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blogsy 08-04-2012 01:02 AM

whats the best way to log a report into PP re these guys? is it a simple email to abuse @ pp.com

Voland 13 08-04-2012 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19102283)
Once a site has been terminated by Paypal, additional Paypal accounts are very quick to deal with. All the delays are at the start of the process, where the site needs to be investigated.

Some sites have moved to Avangate, which is a software reselling platform based in the Netherlands but with offices in the USA.

Other sites have moved to 3rd party processors like PosOnline in Italy.

All of the above accept MasterCard and Visa.

Visa & MC - thats nuts.. Shame!

keep em comin AK :thumbsup

You guys rocked it again and again.

Axeman 08-04-2012 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blogsy (Post 19102668)
whats the best way to log a report into PP re these guys? is it a simple email to abuse @ pp.com

Fill out this form, and email off to them. Also to aup @ paypal.com

https://cms.paypal.com/cms_content/AU/en_AU/files/ua/infringementreport.pdf

Paul Markham 08-04-2012 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman (Post 19102679)
Fill out this form, and email off to them. Also to aup @ paypal.com

https://cms.paypal.com/cms_content/A...mentreport.pdf

This needs to be spread around so they get the size of the problem, if not already well aware.

Especially with CP type links.

Triple-A 08-04-2012 03:00 AM

*weekend bump*

No doubt there will be plans to continue pressuring Visa and MC at some point about filelockers?
I'd be willing to offer some time if needed if this gets bigger and bigger and I know a few of my fellow spanko producers here in the UK and Holland would help too!

AdultKing 08-04-2012 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19102736)
This needs to be spread around so they get the size of the problem, if not already well aware.

Especially with CP type links.

Infringement reports should be limited to infringement upon copyright works. Only copyright holders or their representatives can file them.

The correct place to report CP is law enforcement.

Please do not blur these issues they are entirely separate.

Nautilus 08-04-2012 11:14 AM

Vreer.com and Filesline.com file lockers also lost their Paypal accounts this week. Filesline is now trying to use new Paypal account in an attempt to bypass termination, but that wouldn't last long.

adultmobile 08-04-2012 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19100839)
I'm on ICQ only periodically. If you can't find me due to timezone differences then try sending an email via the contact form on stopfilelockers.com

Your contact form gave me the cute error message below:

"Failed to send your message. Please try later or contact the administrator by another method."

AdultKing 08-04-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19103559)
Your contact form gave me the cute error message below:

"Failed to send your message. Please try later or contact the administrator by another method."

We looked at this and can't replicate that error, could you try again ?

Paul Markham 08-04-2012 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19103185)
Infringement reports should be limited to infringement upon copyright works. Only copyright holders or their representatives can file them.

The correct place to report CP is law enforcement.

Please do not blur these issues they are entirely separate.

OK noted.

What about links that indicate CP and normal porn?

AdultKing 08-05-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19104172)
OK noted.

What about links that indicate CP and normal porn?

As stated, CP should be reported to law enforcement.

Normal porn is no different from any other content, only the rights holder can file infringement reports to deal with it.

AdultKing 08-05-2012 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple-A (Post 19103049)
*weekend bump*

No doubt there will be plans to continue pressuring Visa and MC at some point about filelockers?
I'd be willing to offer some time if needed if this gets bigger and bigger and I know a few of my fellow spanko producers here in the UK and Holland would help too!

We are already progressed on dialogue with Mastercard and are working on the Visa issue.

Unlike Paypal, which wholly controls it's own system, Mastercard and Visa are brands with many layers of bureaucracy between the global brand and the actual merchant. This means that seeing results on reports can take much longer than with Paypal who can terminate merchants instantly.

Nautilus 08-05-2012 05:58 AM

No more Paypal at Depositfiles?

http://depositfiles.com/gold/payment.php

helterskelter808 08-05-2012 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19104457)
As stated, CP should be reported to law enforcement

That's not what you were doing though, is it?

krylon 08-05-2012 08:35 AM

business as usual
 
bump.. ak, seems business has increased for all these indians after you took their favorite file lockers pp accounts away, threads at WJ seem to be full of people reporting higher earnings with all their old hosters. :( How did they adapt so fast? I see almost all of them now are accepting Visa & Mastercard with 3rd party merchant accounts. Even your favorite ryushare is back in full force.

Well, good luck with your campaign, I'm still following it. Kudos to you and your team.

Saw an interesting article on slashdot:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/...tes-always-win

Axeman 08-05-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 19104917)
No more Paypal at Depositfiles?

http://depositfiles.com/gold/payment.php

Looks like they are using Payspace to process credit cards only.

Paul Markham 08-05-2012 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19104457)
As stated, CP should be reported to law enforcement.

Normal porn is no different from any other content, only the rights holder can file infringement reports to deal with it.

I understand what you're saying. My understanding was Visa or some merchants ban certain words. The police don't care if the headline indicates CP, they are worried about the content.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19104461)
We are already progressed on dialogue with Mastercard and are working on the Visa issue.

Unlike Paypal, which wholly controls it's own system, Mastercard and Visa are brands with many layers of bureaucracy between the global brand and the actual merchant. This means that seeing results on reports can take much longer than with Paypal who can terminate merchants instantly.

Great moves forward. Merchants and banks are very anti things the CC companies hate. Multicard lost their ability to process when it was discovered they were processing for Bestiality sites. So can the fight be stepped up to the merchants?

EpicPanda 08-05-2012 10:24 AM

I've been following the Oron vs. Corbin Fisher case here:

http://ia600705.us.archive.org/22/it...rts.nvd.88374/

I'm not a lawyer, but my interpretation of where things stand as of today as follows:

1) In the Hong Kong version of the case, Oron requested 3.4 million be released from their frozen account (which holds 8-13 million) for "regular business expenses". The judge was willing to do it, but required that Oron itemize these expenses, and show proof of how they arrived at this particular amount. Oron's lawyers kept indicating to the judge to look at past transactions in the bank statements before him, but the Hong Kong judge wasn't buying it. He said all these past records showed was that Oron was moving it's money rapidly out of the US to Hong Kong, and then converting it into gold for withdraw. He released $269,000 dollars to cover expenses and told them they had 3 days to submit actual documentation of their expenses to get the full amount. Oron did submit a letter from Leaseweb where Leaseweb detailed a huge sum of money owed to it by an individual named G Maksim, but the judge wouldn't accept that letter as proof that it was an obligation of Oron's (FF Magnat's). This happened in late July, and Oron apparently declined the Court's offer to release more funds if more documentation is submitted.
2) Meanwhile in the US, Oron is telling the judge the site is down now because the injunction freezing its funds is a chokehold. It claims that this all very unfair, and that Oron is an innocent victim. They want the case thrown out on the grounds that a) Oron doesn't have any business ties in Nevada b) Oron is protected by safe harbor provisions in the DMCA, and have always had a robust anti-piracy policy in place. Oron claims they block copyrighted files by MD5 hash tag on the server level and delete repeat infringers.
3) Corbin Fisher's witnesses have submitted statements and screenshots indicating that: a) Oron, Pornbb, and forumophilia all share the same owner. The latter two are huge porn piracy boards, where Oron, a once unpopular filehost, was suddenly shoved down the throats of its users as the preferred filehost by means of a user poll that suspiciously jumped to favor Oron in the closing hours. The communities there objected and people quit in protest, but it's since settled in as the primary host.
B) It's unlikely a hosting company with a long term relationship with a client would suddenly pull the plug on it in the way that Oron is claiming Leaseweb has. And some collusion between them is being inferred by Corbin Fisher's side.
4) Corbin Fisher has told both the American court and the Hong Kong court that a settlement was reached between them and Oron, but that Oron is now trying to back out of it. It wants this settlement enforced.

adultmobile 08-05-2012 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19103934)
We looked at this and can't replicate that error, could you try again ?

On both IE9 and firefox 14, same error, tried now... and topic and texts was just "test" in every field, except email I must put one or say validation error. The URL adds a #wpcf7-f4-p10-o1 after error submnit:

http://stopfilelockers.com/contact-a...pcf7-f4-p10-o1

Maybe I should write some offense in textfield for making it work? :)

AdultKing 08-05-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 19104917)
No more Paypal at Depositfiles?

http://depositfiles.com/gold/payment.php

As we understand it Deposit Files lost Paypal quite a while ago when we first reported their termination. What we think happened was that they used Paypal accounts they had on ice until Paypal acted on those also.

Quote:

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19104937)
That's not what you were doing though, is it?

We have never discussed operational matters publicly and are not about to do so now.

Our advice to anyone who has concerns about CP is that those concerns should be reported to law enforcement.


Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19105030)
bump.. ak, seems business has increased for all these indians after you took their favorite file lockers pp accounts away, threads at WJ seem to be full of people reporting higher earnings with all their old hosters. :( How did they adapt so fast? I see almost all of them now are accepting Visa & Mastercard with 3rd party merchant accounts. Even your favorite ryushare is back in full force.

File Lockers were always going to switch to other payment methods where they could. That doesn't mean that we aren't pursuing them or that their new payment methods are any more secure than Paypal was for them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19105510)
On both IE9 and firefox 14, same error, tried now... and topic and texts was just "test" in every field, except email I must put one or say validation error. The URL adds a #wpcf7-f4-p10-o1 after error submnit:

http://stopfilelockers.com/contact-a...pcf7-f4-p10-o1

Maybe I should write some offense in textfield for making it work? :)

We'll check it out, in the meantime I am on ICQ for a while at the moment.

Paul Markham 08-06-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhadPanda (Post 19105142)
I've been following the Oron vs. Corbin Fisher case here:

http://ia600705.us.archive.org/22/it...rts.nvd.88374/

I'm not a lawyer, but my interpretation of where things stand as of today as follows:

1) In the Hong Kong version of the case, Oron requested 3.4 million be released from their frozen account (which holds 8-13 million) for "regular business expenses". The judge was willing to do it, but required that Oron itemize these expenses, and show proof of how they arrived at this particular amount. Oron's lawyers kept indicating to the judge to look at past transactions in the bank statements before him, but the Hong Kong judge wasn't buying it. He said all these past records showed was that Oron was moving it's money rapidly out of the US to Hong Kong, and then converting it into gold for withdraw. He released $269,000 dollars to cover expenses and told them they had 3 days to submit actual documentation of their expenses to get the full amount. Oron did submit a letter from Leaseweb where Leaseweb detailed a huge sum of money owed to it by an individual named G Maksim, but the judge wouldn't accept that letter as proof that it was an obligation of Oron's (FF Magnat's). This happened in late July, and Oron apparently declined the Court's offer to release more funds if more documentation is submitted.
2) Meanwhile in the US, Oron is telling the judge the site is down now because the injunction freezing its funds is a chokehold. It claims that this all very unfair, and that Oron is an innocent victim. They want the case thrown out on the grounds that a) Oron doesn't have any business ties in Nevada b) Oron is protected by safe harbor provisions in the DMCA, and have always had a robust anti-piracy policy in place. Oron claims they block copyrighted files by MD5 hash tag on the server level and delete repeat infringers.
3) Corbin Fisher's witnesses have submitted statements and screenshots indicating that: a) Oron, Pornbb, and forumophilia all share the same owner. The latter two are huge porn piracy boards, where Oron, a once unpopular filehost, was suddenly shoved down the throats of its users as the preferred filehost by means of a user poll that suspiciously jumped to favor Oron in the closing hours. The communities there objected and people quit in protest, but it's since settled in as the primary host.
B) It's unlikely a hosting company with a long term relationship with a client would suddenly pull the plug on it in the way that Oron is claiming Leaseweb has. And some collusion between them is being inferred by Corbin Fisher's side.
4) Corbin Fisher has told both the American court and the Hong Kong court that a settlement was reached between them and Oron, but that Oron is now trying to back out of it. It wants this settlement enforced.

Thanks for this.

turt_t 08-06-2012 07:45 AM

What's up?

Axeman 08-06-2012 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhadPanda (Post 19105142)
I've been following the Oron vs. Corbin Fisher case here:

http://ia600705.us.archive.org/22/it...rts.nvd.88374/

I'm not a lawyer, but my interpretation of where things stand as of today as follows:

1) In the Hong Kong version of the case, Oron requested 3.4 million be released from their frozen account (which holds 8-13 million) for "regular business expenses". The judge was willing to do it, but required that Oron itemize these expenses, and show proof of how they arrived at this particular amount. Oron's lawyers kept indicating to the judge to look at past transactions in the bank statements before him, but the Hong Kong judge wasn't buying it. He said all these past records showed was that Oron was moving it's money rapidly out of the US to Hong Kong, and then converting it into gold for withdraw. He released $269,000 dollars to cover expenses and told them they had 3 days to submit actual documentation of their expenses to get the full amount. Oron did submit a letter from Leaseweb where Leaseweb detailed a huge sum of money owed to it by an individual named G Maksim, but the judge wouldn't accept that letter as proof that it was an obligation of Oron's (FF Magnat's). This happened in late July, and Oron apparently declined the Court's offer to release more funds if more documentation is submitted.
2) Meanwhile in the US, Oron is telling the judge the site is down now because the injunction freezing its funds is a chokehold. It claims that this all very unfair, and that Oron is an innocent victim. They want the case thrown out on the grounds that a) Oron doesn't have any business ties in Nevada b) Oron is protected by safe harbor provisions in the DMCA, and have always had a robust anti-piracy policy in place. Oron claims they block copyrighted files by MD5 hash tag on the server level and delete repeat infringers.
3) Corbin Fisher's witnesses have submitted statements and screenshots indicating that: a) Oron, Pornbb, and forumophilia all share the same owner. The latter two are huge porn piracy boards, where Oron, a once unpopular filehost, was suddenly shoved down the throats of its users as the preferred filehost by means of a user poll that suspiciously jumped to favor Oron in the closing hours. The communities there objected and people quit in protest, but it's since settled in as the primary host.
B) It's unlikely a hosting company with a long term relationship with a client would suddenly pull the plug on it in the way that Oron is claiming Leaseweb has. And some collusion between them is being inferred by Corbin Fisher's side.
4) Corbin Fisher has told both the American court and the Hong Kong court that a settlement was reached between them and Oron, but that Oron is now trying to back out of it. It wants this settlement enforced.

Nice to see the HK judge call them on it.

Triple-A 08-06-2012 12:31 PM

back to the top...

Paul Markham 08-06-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turt_t (Post 19106492)
What's up?

Not a lot here on GFY, so giving it a BUMP. :thumbsup

Emma 08-06-2012 12:36 PM

http://www.gifflix.com/files/b5980c3e1d40.jpg

kristin 08-06-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19105108)
I understand what you're saying. My understanding was Visa or some merchants ban certain words. The police don't care if the headline indicates CP, they are worried about the content.

I thought this as well. Being able to report them to PayPal for using terms like Lolita.

19teenporn 08-06-2012 05:30 PM

First page please.

Captain Kawaii 08-06-2012 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman (Post 19106709)
Nice to see the HK judge call them on it.

It probably helped the judge's decision that Oron's bank is being investigated on 3 continents for money laundering all kinds of criminals from cartels to file lockers to "fill in the blank"

AdultKing 08-06-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin (Post 19107064)
I thought this as well. Being able to report them to PayPal for using terms like Lolita.

I don't know if Paypal have a list of banned words. Their AUP covers usage.

Visa and Mastercard seem to have banned words however their enforcement seems to be very selective at best.

Paul Markham 08-07-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19107844)
I don't know if Paypal have a list of banned words. Their AUP covers usage.

Visa and Mastercard seem to have banned words however their enforcement seems to be very selective at best.

Are the banks who process for the processors worried?

AdultKing 08-07-2012 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19108073)
Are the banks who process for the processors worried?

There are so many banks who carry merchant relationships with merchants it's not practical to communicate with them over this issue.

Paul Markham 08-07-2012 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19108321)
There are so many banks who carry merchant relationships with merchants it's not practical to communicate with them over this issue.

Banks that can't be found, talked to and happy to process for porn?

They might act faster than we think. Still worth adding the bank to the list if they can be found.

nikki99 08-07-2012 08:31 AM

I hope oron rot in hell

Nautilus 08-07-2012 11:54 AM

Muchshare.net file locker lost their Paypal account (again), and their Moneybookers account too.

http://muchshare.net/?op=payments

SiMpLe 08-07-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 19108976)
Muchshare.net file locker lost their Paypal account (again), and their Moneybookers account too.

http://muchshare.net/?op=payments

and payza - The preferred secure payment processor for Muhammad Ayub Khan

sounds legit lolz

FoxtrotAlpha 08-07-2012 12:37 PM

any news on rapidgator yet?

good to see depositfiles and a few other large hosts have stopped using paypal, some even stopped affiliate programs altogether.

Gozarian 08-07-2012 03:22 PM

bump bump bump

19teenporn 08-07-2012 03:52 PM

Killing motherfucking filelockers

Triple-A 08-07-2012 04:12 PM

This thread gets me hard :)

[Labret] 08-07-2012 04:37 PM

You taking requests?

These guys are a serious pain in my, and many others, ass: http://www.gay-bb.org

They operate the file locker livefile.org

These guys lose their paypal and that forum goes bye bye.

AdultKing 08-07-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19108391)
Banks that can't be found, talked to and happy to process for porn?

They might act faster than we think. Still worth adding the bank to the list if they can be found.

Banks deal with the individual merchant relationships under the card systems owned by Visa and Mastercard. Dealing directly with each individual bank would not only be time wasting but would not achieve anything as no bank will discuss individual accounts with third parties.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxtrotAlpha (Post 19109067)
any news on rapidgator yet?

good to see depositfiles and a few other large hosts have stopped using paypal, some even stopped affiliate programs altogether.

We usually don't disclose which sites are being targeted nor discuss operational matters in public. We are, however, currently working on a handful of high profile sites and this process takes time.


Quote:

Originally Posted by [Labret] (Post 19109395)
You taking requests?

These guys are a serious pain in my, and many others, ass: http://www.gay-bb.org

They operate the file locker livefile.org

These guys lose their paypal and that forum goes bye bye.

Noted. We already have this site on our radar. Thanks.

xXXtesy10 08-07-2012 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Labret] (Post 19109395)
You taking requests?

These guys are a serious pain in my, and many others, ass: http://www.gay-bb.org

.

Literally :1orglaugh

L-Pink 08-07-2012 07:48 PM

Awesome work AK :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

.

MrDeiz 08-07-2012 10:32 PM

would like to bring some fuel into this thread

topnotch, standup guy 08-08-2012 12:54 AM

Bump, bump, bump.

Let's keep those upload monkeys on the run :thumbsup







.

Paul Markham 08-08-2012 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 19109706)
would like to bring some fuel into this thread

It's now the days of rinse and repeat.

LB-69 08-08-2012 08:53 AM

Up up UP

nikki99 08-08-2012 09:07 AM

oron.com still down :)

dgraves 08-08-2012 11:36 AM

This is almost working to good. I got an email from PayPal letting me know that my account has been limited. When I contacted them they said it was because one of my listed email addresses was adult related. Kind of funny but still a pain in the ass.


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