What do you class as 'timely'? Because every single filehost has some crappy DMCA page they copy-pasted and never read. They will all take down files which get reported.

The ones which don't pay uploaders aren't so bad, they are professional corporations which follow the law strictly and remove all reported content. Every filehost which pays, however, should be removed indefinitely.

Timely is 24 hours or less in my opinion. Every file host that pays is being targeted without discrimination. Nobody will download 1000 copies of my mothers birthday party video but they will download thousands of copies of Avatar, so if you're an uploader what do you upload ? Avatar of course. Those sites suck and can be whacked in my opinion.

There's a deliberate strategy in place and while some people may say why not go after site xyz, we might be going after site xyz already but I'm not going to comment on it.

All strategy and targets will remain confidential. Targets will be revealed post action in most cases. Some serious offenders are publicly identified on the blog prior , but again with a strategy in mind that I am not going into here.

I choose B because no matter what you do, Manwin still exists. They win either way and they have set themselves up in a position to come out on top. So I choose to have LESS pirates, even if it means it's partially (or even fully) funded by another pirate.

To choose A means you want more pirates. Because Manwin will not be going anywhere. So AK can either take their money to help kill off some of the other pirates, and Manwin wins. Or he doesn't take their money, and Manwin wins. Like I said, I'm for whatever option gets the job done and gets rid of the most pirates. That choice is B.

And you KNOW we're in a serious quagmire for me to choose to stand by Manwin when it comes to fighting piracy. But that's the position we are in.

In regards to it being easier to deal with all the little shits, you are wrong. I've been dealing with the little shits for years, and it's whack a mole. You take a large one down and all the little ones get their traffic and customers. So you have to get rid of the little guys first, and that is what AK is going, which is something none of us have been able to do before in such numbers. It also hones his skills to be better at taking on larger ones.

He is not a shill for anyone. If anyone is a shill, it is the organization the industry has been pumping money into for years with no return on their investment. Target them if you want to fuck with someone, but leave AK, he is making real progress, even if you are unable to see the large picture.



No one should ever be banned for telling the truth. But the truth is not what you are telling, and you're trying to derail and discredit AK.

Start your own thread about it if you must. Open it to a new debate. But intentionally fucking with AK and these threads is just the wrong thing to do.

If you are trying to cause problems for the only guy who is making ANY real progress against piracy, then you should be banned. If you want to have an intelligent conversation like the rest of us, please do so. But your posts in this thread are not very helpful or positive, and it seems you are set on trying to harm AK's efforts.

Well, let's just agree to disagree then. I want the truth nothing more.

I think B is worse, if you have all the traffic from lockers flooding to tubes and a few remaining lockers in the hands of one group or select group i see no advantage.

I just see them becoming more untouchable. Whack a mole gives some satisfaction, whack a 2000lb gorilla and see what happens.

Also these little ones do eat away at the power of one big one eventually and have no singular interest.

Of course all of them gone would be best.

I will not post here again for some time, let's see what happens like you say.

If AK finishes this job and starts stopthetubes i will eat crow even feast upon it gladly.

If he turns out in long run to be a shill then i'll be far more sorry - you can be sure.

4.30am here. I'll be back online during tomorrow. We'll keep working on the collaboration system tomorrow and have announcements regarding the hotline early next week.

There are a stack of reports and reviews of sites who have re-instated Paypal against the Paypal TOS which will be sent off Monday. We're also sending a stack off to Mastercard/Visa for compliance action.

See you all in about 8 hours.

edit: If you've emailed, submitted on the website form or ICQ'd and I haven't got back to you yet please be assured that I will. I've been bombarded with mails and took most of Saturday off.

From the point of view of a content owner, it makes sense to want all the small ones gone, even if that increases the power and size of the 'big fish'. It sounds logical because you'd have removed many, many filehosts.

However, having such logic means you're completely ignoring the fact that the already-large ones will become even larger, even harder to take down and even more full of pirated content.

In which case, was it really worth removing only the small ones and allowing the big ones to grow?

Why not put all effort into removing the larger filehosts instead?

The rest will panic and hide, removing all of their affiliate programs, slowly dying off. The exact same thing happened when megaupload was taken down, all of the paying filehosts immediately stopped all payments and eventually died off.

Cause its a marathon - Not a sprint.

Seriously I wanna know... has any one seen an increase in sales (other than the resellers of the file hosting sites that lost their PayPal) ?

baby, the party has just begun!

Indeed, I don't disagree with that, well said.

I just think it could be a better idea to concentrate efforts on at least the 'medium fish' rather than the 'small fish' (e.g. rapidgator.net, not filerose.com).

To be honest though, I want them all dead so I guess the order is irrelevant.

Mediafire CP

Mediafire Warez

Mediafire Porn

Rapidshare CP

Rapidshare Warez

Rapidshare Porn

They supposed to be the serious ones I guess

Keep dreaming :)

Some of these "medium fish" have lost their paypal too (e.g. Extabit)

From a tactical standpoint going after the pawns first is the smarter move targeting a big battle without first winning some smaller ones is just a hail mary move.

yes it may sometimes work but Sun Tzu wouldnt recommend it ;)

Keep doing what yer doing AK

Fabian...pay attention son....

Oh I didn't realise extabit lost their paypal, that's excellent news.

It would be extremely nice to see rapidgator go down though, they are one of the big 'medium fish', the one most uploaders use to earn from.

As for the 'serious ones', AlexShark:

Largest = the professionals, e.g. rapidshare, filefactory, mediafire, they all have actual corporations behind them and lawyers. These deal with piracy as required and do not fund pirates.

Largest Paying = rapidgator.net, fiberupload.com, shareflare.net, extabit.com, letitbit.net (owns shareflare) and a few more. They are run by unprofessional individuals or shady partnerships. Some in the past have ended up being owned 'secretly' by legitimate internet companies.

Going after the professionals would be pointless, they aren't really causing as much damage actually, they know about the piracy and work to remove it. The unprofessional ones, the paying ones, directly advertise to pirates and pay them.

So yeah, go after the paying hosts.

Another biggie who lost their paypal is Turbobit, at one point along with DF they were the ones whose links I came across the most.

Why don't you do it?
Go ahead, kill the larger ones yourself and show us how big of a smatass you are.

Or STFU and go back to wjunction.

No need to get hostile or insult me, I was just wondering.
Just trying to discuss here, they were only suggestions/questions.

I apologise if I came across negatively, I didn't mean to...

Content owners, would you rather send DMCAs to 100s of sites, or just a few?

I'd rather centralize and compartmentalize piracy so I can knock out what I have to do faster, instead of chasing down resellers and tons of little piss ant sites.

And honestly, who are any of us to try to tell him how to do anything? He's getting shit done and some of you are just complaining about it.

Unless someone is willing to step up and do the same as he is (aint gonna happen), we should just let him do what he is doing.

Amen......

True, you have a good point there, a very good point.

Also, in terms of actual take downs, if anyone wanted to drastically reduce worldwide spam, piracy and hacking, just take down ecatel. Almost every large piracy-related site hosted in the netherlands is hosted with ecatel and most of their IPs are spamlisted. The smaller ones and others go with leaseweb.

Ecatel are very well known for claiming to be a 'bulletproof provider', just like mccolo was before it got taken down.

Exactly. Ain't gonna happen.

There's actually ONE guy who does something, and his posts get bombarded with assholes insulting him, making fun of him, telling him how to do things and more.

And they are all his colleagues, who all the time are crying about piracy..

Fucking pathetic motherfuckers...

I do see the slippery slope but jesus christ he is doing something at least

Good morning all, it's 11.30am here and I had a bit of a sleep in, bless!

I've read through the questions and comments.

I started this a little over a week ago now, 5 business days in fact. In that time I have been learning as I went. Now all the procedures are in place, other people are helping and contributing and precedents have been set then we can go after larger ones.

However understand this. It is probably around 20 man hours of work to compile an adequate report for the card companies on a big site, whereas for a smaller one it's about 6 hours on average.

What you see on Stop File Lockers is a small peephole into the evidence we collect, then have to analyse, collate and then report on. It's a time intensive task.

Visa and Mastercard will not deal with 'hey this site contains this go get em'. We need comprehensive evidence and then when they get that evidence they do their own investigations.

Paypal are a bit easier and quicker because they have full control over all aspects of their system, they also do their own thorough investigations which are much more comprehensive than anything we do. Paypal are acting really quickly considering the work involved in shutting down a non complying merchant.

I guess the point I am making is that this is a time intensive task to do properly. We cannot afford to fire and miss. We have to be sure that we are on target every time. So we do comprehensively gather details and report them as much as we can. Then it's ultimately up to the processors to investigate and make their own decisions.

Paypal, Mastercard, Visa and all the other processors DO NOT share customer information with us. It's one way all the way. They accept our information, thank us and then that's it.

On the subject of Paypal......

Just an update (on a Sunday no less) three file lockers which re-instated Paypal with new accounts or accounts they had on ice just in case are now in the process of having those accounts terminated again. We do keep an eye on them once terminated and are quick to deal with them.

Thanks everyone for your support and thanks to the haters for encouraging us to work even harder.

Updates. FileRose.com and FileDefend.com switched in new Paypal accounts for premium membership payments. We killed them too. On a Sunday!


FileDefend Update:

http://stopfilelockers.com/filedefen...soft-software/

FileRose Update:

http://stopfilelockers.com/filerose-...ell-so-good-2/

:)

It's fucking hilarious reading some of the comments on the articles at http://stopfilelockers.com, the people defending the file lockers can't even write a coherent sentence.

"Thank you for the suggestion will the best therapy for me is to see my fist in ur eyes and to see this crap you have maked go down I didn?t play Football or Games I Play always Bodybuilding so don?t ever let me catch u on the street if u understand !"

lol what????? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Your "pals" at filemates did that too.

Yep, we're working on it.

Upload monkeys aren't exactly known for their literary skills.
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It's been suggested in addition to our legal threats catgegory

http://stopfilelockers.com/category/legal-threats/

that we create a category of all the death threats and other garbage posted to us.

What do people think ?

i love the comments on the blog, i wonder what country most of the users reside?

In wah wah land :1orglaugh

Before "wondering" here and annoying people with your clueless posts you should have read this thread and also stopfilelockers website. Any meaningful discussion should be based on facts and not on speculations, and if you do not bother to learn facts before stepping into this thread through the portal of lights to shine your groundless "opinion" on us, insults is what you get.

Large sites WERE targeted and had their paypal accounts closed. Below is the list of those, and their approximate Alexa rank.

Putlocker ~300
Turbobit ~500
Extabit ~900

Putlocker is one large fat bloodsucker, it is on MPAA/RIAA top five most dangerous piracy sites priority hit list. Them fat worthless overpaid Hollywood suits couldn't do shit about it, while AK did and had their PP account closed. Extabit is the second biggest offender adult content piracy wise (after Oron) - they're dangerous as fuck because they have some features that allow full site rips to get posted easily, and to easily repair links after take downs. They were used largely by dozens of sites like site-rip.org. Turbobit is dangerous too because of their PPS program which was the reason why every second poster used them for mirroring links.

Also there was a number of middle sized filehosts targeted with the Alexa rank withing 1000-5000 range - azushare, uploadc, filereactor etc.

And those so called "smaller" sites like filedefend of filerose are not that harmless as some posters say - they have bigger payouts, and they're unsaturated meaning uploaders have better chance of selling a premium membership. Such sites explode with traffic overnight - see Azushare Alexa chart for example. If not killed right away, they'll grow to become much bigger problem in no time.

And finally - Fiberupload that is on your priority hit list, WAS targeted and had their paypal account closed. Same as extabit. Letitbit/Shareflare are targeted too - they're featured at SFL already, but they're still work in progress.

Learn the goddamn facts before stating anything here. It's not "would you hit it" thread, people are actually WORKING here, and collaborating toward our commom goal. Show some respect and support. And even better get busy and start helping.

Update: We're working on Bitshare.com , for legal reasons we cannot publish our research yet.

Update: 2 resellers of FileDefend.com have been terminated with a couple of billing companies and we are working on 2 more resellers. FileDefend thought they hid their resellers fairly well but we found them anyway :)

Excellent news, but c'mon bro - it's Sunday, have a rest.

Update: PigSonic using another Paypal account (again) and now offering $140 per 1000 downloads.

Full story in our PigSonic.com update:

http://stopfilelockers.com/pigsonic-...r-house-down-2

I do rest, I am being very careful not to burn out. I had a nice 5 hour sleep in the middle of today :)

That's normal for people here. Corbin Fisher was flamed for not going the full ten yards in suing one file locker, by people who rarely go a few inches to do anything.

Rather than give AK a list or tell him he's only going after the small fry. Lend a hand, donate or set up something yourself.

:2 cents:

Ways to escalate the fight. RIAA/MPA/ASCAP have deep pockets and spend a lot on getting no where. Inform them of what is happening here, I'm sure it's been done, with the view to getting funding for more staff and publicity. They also have the ears of the credit card companies.

Bigger companies can rinse and repeat the process Corbin Fisher went, get the list of the uploaders and downloaders and start sending out emails explaining what is coming in the post and asking for an explanation. Then sue or settle with the fuckers. Alternatively see if the Corbin Fisher list is open for others to use.

An email is easy and will put the fear of god in the pirates. Then letter, if ignored registered letter, if ignored, serve a writ. AND squeeze. no need to go after those living in India or similar just hit the places with money.

Tell FSC and ASACAP to get in on the act. Those contributing to FSC have a loud voice.

Someone mentioned shareholders protesting recently.Find out if any of the payment processors are public companies and who holds a major share in them. A lot will be in the financial sector, target them with the news of the processing company, doing business with people selling access to cp.

And yes, I have done something. And no, not telling you.

Update: FileGag after cycling through two Paypal accounts and a Payza account have still not learned their lesson and are now processing through Moneybookers/Skrill.

We've updated all this on the blog:

http://stopfilelockers.com/filegag-p...vestigation-2/

We're also in contact with Moneybookers right now to shut this payment option down.