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peterk 07-23-2012 01:43 PM

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wow i am surprised that you have raised that much money, nice to see that some people are contributing.

19teenporn 07-23-2012 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19075916)
I dont care if he makes a million dollars doing this. He would have earned every penny.
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And why would you quote me?

AdultKing 07-23-2012 02:30 PM

Just for the record, I am making nothing doing this. I'd like that to be very clear.

AdultKing 07-23-2012 02:38 PM

MyDownloader.net have had Paypal terminated, we are going after 2000 Charge and resellers next.

http://stopfilelockers.com/mydownloa...l-filelockers/

Three.Thousand 07-23-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19075032)
Google dropbox and warez. Seems lots of people are using it for illegal means.

But their business model is not built on piracy.
plus, sharing is never going away, the main problem here is the profiting from it. dropbox for example, charges its users not the downloaders.

Ask RYC how many percent of the DMCA they send out go to dropbox compared to say oron or depositfiles etc.

And finally, they dont have an official support section on wjunction fishing for warez uploaders by offering them money.

they, as sugarsync, google drive, icloud, are proper businesses, not some pimpled 15 year old with a bunch of file servers and an obsession of the idea that they are entitled to free music, movies and porn.

Three.Thousand 07-23-2012 02:54 PM

and of course, its still not ok for dropbox and its users to share content they dont own. but it is not! their business model, its though unfortunately an issue that comes along with it, and should of course be fought as well.

once again, the profit issue is what makes this so large scale.

Three.Thousand 07-23-2012 02:56 PM

and finally, again, it doesnt matter if adultking only manages to make a little dent by his efforts. its STILL a positive action. And even then, it would still be fuck loads of more action than anyone else has done.

but, haters gonna hate.

SplatterMaster 07-23-2012 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand (Post 19076178)
and of course, its still not ok for dropbox and its users to share content they dont own. but it is not! their business model, its though unfortunately an issue that comes along with it, and should of course be fought as well.

once again, the profit issue is what makes this so large scale.

Legit businesses will also delete and ban those users that abuse their TOS :thumbsup Where non-legit ones wont and welcome any rule breakers they can get.

dgraves 07-23-2012 03:46 PM

Very impressive work. On a forum that's polluted with shit talkers, it's nice to see action.

Barefootsies 07-23-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19076149)
MyDownloader.net have had Paypal terminated, we are going after 2000 Charge and resellers next.

http://stopfilelockers.com/mydownloa...l-filelockers/

My posts on this matter have absolutely nothing to do with you making a mint or not.

My point in showing how little has been contributed, and the number of contributors, is that despite ENDLESS threads on this matter over the years, very few have bothered to flip you a dime. When it comes to BITCHING and making new threads, there is no shortage of volunteers. But when it comes down to ACTION or flipping a few dollars, it's crickets and tumbleweeds.

Here is who has actually replied to this thread. How many flipped you anything beyond a virtual kudos? The point is not the money. The point is that you are doing something that is getting results, and you can get next to NO "industry" support behind you.

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AdultKing 375
DWB 96
Nautilus 84
19teenporn 73
Paul Markham 62
Gozarian 48
topnotch, standup guy 34
Robbie 32
FoxtrotAlpha 31
Tijuana_Tom 30
longdongsilver 29
JOKER 29
johnnyloadproductions 29
Three.Thousand 28
SplatterMaster 26
xenigo 23
Vjo 22
Dirty F 22
Barefootsies 21
DarkJedi 21
adultmobile 20
Slappin Fish 19
MrDeiz 17
Jel 17
krylon 15
AlexShark 14
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livexxx 13
Axeman 11
KlenTelaris 11
notjoe 10
mikke 10
DukeSkywalker 10
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Major (Tom) 07-23-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 19076121)
And why would you quote me?

i just hit reply. im on mobile. My eyes are bad
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AdultKing 07-23-2012 08:25 PM

I'll let others make judgements on whether enough has been contributed or not. We are grateful to everyone who has contributed so far.

We're working very hard to keep ongoing costs down so we still have a little bit of money in the bank and countless hours of assistance are being contributed freely through the collaboration system.

Barefootsies 07-23-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19076587)
I'll let others make judgements on whether enough has been contributed or not.

Considering that, before your efforts, the most anyone could manage to do is gripe on GFY about this shit on almost a daily basis, or make new threads about it repeating the same yoke, attack Fabian and his hoodie..... in short, a lot of do-nothing.

Once someone actually started moving on any of these issues, I would have thought "the industry" would have rallied behind them, and charged forward. It seems that the most that "the industry" can do is post new threads on a forum, and throw you a few kudos.

I do applaud the volunteers who may not have any money, and are donating their time to your cause for the greater good. However, considering the number of people who've posted this thread, or those in the past who've created endless "cry for me Argentina" posts about piracy/tubes/Manwin how they have been forced back to a fry-o-lator job, or can't compete any longer... I simply would have ASSumed that more of this industry, especially the cry babies, could throw you a few bucks for your efforts.

People who want to complain about piracy, tubes, Fabian and the rest need to realize that YOU GAVE IT AWAY.

:2 cents:

ShoeBox 07-23-2012 09:10 PM

shut the fuck up

bean-aid 07-23-2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19076628)
Considering that, before your efforts, the most anyone could manage to do is gripe on GFY about this shit on almost a daily basis, or make new threads about it repeating the same yoke, attack Fabian and his hoodie..... in short, a lot of do-nothing.

Once someone actually started moving on any of these issues, I would have thought "the industry" would have rallied behind them, and charged forward. It seems that the most that "the industry" can do is post new threads on a forum, and throw you a few kudos.

I do applaud the volunteers who may not have any money, and are donating their time to your cause for the greater good. However, considering the number of people who've posted this thread, or those in the past who've created endless "cry for me Argentina" posts about piracy/tubes/Manwin how they have been forced back to a fry-o-lator job, or can't compete any longer... I simply would have ASSumed that more of this industry, especially the cry babies, could throw you a few bucks for your efforts.

People who want to complain about piracy, tubes, Fabian and the rest need to realize that YOU GAVE IT AWAY.

:2 cents:

Shut the fuck up dick bag. You are a prime example of why some people should not have kids.

bean-aid 07-23-2012 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19076138)
Just for the record, I am making nothing doing this. I'd like that to be very clear.

I hired a philly attorney when some scum bag stole my files. He made sure his sites would never see a dime of my money. I will contact him tomorrow as I think this guy is about *what is right*

Paul Markham 07-23-2012 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19075135)

If only you were paid by thread views, number of pages, virtual high fives or kudos replies. You would be a champ.

:2 cents:

Quote:

My posts on this matter have absolutely nothing to do with you making a mint or not.

My point in showing how little has been contributed, and the number of contributors, is that despite ENDLESS threads on this matter over the years, very few have bothered to flip you a dime. When it comes to BITCHING and making new threads, there is no shortage of volunteers. But when it comes down to ACTION or flipping a few dollars, it's crickets and tumbleweeds.

Here is who has actually replied to this thread. How many flipped you anything beyond a virtual kudos? The point is not the money. The point is that you are doing something that is getting results, and you can get next to NO "industry" support behind you.
He has a very good point. How many of the posters praising are helping AK?

Major (Tom) 07-23-2012 10:39 PM

What's the url to donate?
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krylon 07-23-2012 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19076765)
He has a very good point. How many of the posters praising are helping AK?

LOL. great of you to quote his post, and ask the same question as he did. I'm sure most of us didn't get the gist of it, while reading his post, that we had to read your post to understand it.

thanks Paul Markham

CurrentlySober 07-24-2012 12:33 AM

Well I for one donated, and I dont start crybaby threads :2 cents:

DamianJ 07-24-2012 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand (Post 19076167)
But their business model is not built on piracy.

I don't remember suggesting otherwise?

peterk 07-24-2012 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19076765)
He has a very good point. How many of the posters praising are helping AK?

how much have you donated paul ????

notjoe 07-24-2012 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19075714)
He is choosing his targets, so what? don't remember him saying otherwise :2 cents:

you can theorize about piracy or be pragmatic and take down those you can, ADK is doing the latter, good on him.

I thought it was about anyone file locker that supports piracy, whether public support or by hosting files. I can have a 100-0 record for won fights but it means nothing if i am beating up kids and not fighting the adults ;)

JOKER 07-24-2012 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterk (Post 19076928)
how much have you donated paul ????

Always look in the mirror first before asking questions about others. :2 cents:

Paul is contributing more than most in this thread can say. :thumbsup

And sure, Barefootsies you do have a point, a good one, too - but that does not stop CopyControl's group effort moving forward on this issue.

It's better and more productive to concentrate on the positive rather than on the negative and every contribution in time, workforce, intel or monetary value is highly appreciated but this fight will continue either way.

For anyone that does want to contribute:

1.: Donate your time / workforce: You can leave your eMail address in this thread and someone will get in touch with you, or you can send it through the contact form on SFL and someone will get in touch with you.

2.: You can donate money HERE or by clicking the ChipIn! widget in the sidebar on http://stopfilelockers.com

If you want to contribute intel that could help CopyControl's efforts, please also use the contact form

Thank you.

AdultKing 07-24-2012 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19076953)
I thought it was about anyone file locker that supports piracy, whether public support or by hosting files. I can have a 100-0 record for won fights but it means nothing if i am beating up kids and not fighting the adults ;)

We're targeting bigger sites however I have lost count of the number of times I have stated that larger sites take much longer to deal with due to the size and complexity of their operations.

Dealing with all these sites is not as simple as picking up the phone and reporting them, it requires extensive analysis, investigation, collation of data and then reporting. Then the payment processors repeat that process in even more forensic detail.

Our successes are seriously disrupting illegal file lockers and support sites. This is evident from the wide range of forums and support sites we are monitoring.

Nautilus 07-24-2012 02:57 AM

Exclusivefaile file locker just lost their paypal account thanks to Met-Art anti-piracy team:

http://exclusivefaile.com/premium.html

Btw, exclusive fail is the damn worst name of a piracy site that I've ever seen hands down :pimp

Russian 07-24-2012 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19076628)
People who want to complain about piracy, tubes, Fabian and the rest need to realize that YOU GAVE IT AWAY.

:2 cents:

BRAVO!

P.S.: I'm trying to contact you in regards to this but you never replied (ICQ, e-mail). How can I reach you?

Barefootsies 07-24-2012 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKER (Post 19076956)
Barefootsies you do have a point, a good one, too - but that does not stop CopyControl's group effort moving forward on this issue.

Agreed. Keep up the good work fine sire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian (Post 19077084)
BRAVO!

P.S.: I'm trying to contact you in regards to this but you never replied (ICQ, e-mail). How can I reach you?

I am rarely on ICQ any more, and when I am it's to hop on to talk to someone and hop off. I did not get any emails, I have not answered in regards to the link you cited. It's not to say it could not have ended up in my spam folder. I would need your contact info to look up any lost email. Thanks.

Russian 07-24-2012 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19077094)
I would need your contact info to look up any lost email. Thanks.

Look for e-mail address ending with [email protected]. Thanks.

DWB 07-24-2012 07:01 AM

Has Xbiz covered this yet, or only AVN?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19076628)
Once someone actually started moving on any of these issues, I would have thought "the industry" would have rallied behind them, and charged forward. It seems that the most that "the industry" can do is post new threads on a forum, and throw you a few kudos.

If the whole industry got behind him, it would mean they would all have to shut down their pirate operations. I think the silence from the "big boys" says more than we think, and the lack of support from the small guys shows how much they probably rely on the file lockers for free shit.

There have been multiple efforts over the years to gather people to fight piracy, all have failed. I was at the first ever piracy meeting in LA years ago. It was packed. That started a long line of failed attempts to get just a few guys together to fight these sites. Instead of making it work and putting in real effort, most of them figured out they could make a few peanuts per title by leasing them to tube sites, so they did exactly that.

It's pathetic really. But you are right, everyone let it happen, and continue to do so.

I'll also note, there is always anti-piracy stuff going down out of the public eye that others don't know about. A site is quietly taken offline here and there or forced into working with content owners, but no one has ever been this successful before. Not even close. It's exactly the thing many of us have been hoping for. It's just a shame 100% of the industry is not behind it.

adultmobile 07-24-2012 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves (Post 19076274)
Very impressive work. On a forum that's polluted with shit talkers, it's nice to see action.

It is like, hey, I am reading this really in GFY or is another forum.

SKUP 07-24-2012 09:18 AM

Thank you, but the ACIUF is doing fine and we are still going strong. I know a lot of people hate our guts and we went underground ;-). We are here to stay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19077239)
Has Xbiz covered this yet, or only AVN?



If the whole industry got behind him, it would mean they would all have to shut down their pirate operations. I think the silence from the "big boys" says more than we think, and the lack of support from the small guys shows how much they probably rely on the file lockers for free shit.

There have been multiple efforts over the years to gather people to fight piracy, all have failed. I was at the first ever piracy meeting in LA years ago. It was packed. That started a long line of failed attempts to get just a few guys together to fight these sites. Instead of making it work and putting in real effort, most of them figured out they could make a few peanuts per title by leasing them to tube sites, so they did exactly that.

It's pathetic really. But you are right, everyone let it happen, and continue to do so.

I'll also note, there is always anti-piracy stuff going down out of the public eye that others don't know about. A site is quietly taken offline here and there or forced into working with content owners, but no one has ever been this successful before. Not even close. It's exactly the thing many of us have been hoping for. It's just a shame 100% of the industry is not behind it.


Nautilus 07-24-2012 09:41 AM

Bzlink.us file locker just lost their only remaining payment option, Moneybookers, thanks to Removeyourcontent.com.

http://bzlink.us/?op=payments&type=&amount=

Kill them when they're still young, because dealing with older well entrenched sites that process alot of sales with the billing companies is much harder.

Dirty F 07-24-2012 10:02 AM

So how's your sales people? People buying like it's 2003 again? :1orglaugh

Adultking, notice how less and less people comment in this thread and act all excited?
It's because the majority thought that this stuff would have impact on their sales which ofcourse it won't. Now after weeks they finally figured this out and lost all interest.
Typical adult webmaster behaviour.

notjoe 07-24-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19077572)
So how's your sales people? People buying like it's 2003 again? :1orglaugh

Adultking, notice how less and less people comment in this thread and act all excited?
It's because the majority thought that this stuff would have impact on their sales which ofcourse it won't. Now after weeks they finally figured this out and lost all interest.
Typical adult webmaster behaviour.

OMFG! I Got one more sale this month! IT HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF STOP FILE LOCKERS! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Let them enjoy their futile campaign. The reality is that I suspect anything they've done has hardly made a dent in the overall piracy numbers. They keep going after the little guys. I'll be more impressed when I see these sites 1) actually go offline 2) are bigger sites.

Truth is...these file lockers closing down will have no impact on anything at all. If they wanted to make a difference get rid of tube sites.

GetSCORECash 07-24-2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19076149)
MyDownloader.net have had Paypal terminated, we are going after 2000 Charge and resellers next.

http://stopfilelockers.com/mydownloa...l-filelockers/

Is this the same 2000 Charge that attends adult trade shows and we use for processing or another entity with a similar name?

GetSCORECash 07-24-2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19077239)
Has Xbiz covered this yet, or only AVN?

We sent XBIZ and AVN multiple e-mails with no response over the years. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19077239)
A site is quietly taken offline here and there or forced into working with content owners, but no one has ever been this successful before. Not even close. It's exactly the thing many of us have been hoping for. It's just a shame 100% of the industry is not behind it.


DWB 07-24-2012 10:52 AM

File locker face.

http://stoppornpiracy.com/boards/baby.jpg

Three.Thousand 07-24-2012 11:24 AM

if it didnt have any effect, why the fuck is everyone crying over at wjunction?
and its not about piracy, or getting sales back up, its foremost about profiting off of others work. But those who dont get it, has obviously never created anything, that has been stolen(duplicated, whatever) and made someone else money without your consent.

for all those who think its all good to do it, please go shoot a porno, or a mainstream movie, or record a track, and send a copy over to me. I'd be happy to give away your shit for free.

signupdamnit 07-24-2012 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19077572)
So how's your sales people? People buying like it's 2003 again? :1orglaugh

Adultking, notice how less and less people comment in this thread and act all excited?
It's because the majority thought that this stuff would have impact on their sales which ofcourse it won't. Now after weeks they finally figured this out and lost all interest.
Typical adult webmaster behaviour.

Actually I've seen an increase in $100 sales. Many of the people using file lockers used to be our best customers. They are often addicted to porn in general. Often they are some of the biggest fans of a particular site or niche. Over the last year a lot of links on forums have gone dead. Huge amounts of pirate content have gone offline. I believe this has encouraged some to pay again. The effect will probably increase as time goes on. People will want to feed their porn addictions.

signupdamnit 07-24-2012 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand (Post 19077777)
if it didnt have any effect, why the fuck is everyone crying over at wjunction?
and its not about piracy, or getting sales back up, its foremost about profiting off of others work. But those who dont get it, has obviously never created anything, that has been stolen(duplicated, whatever) and made someone else money without your consent.

for all those who think its all good to do it, please go shoot a porno, or a mainstream movie, or record a track, and send a copy over to me. I'd be happy to give away your shit for free.

It's hurting them. I know on a few forums 80% of the content there is now offline.

lucas131 07-24-2012 11:53 AM

very nice long and hard work, keep it up guys! :thumbsup

Triple-A 07-24-2012 01:38 PM

Great work, having just spent 1200 Quid on my latest small filmshoot nothing depresses me more than seeing it all ripped by the scum that make easy money off my hard work. Small producers like me battling to survive appreciate seeing the pirates and filelockers hurting too!

SiMpLe 07-24-2012 02:37 PM

Webmoney is the new paypal :disgust

Redrob 07-24-2012 02:58 PM

Keep up the good work and never let the bastards get you down.

DWB 07-24-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand (Post 19077777)
if it didnt have any effect, why the fuck is everyone crying over at wjunction?
and its not about piracy, or getting sales back up, its foremost about profiting off of others work. But those who dont get it, has obviously never created anything, that has been stolen(duplicated, whatever) and made someone else money without your consent.

for all those who think its all good to do it, please go shoot a porno, or a mainstream movie, or record a track, and send a copy over to me. I'd be happy to give away your shit for free.

Well said. :2 cents:

It's not about "getting sales back." It's about ownership and stopping others trying to profit from something stolen from you.

And like you said, to think otherwise just clearly shows you don't create anything of value and/or have no real skin in the game. It's no longer worth even debating the topic with those types.

On that note, good night everyone. Sun is coming up on this side of the world and I can hear the monks chanting. Time for sleep.

AdultKing 07-24-2012 04:21 PM

Over night we had two generous contributions , I have sent emails thanking those contributors and would like to again thank everyone who has been able to contribute.

As for our work, we are disrupting piracy. The naysayers who like to bag our efforts merely add to our determination and resolve to keep tackling this issue.

There are those who say we are only making a dent, Stop File Lockers has only existed for 28 days. In that short time we have shut down the payment processing for file lockers, video streaming sites, resellers of piracy related services, enabling services and some forums.

Just two days ago we submitted our largest ever batch of reports to Paypal of hundreds of sites using more than 250 Paypal accounts.

We monitor several forums, WJunction is one, and what we see is that our disruptive efforts have caused mayhem in the uploader community. This is a great start because as up loaders feel they are less likely to be rewarded for their efforts then there will be less copyright content available on file lockers.

Some of what we do will never be reported or seen, we never discuss operational matters and rarely disclose targets prior to action being taken. We have a dedicated band of collaborators behind the scenes and almost anyone can get involved.

As Copy Control matures we will become even more effective. We have learned much over a less than 30 day period, we will apply what we have learned to future operations.

My suggestion to the naysayers is simple. If you think you can do better then go for it. The more people and organisations tackling this problem the better.

Robbie 07-24-2012 05:00 PM

AdultKing you are doing an amazing job!

Axeman 07-24-2012 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19078511)
AdultKing you are doing an amazing job!

Absolutely agree!

johnnyloadproductions 07-24-2012 10:47 PM

bumpin' before barefootsie starts huffing about virtual high fives and makes criticisms toward everyone.
He would be more constructive if he said if you can't donate or can't bother with too much time how about you go to stopfilelockers.com, register, and make some positive uplifting posts in the comments section to counter all the negative posts.
More text equals more for the SE to index and it's better to get an indication of more sane and rational arguments from people who are hurt from this theft.
Most comments are just rabid remarks from hurt upload monkeys.


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