say is - WTF! :mad:

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans (Post 19047400)

I am guessing that some of you guys have never been in a case where they negotiate back and forth like this. Offer one thing, withdraw it, offer another, and back and forth.

Few main things to keep in mind.

1 is that the offer was withdrawn in 1-2 days, and if you look at the dates you see the Randazza guy was hard as heck on Oron after those offers in court.

2 is that Randazza is paid by Liberty. While he would love to do this for all website owners his first obligation is to Liberty and to maximize the settlement in favor of the client that is paying him (even if not perfect for ALL webmasters).

3 We all could have hired him BEFORE Liberty did and we ALL could have gone after Oron before Liberty did. We didn't - and for those of you that visit the XBiz forum you might remember that back in April there was a topic going about many people putting in money for a suit like this and only ONE person ever sent a dime. Just one person... seems hundreds of webmasters had the chance to get involved and didn't.

4 Strategically, Liberty / Randazza might be pulling the smartest move available. $400,000 settlement is one thing. A $250,000 with Oron that includes all user data might very well be better... because that user data would do two things... bring future settlements with direct uploaders and take those direct uploaders out of actions forever!

He might be the smartest damn lawyer in the business - but he is acting in the best interests of his client as he is obligated to do - and that might not seem great to you and me, but damn he sure is taking care of the guys PAYING HIM.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19047567)

Corbin Fisher is a business and they have to operate like a business just like you in your biz. They will settle if it is in their interest to do so. Don't criticize them for it or expect that they should have to spend all that time and money to protect your business interests. Better to thank them for providing a road map that will make it cheaper and easier for anyone else that wants to follow a similar course of action.:2 cents:

Edit: Although the lying to act like Oron is legit going forward does sound very lame indeed.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19047718)

yes, lying for oron, or even offering to lie for oron, is what really caused me to lose all respect. that is pretty disgusting really.

oron is the worst, and they host a lot of child porn. who in their right mind is going to stick their neck out for such an operation?

Originally Posted by xenigo (Post 19047725)

Here's what kinda made me scratch my head; Lying makes no difference. You are either facilitating piracy, or you aren't. There's no gray area there.

Since when is a pirate company going to come right out and say "you know, we pride ourselves on our honesty and being completely forthcoming to everyone accusing us of intellectual property infringement that could end up costing us millions... and you're right, we have been paying for uploads and charging for access. When we went into this business, we knew DMCA compliance would not be possible if we actually wanted to make money hand over fist... What is the name we should write on the check?"

I would never expect that to happen. I don't know how lying changes anything.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19047567)

Corbin Fisher is a business and they have to operate like a business just like you in your biz. They will settle if it is in their interest to do so. Don't criticize them for it or expect that they should have to spend all that time and money to protect your business interests. Better to thank them for providing a road map that will make it cheaper and easier for anyone else that wants to follow a similar course of action.:2 cents:

Edit: Although the lying to act like Oron is legit going forward does sound very lame indeed.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19047666)

i understand lawsuits, i come from a family of lawyers and judges but this is disappointing - my hope was that for once a copyright owner would put a foot on the neck of one of these thieving bastards and show no mercy, no settlement, take it the distance with a judge deciding in their favor and bankrupting Oron into oblivion.

Originally Posted by garce (Post 19045229)

Why is this not a sticky? Nail this bitch to the board.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19047751)

Exactly. If Corbin Fisher start tracing the addresses of the uploaders, the letters can be churned out all day long. No whining about an IP address, they have IP, Email and Bank Details, maybe more. The payback will be huge. This will send a warning shot to all uploaders that the file lockers will sell your ass down the river to save their.

Rinse and Repeat. Is all that's required here.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19047769)

Downloaders... well, that is another story. If the final outcome allows Liberty Media access, as it is stated in the current offers, then they can swap links and seed videos where they can track the downloaders to sue them.

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand (Post 19047738)

Who would listen to these lies?
What authority do they have?
The "lies" could only be about their content, or their experience with oron, not everyone elses content or experience with oron. sounds useless to me.

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 19047783)

The real question is what will hold more weight in the eyes of a future jury, Corbin Fisher's original allegations, or their post settlement sweet talk?

Originally Posted by xenigo (Post 19047793)

The fact that Oron's attorneys were even willing to talk about a settlement right away speaks volumes. If they were innocent, who would be willing to throw down $50k AND send $400k worth of traffic? Not an innocent company.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19047233)

Oh I know

I broke a story on it

http://www.mikesouth.com/avn/avn-own...ing-site-6046/

Theo has since denied that Vasillis is anything more than just a name for paperwork for many companies but the question that remains is why is the real owner hiding behind vasillis if this is the case? But lets not derail this thread.

Originally Posted by AGS-17 (Post 19047806)

I talked to a few friends and found out that Vasillis is an employee of Alex XE (owner of the Webazilla), who also lives in Cyprus. Uploading.com is hosted there.

So, correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like owner of AVN and GFY also owns one of the major file sharing sites? Can it be true?

Originally Posted by inthecrack (Post 19046909)

I told you you'd be eating crow.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19047839)

I'm sure we can all speculate who the person hiding behind Vasillis is, but we'll never know until someone gets hacked or someone leaks a document connecting the dots.

But even then, it won't even matter. Bro drinks and pats on the back for everyone!

Originally Posted by longdongsilver (Post 19047864)

DF is on the radar for ak now so i would put full resources into that one, that will show there is some hope to getting rid of these lockers.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19047887)

And when banks, paypal, visa, and master card are involved, it takes meetings, legal council, lot of investigating, and more time.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19047233)

Oh I know

I broke a story on it

http://www.mikesouth.com/avn/avn-own...ing-site-6046/

Theo has since denied that Vasillis is anything more than just a name for paperwork for many companies but the question that remains is why is the real owner hiding behind vasillis if this is the case? But lets not derail this thread.