Originally Posted by rogueteens

Of cause it happened but I also believe that the horrific actions were "hijacked" by the Jewish media after the war for their own ends, how little mention is now made of all the other groups exterminated? you have to be a bit of a history buff to know that the camps also housed gays, communists, gypsies, priests, mentally ill people, prostitutes, trade unionists, ect ...

Originally Posted by Mutt

"The German Nazi crimes against the Polish nation,[1][2][3] claimed approximately 5.6 million,[4] to 5.8 million lives,[5] of whom 3.1 million were Polish Jews,[4] two million were ethnic Poles, and the remaining half-a-million minorities.[4][6] The crimes were committed during the course of the 1939 invasion,[7] as well as the subsequent occupation of Poland in World War II.[8] The genocidal policy of the German Third Reich against Polish citizens ? as the epicenter of Nazi German war crimes (1939?45) and crimes against humanity ? resulted in the death of 16.7?17.2% of Poland's prewar population (1932 census)."

Originally Posted by theking

Since I do not have a reason to disbelieve it...yes I accept the story.

Originally Posted by NewNick

I dont accept the story.

A accept the EVIDENCE.

The mountains of documentary, pictorial, and first hand eye witness evidence. It is part of the German psyche to meticulously document and cost every train, every man woman and child, every bullet. The value of everything stolen and the cost of each transport and subsequent death was accounted for.

The Nazis did not deny the Holocaust took place. They ordered it. They were proud of it. Many of them gave detailed statements and witness accounts as to their part in it. Both in written statements and under oath at the subsequent trials.

This is my only post on the matter.

Originally Posted by NewNick

The Nazis did not deny the Holocaust took place. They ordered it. They were proud of it. Many of them gave detailed statements and witness accounts as to their part in it. Both in written statements and under oath at the subsequent trials.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Those statements were traded for sparing their lives.

Russia was behind the fabrication of evidence at the Nuremberg trials. They had a lot to lose. They invaded Poland with Germany. Discussions of history like to sweep that fact under the rug.

The Katyn forest massacre for instance was covered up by Russia and the US for decades.

"The US has long held in its possession verified documentation proving the 1940 Katyn forest massacre of several thousand Polish POWs was committed by the Soviet Union. Why did Washington conceal it: to cover-up for its wartime ally Josef Stalin."
Read more:
http://rt.com/news/katyn-massacre-documents-usa-816/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Originally Posted by crucifissio

200.000 people got killed just in the civil wars in my country and we are pretty small compared to the entire european population in world war for over 4 years...I would not be surprised at 6 million over 4 years this is around 4000 people a day and divide this by many many concentration camps everywhere plus factor in the fighting and disease and freezing to death and its a plausible figure IMO

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

Matt what is your motive for your reality-denial?

You just one of the gullible conspiracy suckers that thinks everything is a hoax?

Or are you just anti-semitic?

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

What about all the other eye witness accounts - They are all in on it too?..

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

My motive is a much broader interest in how governments influence the shaping of society and the telling of history.


Eyewitnesses of what, exactly?

If someone says a guard whipped people, this is believable. If they claim a mother was told to throw her young children high in the air so a guard could shoot them and the guard's young daughter cheered this on (an actual claim), I have to question that one.

Originally Posted by Mutt

You have a hard time believing that 3.1 Polish Jews just disappeared off the face of the earth, what about the 2 million non-Jewish Poles?

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Lots of people made it out of the camps - The lucky ones...

I used to work in a Jewish Nursing Home back in the 90's - Are you saying all those nice old ladies where lying to me when they told me their stories?....

Fucking asshole..

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You're allowed to say that Stalin (who supposidely killed 20-60 million people) killed less or upset millions of Catholics by going on a crusade saying God doesn't exist and that's called freedom of speech, but if you upset the Jews by saying that the holocaust didn't happen or anything less then 6 million jews were killed and you go to jail?

That doesn't seem a little strange?

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The gas chambers were used to fumigate clothing to rid them of lice, which were the carriers of typhus. There is no evidence whatsoever that these chambers were used to kill millions of people.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

oh so thats what the chambers where for!

Originally Posted by crucifissio

can you please explain the watermelon sized clusters of gold teeth that I saw whilst visiting said camps? let me guess, gold teeth carry lice?

Originally Posted by NewNick

I dont accept the story.

A accept the EVIDENCE.

The mountains of documentary, pictorial, and first hand eye witness evidence. It is part of the German psyche to meticulously document and cost every train, every man woman and child, every bullet. The value of everything stolen and the cost of each transport and subsequent death was accounted for.

The Nazis did not deny the Holocaust took place. They ordered it. They were proud of it. Many of them gave detailed statements and witness accounts as to their part in it. Both in written statements and under oath at the subsequent trials.

This is my only post on the matter.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Do you deny the existence of typhus outbreaks? Do you deny the measures taken to control the outbreaks?

There are countless photos of chambers with clothing racks in them. Did holocaust deniers Photoshop the bodies out and put the clothing racks in?

Why does the discussion of typhus at the camps make people so uncomfortable?


No, gold teeth do not carry lice, but people with gold teeth get typhus from the lice and die. Someone obviously pulled the gold teeth from the bodies.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

These figures include Polish military forces who fought against the German invasion. German leaders did not just pull up in a car and say they are taking over. There was a war and Poland had been expecting it for years.

I am hesitant to include these deaths in a war crimes tally. If you do that then the US and Britian are guilty of crimes for every "insurgent" killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. An insurgent to an invading nation is a freedom fighter to the nation being invaded. You can't have a double standard.

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

one word bro: Lithium

Originally Posted by DamianJ

successful troll is successful

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

Matt what is your motive for your reality-denial?

You just one of the gullible conspiracy suckers that thinks everything is a hoax?

Or are you just anti-semitic?

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

It's mostly racism and self loathing but mixed with extreme gullibility and water on the brain. He'd believe absolutely anything that reinforces his hate filled delusions.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The gas chambers were used to fumigate clothing to rid them of lice, which were the carriers of typhus. There is no evidence whatsoever that these chambers were used to kill millions of people.

The best evidence is the German military special ordering Zyclon-B with the odor agent removed. The manufacturer was deemed partially liable for the deaths based on the assumption that they should have known the gas was being used to kill people if it was ordered with the odor agent removed. One alternative theory offered is the odor was sticking to the clothes and making everyone uncomfortable.



The original fumigation chambers had warnings all over them. Those warnings were removed because they make it difficult to tell the story that camp residents were tricked into entering.


How these doors look today.


If there's chamber at the camp, it must have been built to be a death chamber!


Brits installed this sign at Bergen-Belsen....


.... but the typhus carrying lice outbreak was deemed so bad that they burned the camp down.


There are no firing squad photos involving camp residents. There is no known proof of murder at these camps. I'm not saying it never happened. Anytime you have military in charge of prisoners there will be some abuses. Probably moreso back in the 1940s compared to today, but certainly not enough to explain mass deaths.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

this topic always brings out the idiots...

actually i am thankful for that, this way i know who to avoid

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

This guy seems to know too much for it to be a troll - I think he actually believes it...

Originally Posted by Mutt

You're an idiot, those non-Jewish Polish deaths don't include war combatants/military.

Originally Posted by Mutt

Allies bombed the shit out of German cities and rightfully so considering what the Germans did to London and other European cities.

Originally Posted by Mutt

need a history class, Hitler unprovoked attacked Poland

Originally Posted by Mutt

and Russia, his goal for Russia was the same as for the Jews, total annihilation, leave no Russian alive.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Of course they do. The invasion was deemed illegal and thus all deaths a crime.


The British also bombed the Bergen-Belsen camp, cutting off the water supply to the camp.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater...ing_(1918?1919)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territo...tion_of_Poland

A territorial dispute involving land in the area of Poland flared up around WW1. It mostly involved Poland and Russia, but Poland also took some German land. This alone wasn't Germany's motive for invasion. They had a list of grievances that go beyond the answers to "Why did Hitler attack Poland?" found all over the web.

One of the biggest influences was jews leaving the country with their financial assets. The people of Germany blamed the economic collapse on jews and the anti-semitism got so bad that jews began fleeing the country to Poland - whose citizens were otherwise persecuting German nationals. This drew the ire of Germany, who did not want to lose their holdings of jewish wealth and considered Poland to be engaging in economic warfare. It was around this time that Britian started talking about a potential safe harbor for jews in Palestine, which threw another log on the fire.


Russia are the ones who went on the offensive against Germany after having second thoughts about their partnership. Would Germany have otherwise gone into Russia? Hard to say. Russia could have been a strategic ally in the region.

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

pavement apes?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1115639

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

An absolutely worthless segment of human society being given way too many rights.

Can anyone here name JUST ONE invention to come out of the middle east in the past 1,000 years? All you have to do is name just one.

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

No answer for me?..

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

how are we giving WAY too many rights to anyone exactly?

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Being locked up has turned into a rite of passage for many blacks. They do not fear the modern criminal justice system. If stuff like this is what it takes to bring that fear back, then so be it.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Whatever it is they told you, it is very possible that it was true. The US military raped women and killed babies in Vietnam. Did those orders come from the White House?

The German military wasn't as straight edge as people think. Hitler didn't show up for work until the afternoon and he would immediately take lunch. Those below him would often act on an assumption of what Hitler wanted or what they claimed to overhear him talking about.

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Whatever it is they told you, it is very possible that it was true. The US military raped women and killed babies in Vietnam. Did those orders come from the White House?

The German military wasn't as straight edge as people think. Hitler didn't show up for work until the afternoon and he would immediately take lunch. Those below him would often act on an assumption of what Hitler wanted or what they claimed to overhear him talking about.

Originally Posted by Due

Are you saying hitler didn't know what was happening and then when he found out he killed himself ?

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

He didn't kill himself. He moved to South America and married a black woman.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...4-aged-95.html

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Everyone debates emissions, but nobody talks about what is likely the primary factor in global warming; destruction of natural areas for development. When you replace heat absorbing wooded areas or prairie lands with a four lane highway, parking lots and heat reflecting buildings, things are going to get hotter.
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