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Jel 07-12-2012 01:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19054743)
There's an interesting thread on a bodybuilding site about this (I hope Eric will forgive me linking to a forum but I it shows the way people are starting to consider the prospect of free porn being limited at some stage)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6412753&page=1
That's a really interesting thread, and shows the mentality of people who just don't understand that *someone* has to cover costs. Quite funny in a way that they think there'll be tons of sites up showing untold free porn and making zero money from it :1orglaugh

AdultKing 07-12-2012 01:55 AM
Nautilus if you could write a draft that would be great.

Beaner, we'll invite you into the collaboration system. Leave me your icq or skype or email them to me through the contact form on stopfilelockers.com and i will be in touch.

Paul, I saw your ICQ earlier but I was out, I will be in touch later tonight.

Jel 07-12-2012 01:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 19054974)
I think that rather than individual negotiations with each file locker, it'll be better to post an official guideline for all of them to follow with the list of recommendations as to how to become compliant and to avoid becoming a target for Copy Control.

That will also look good public relations wise, because it'll make it clear what kind of sites we're after, and that we're also giving them a chance of changing the ways they operate and not simply slaying the frak out of all of them. That will be a tough guideline of course, because it will be meant to really stop piracy at file lockers and not simply implementing some cosmetic changes such as to disallow content of a few selected copyright holders to be illegally "shared", and many of them will not be able to follow because piracy is their only source of income. But at least we'll give them a chance which always looks good in the eyes of public opinion, and also it'll help to further build relationships with serious organizations such as Paypal and VISA/MC.

This guideline could look as following:

1. Follow DMCA law to the letter (that includes having an effective repeat infringer policy).
2. Monitor the incoming traffic on a daily basic, and if visitors from known piracy sites (see the list) are noticed, investigate immediatly - ban posters who post there and remove all files that were uploaded by these posters. You can also block traffic from those confirmed piracy sites through htaccess file.
3. Implement standard technical measures to prevent infringements, such as MD5 and DFP. Do not interfere with them.
4. Establish and implement a reasonable and transparent policy for copyright holders to apply for instant take down accounts.
5. Stopping adult content piracy is not enough. We support all legit creative industries, and we'll still report your site if it allows copyrighted movies, tv shows, software or music to be "shared" illegally. Cleaning up your acts means stopping piracy altogether, not only adult content piracy.
6. .....

If you agree with the idea I can put a draft together and post it for discussion.
:thumbsup

AdultKing 07-12-2012 02:34 AM
It's probably important to note that there are several organizations all targeting file lockers and Paypal are, in their own right, reviewing many of them.

ACIUF have been working to combat such piracy as have other Piracy groups, so not all of the Paypal terminations are based on Stop File Lockers.

For example, we reported some sites to Paypal today that they already knew about, so they are obviously getting information from multiple sources.

It seems more and more that Paypal are taking a stronger line against any sort of piracy that is monetized through Paypal.

Slappin Fish 07-12-2012 02:41 AM
Great job ADK :thumbsup Any news about Netload's Paypal account? These guys are one of the daddys, aggressive affiliate program.

Paul Markham 07-12-2012 02:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19055007)
It's probably important to note that there are several organizations all targeting file lockers and Paypal are, in their own right, reviewing many of them.

ACIUF have been working to combat such piracy as have other Piracy groups, so not all of the Paypal terminations are based on Stop File Lockers.

For example, we reported some sites to Paypal today that they already knew about, so they are obviously getting information from multiple sources.

It seems more and more that Paypal are taking a stronger line against any sort of piracy that is monetized through Paypal.
Cutting the money supply to piracy will deal is a massive blow. Ultimately moving on, after Paypal are dealing with piracy sites properly, to other processors is a logical step.

seeandsee 07-12-2012 03:42 AM
Paypal did't know nothing before this started? :))))))

Three.Thousand 07-12-2012 03:55 AM
the mere fact that these file lockers use wjunction as some kind of support forum is just a big joke. its a haven for pirates, so posting there just shows that they fully know what their users are up to. they should instead hang out at, i dunno, webhostingtalk or something.

not one of them have posted on wjunction asking its users to stop uploading stolen content, and instead focus on funny cat videos. THAT sure is, by miles, the absolute easiest way to keep your billing.

AlexShark 07-12-2012 04:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 19055046)
Paypal did't know nothing before this started? :))))))
Of course not :)

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com


I am sure PayPal is the really one in Panic from this situation, not the filelockers that can just find different ways to get paid. I am sure if they would be using Western Union and Money Gram, people that are interest in that service would adapt themselves.

DWB 07-12-2012 04:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexShark (Post 19055063)
Of course not :)

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com


I am sure PayPal is the really one in Panic from this situation, not the filelockers that can just find different ways to get paid. I am sure if they would be using Western Union and Money Gram, people that are interest in that service would adapt themselves.
After seeing shit like that, the issue of a "slow economy" being part of the reason why the porn business is slow, is taken out of the equation. People are spending money, just not on paysites. Many of those sales paypal got, would have otherwise come to the porn industry.

Logically it makes sense to join a locker. Join MY site for 19.95 and get access to all of MY videos. Or join a locker for 9.95 and get access to ALL porn videos, ALL Hollywood videos, ALL music, and ALL software. Even if everyone dropped their price to match the lockers, you still can't compete.

AlexShark 07-12-2012 04:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19055101)
After seeing shit like that, the issue of a "slow economy" being part of the reason why the porn business is slow, is taken out of the equation. People are spending money, just not on paysites. Many of those sales paypal got, would have otherwise come to the porn industry.

Logically it makes sense to join a locker. Join MY site for 19.95 and get access to all of MY videos. Or join a locker for 9.95 and get access to ALL porn videos, ALL Hollywood videos, ALL music, and ALL software. Even if everyone dropped their price to match the lockers, you still can't compete.
So I wanna know what would PayPal's next move be...
Cut the personnel or allow file lockers again pretending that they have to obey rules?

I really wanna see the face of PayPal's managers every time they click FREEZE on a file locker account

Paul Markham 07-12-2012 05:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexShark (Post 19055063)
Of course not :)

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com

I am sure PayPal is the really one in Panic from this situation, not the filelockers that can just find different ways to get paid. I am sure if they would be using Western Union and Money Gram, people that are interest in that service would adapt themselves.
Paypal can see this is a can of worms that when opened will drag them in.

Let pirates try to run the business on Western Union and they'll see how good it is. :thumbsup

AdultKing 07-12-2012 06:03 AM
It's already been explained that the Alexa drop was caused by regional Paypal switching from www.paypal.com/au to www.paypal-austalia.com.au and similar regional sites around the world.

Don't make something out of nothing, all the Alexa stats show is that Paypal.com has dropped, it doesn't explain why and I have just explained why above.

Also, Paypal were investigating some of these sites long before Stop File Lockers began, in fact a couple of the bigger ones have revealed they were talking to Paypal from the beginning of the year.

We can't claim credit for some of the bigger sites, like mediafire or deposit files because those sites were already under active investigation by Paypal it seems. I don't know this for sure, but there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest this is true.

Let's not kid ourselves, Stop File Lockers has made some noise, yes, but I think it's been just a case of timing in some cases.

ACIUF have been sending reports to Paypal on many of these sites for months, as have other anti-piracy groups. I think the sensationalism of the "One man Army" is ridiculous when lot's of people and organizations are involved in this effort.

Copy Control will be important to fight piracy, it's a tool the whole industry and those outside the industry can use and it will probably be very effective, however let's not kid ourselves here - there are other large organizations fighting these battles as well.

adultmobile 07-12-2012 06:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexShark (Post 19055063)
Ok so -27% pageviews in 1 month, and -47% pageviews in 7 days.
Let's say a 33% of landings to pay pages, how many dollars is that?
PayPal?s 2011 annual revenue was $4.4 billion (of which $2.2 billion USA) from $118 billion of transactions (their commission around 5%).
But, this is not $30 billion sales less and $1.3 billion less in revenue, guys.
Ebay and other type of sales are in average bigger than file lockers (under $10 each), also lots of those landings from filelockers was people clicking the pay link but not paying really - it is like count landings to your join or ccbill/epoch pages like all it was sales.
So file lockers may account for >30% of paypal pay page traffic, but less % of revenue, let's say 3%-5% (don't take it as science!), it would still be more than a billion dollar a year sales (enough to pay hosting of dozens file lockers), and 50 million dollar revenue for PayPal ($4+ million dollar per month profits less).
So congrats to PayPal that's a lot of money they lose there just for be compliant.

To have real numbers f file sharing revenue lost, just look at this page after a year:

https://www.paypal-media.com/about

"PayPal revenues for Q1 2012 were $1.3 billion, growing 32 percent year over year."
->
What it will be in Q3 and Q4 2012?

VenusBlogger 07-12-2012 06:22 AM
Respect to Adult King, it really needs some balls to do what he does.

Wish it could be done 5 years ago and not now.

Problem now is that half of the adult webmaster population has turned into illegal activities, so you will see less support for what you are doing, because many of the guys that were here many years ago, are now working on those sites or FOR those sites or benefiting in some way from them, and the rest just leave adult...

The damage has been done for many years, so it will be very very hard to fight it. But considering the amount of energy you are putting in, something could be changed, despite that most of those sites are very established.

adultmobile 07-12-2012 06:23 AM
Until 1 June, paypal had their australia etc. traffic, google trends is delayed 1 month we need to see it in august to know June and later (where drop is shown in alexa):

http://trends.google.com/websites?date=mtd&q=paypal.com

however, if traffic was moved to regional sites, then regional sites traffic should have accordingly increased, instead I see traffic stable in regional sites, and french one dropped -42% like the .com:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com.au
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.ca
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.it
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.de
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.fr

Now I wonder in what regional site the traffic gone, I tried a few and no one increased traffic really?

AdultKing 07-12-2012 06:40 AM
It's been slowly rolled out over the whole world, so I am sure that it all adds up.

I do not believe for one second Paypal have dropped that much in traffic because of File Lockers.

Nautilus 07-12-2012 07:03 AM
Meanwhile shareflare and vip-file both stopped offering paypal for payments.

IanUK 07-12-2012 07:54 AM
Like many here I've been following this thread, looks like you may have just had a massive hit, FileFactory's PayPal account isn't working as of now.

Axeman 07-12-2012 07:56 AM
Any more in roads made with Visa and MC AK?

seeandsee 07-12-2012 07:57 AM
1301 file lockers down :D

IanUK 07-12-2012 08:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanUK (Post 19055320)
Like many here I've been following this thread, looks like you may have just had a massive hit, FileFactory's PayPal account isn't working as of now.
Hmm, actually only their '24 hour' and 30 day' PayPal links are down, the others are still working - different accounts ?

DWB 07-12-2012 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19055191)
It's already been explained that the Alexa drop was caused by regional Paypal switching from www.paypal.com/au to www.paypal-austalia.com.au and similar regional sites around the world.

Don't make something out of nothing, all the Alexa stats show is that Paypal.com has dropped, it doesn't explain why and I have just explained why above.

Also, Paypal were investigating some of these sites long before Stop File Lockers began, in fact a couple of the bigger ones have revealed they were talking to Paypal from the beginning of the year.

We can't claim credit for some of the bigger sites, like mediafire or deposit files because those sites were already under active investigation by Paypal it seems. I don't know this for sure, but there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest this is true.

Let's not kid ourselves, Stop File Lockers has made some noise, yes, but I think it's been just a case of timing in some cases.

ACIUF have been sending reports to Paypal on many of these sites for months, as have other anti-piracy groups. I think the sensationalism of the "One man Army" is ridiculous when lot's of people and organizations are involved in this effort.

Copy Control will be important to fight piracy, it's a tool the whole industry and those outside the industry can use and it will probably be very effective, however let's not kid ourselves here - there are other large organizations fighting these battles as well.
People love a hero, mate. :2 cents:

Whatever the case, it wasn't until you started that all of this started to happen. Thus the fact that you are in the spot light. People have been trying to take out billing to these sites for a while, but within a few days of you saying you were going to do it, it happened. It could be that you were the straw to break the camel's back. Or it could be that you just hit the right nerve and contacted the right people. Bottom line is... the job is getting done and making progress. Kudos to all involved.

Barefootsies 07-12-2012 08:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19054843)
You shouldn't have pissed me off. If you weren't such a dick bag we wouldn't be doing this.
Actually, "we" are not doing anything. I do not follow you around, and troll you or your business. If you were not constantly seeking my attention in multiple threads, I would not even notice nor acknowledge your existence in the first place.

As for your other remarks, I am not sure who you think you are? I am guessing yet another digital gangsta. Your dis/approval or you firing your "warning shots" across my bow is the equivalent of the local fry cook telling me they are pissed @ the drive thru window. I wouldn't care about them anymore than I care about you.

Regarding the rest of what you claim I was supposedly telling AK about this and that. None of that is true. However, as we have seen from your recently past, that was never the point in the first place. It was just to take some smear shot @ myself. Which is fine.

That being said, how about you take your little pissing bullshit to some other BF thread and cry about not getting enough attention there. This thread is about AK, and his efforts on this file locker deal. It does not need to be derailed by your nonsense.

Mkay, thanx, bye.

:pimp

AdultKing 07-12-2012 08:44 AM
The Collaboration system is now up and running. If you want to be considered for an invitation please ICQ me on 19051100 and I will invite you into our open discussion workspace.

VenusBlogger 07-12-2012 09:28 AM
So, basically taking paypal down for these systems, it's not only about taking down their payment processor to accept new premium membership signups, right?

BUT also their whole system of paying UPLOADERS that accounts for most of the content, using their affiliate referral system.

I mean, if you take down paypal for them, you only prevent them for getting new signups in the premium system, or also you prevent them from paying all their UPLOADERS, $25 for every 1000 downloads?

JOKER 07-12-2012 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19055489)
So, basically taking paypal down for these systems, it's not only about taking down their payment processor to accept new premium membership signups, right?

BUT also their whole system of paying UPLOADERS that accounts for most of the content, using their affiliate referral system.

I mean, if you take down paypal for them, you only prevent them for getting new signups in the premium system, or also you prevent them from paying all their UPLOADERS, $25 for every 1000 downloads?
Basically their funds get frozen for 180 days - so no paying hosts, uploaders or anyone with that money they have sitting in paypal. :)

inthecrack 07-12-2012 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 19054974)
I think that rather than individual negotiations with each file locker, it'll be better to post an official guideline for all of them to follow with the list of recommendations as to how to become compliant and to avoid becoming a target for Copy Control.

That will also look good public relations wise, because it'll make it clear what kind of sites we're after, and that we're also giving them a chance of changing the ways they operate and not simply slaying the frak out of all of them. That will be a tough guideline of course, because it will be meant to really stop piracy at file lockers and not simply implementing some cosmetic changes such as to disallow content of a few selected copyright holders to be illegally "shared", and many of them will not be able to follow because piracy is their only source of income. But at least we'll give them a chance which always looks good in the eyes of public opinion, and also it'll help to further build relationships with serious organizations such as Paypal and VISA/MC.

This guideline could look as following:

1. Follow DMCA law to the letter (that includes having an effective repeat infringer policy).
2. Monitor the incoming traffic on a daily basic, and if visitors from known piracy sites (see the list) are noticed, investigate immediatly - ban posters who post there and remove all files that were uploaded by these posters. You can also block traffic from those confirmed piracy sites through htaccess file.
3. Implement standard technical measures to prevent infringements, such as MD5 and DFP. Do not interfere with them.
4. Establish and implement a reasonable and transparent policy for copyright holders to apply for instant take down accounts.
5. Stopping adult content piracy is not enough. We support all legit creative industries, and we'll still report your site if it allows copyrighted movies, tv shows, software or music to be "shared" illegally. Cleaning up your acts means stopping piracy altogether, not only adult content piracy.
6. .....

If you agree with the idea I can put a draft together and post it for discussion.
That's a great start. I suppose it's not necessarily file lockers that we want to kill but piracy itself that should receive the death blow. However I'd think that once the file lockers see the guidelines for compliance they'll be forced to admit that we are eliminating their sole purpose of existence. Perhaps Paypal will eventually see this too and just blanket ban all file lockers (with a few exceptions).

Three.Thousand 07-12-2012 09:57 AM
They hide behind DMCA, saying its not their content etc. i get that, but where does it say their users have to be anonymous?
Force them to keep record of all their users (full name, address etc), regardless of if they pay them or not.
and if one of them upload pirated content and get caught, their personal details will be handed over.

If they truly dont want to take responsibility of what is uploaded to them, then the responsibility have to fall on the uploaders.

longdongsilver 07-12-2012 10:28 AM
How on earth have DF still got paypal? even if it is a new account they switched in surely PP can close this one by now. If they decided their old account should be closed this should be an immediate decision. Same for bitshare really.?

ShoeBox 07-12-2012 11:39 AM
Killing off file lockers?
How are you going to do this with people like this http://www.gimme-website.com/v4/?p=1352

ShoeBox 07-12-2012 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoeBox (Post 19055738)
Killing off file lockers?
How are you going to do this with people like this http://www.gimme-website.com/v4/?p=1352
http://www.gimme-website.com/v4/?p=1355
http://www.gimme-website.com/v4/?p=1352
http://www.gimme-website.com/v4/?p=912


also need to get rid of the people designing them :thumbsup

topnotch, standup guy 07-12-2012 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoeBox (Post 19055738)
Killing off file lockers?
How are you going to do this with people like this http://www.gimme-website.com/v4/?p=1352
Wow!

What a fucking piece-of-shit cunt.

If her other shenanigans didn't kill her reputation with legitimate webmasters once and for all this should definitely do the trick.
.

Major (Tom) 07-12-2012 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 19055765)
Wow!

What a fucking piece-of-shit cunt.

If her other shenanigans didn't kill her reputation with legitimate webmasters once and for all this should definitely do the trick.
.
thank god i'm not the duke in duke share
ds

ShoeBox 07-12-2012 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19055775)
thank god i'm not the duke in duke share
ds
:1orglaugh thanks for clearing it up

looky_lou 07-12-2012 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19055775)
thank god i'm not the duke in duke share
ds
Glad you cleared that up. :winkwink:

DWB 07-12-2012 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoeBox (Post 19055751)
alpha team dispatched. she'll be neutralized by morning. thanks.

Major (Tom) 07-12-2012 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoeBox (Post 19055788)
:1orglaugh thanks for clearing it up
lol :)
ds

DWB 07-12-2012 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19055846)
lol :)
ds
whew! jesus, that was close. we had a strike team on your street waiting for the signal.

bean-aid 07-12-2012 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19054988)
Nautilus if you could write a draft that would be great.

Beaner, we'll invite you into the collaboration system. Leave me your icq or skype or email them to me through the contact form on stopfilelockers.com and i will be in touch.

Paul, I saw your ICQ earlier but I was out, I will be in touch later tonight.
Sent you an ICQ... icq#: 360151609


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