Amazon.com employees are worked so hard that they're crying at their desks, shitting in bags, so you

[Google Expert]

...can have low prices:

Amazon delivery drivers have to 'poo in bags due to working illegal hours and earning less than minimum wage'

11th November 2016

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/216374...-minimum-wage/


Do you feel guilty?

[Bladewire]

Do you feel guilty for using GFY? THe hamsters spin their wheels here day and night for only a couple Cheetos & a teaspoon of chocolate milk a day to keep it running.

[Paul Markham]

They can only do this while the UK has more workers than jobs.

[pimpmaster9000]

this is capitalism for you...if you do not fuck your workers hard, some other company will fuck theirs, and their profit margin will be bigger and they will succeed and you will not...who fucks harder makes the most $$$...think suicide nets in apple factory in china...

[Barry-xlovecam]

I got a Sunday delivery on Amazon Prime that was sent a USPS (post office) minivan (SUV) -- the driver looked happy earning overtime -- he was getting a union wage.

Subcontractors are difficult to control -- that is where the problem is.

Amazon (or the USPS) probably lost money on that Sunday delivery of a $20 USB3 hub I bought. Truthfully, if it was delivered Monday that would have been OK too.

[CurrentlySober]

I'm happy to shit in a bag for free if amazon want me too?

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

...can have low prices:


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/216374...-minimum-wage/


Do you feel guilty?

so big business taking advantage of it's employees! Get used to it as Republicans care about amazon(big business) and not the employees

Next you'll be bitching about Walmart!

I feel as guilty as Trump does about having his shit made in China

[Busty2]

And you believe the shit the Sun prints. Don't its all garbage!

[ianmoone332000]

We could do a whip around for more bags...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

so big business taking advantage of it's employees! Get used to it as Republicans care about amazon(big business) and not the employees

Next you'll be bitching about Walmart!

I feel as guilty as Trump does about having his shit made in China

If you haven't noticed this is happening under Liberal Governments. The decline in wages isn't something you should blame on one party. They both want to reduce wages.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

this is capitalism for you...if you do not fuck your workers hard, some other company will fuck theirs, and their profit margin will be bigger and they will succeed and you will not...who fucks harder makes the most $$$...think suicide nets in apple factory in china...

Whereas under Socialism, workers are poorer. You can counter this with posting wages in a country without Capitalism that are higher?

Another moron who thinks it can be fixed by voting for the other party.

[Lichen]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

Do you feel guilty?

No, they should work harder. The prices are still too high.

[gnawledge]

People who work at Amazon know they have certain duties. Work hard, fulfill their job requirement and shut up. If you work there you know. You're not going in blind. Big demand with stressors. If you can't handle it, leave and work at an easier job. It's pretty simple.

Crying and feeling sorry for yourself does no good. Go wash dishes in a diner or dig ditches with day laborers.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you haven't noticed this is happening under Liberal Governments. The decline in wages isn't something you should blame on one party. They both want to reduce wages.

Why do you make stuff up Paul? Show proof of your statement don't just lie without links yours as bad as the Trumplestiltskins lately

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Whereas under Socialism, workers are poorer. You can counter this with posting wages in a country without Capitalism that are higher?

Another moron who thinks it can be fixed by voting for the other party.

Yes.

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
China.
Denmark.
Finland.
Netherlands.
Canada.
Sweden.
Norway.
Ireland.

[spads]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Yes.

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
China.
Denmark.
Finland.
Netherlands.
Canada.
Sweden.
Norway.
Ireland.

Except that everything that maintains the lifestyle of people in these countries is attributed to capitalism. You can't share the wealth if there's no wealth to share. A perfect example is Venezuela.

[Rochard]

My brother works for Amazon. They start higher than minimum wage. Free medical on day one. The perks are great too.

[crockett]

When I travel I sometimes take temp jobs. I usually do warehouse or shipping and receiving type jobs, because it's easy to get them and the pay is usually ok.

I dunno why but I like to drive heavy equipment and for what ever reason I like to drive reach trucks the most. It's kinda fun tbh.

I've worked in large distrubtion centers all over the country and it's actually kind of cool to see how fast stuff moves in and out of these places. Sort of amazing the entire logistics that is out there which most people are oblivious to.

With that said, in most busy hub cities I can have a job with-in 2 to 3 days making typically $15-18/hr as a temp. Often I'll get 3x12 hr shifts which is common in the industry giving you 4 days off. This is pretty awesome for someone like me which is why I often do it.

Long story short, out of every place I've ever worked Amazon's distrubtion center is the 2nd to the lowest pay I've ever made in that industry. The lowest pay I've ever made was for a gas pump company called Wayne. They were in Texas and the Amazon DC was in FL.

I do believe the states do have a lot to play in those wages. In FL or Texas, a job for say Staples distrubtion center will max out at say $15/hr but the same compamy, same job will pay $18 in CT or CO.

Edit.. I wanted to say the working conditions were not any worse at Amazon it was just lowER than standard pay.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

My brother works for Amazon. They start higher than minimum wage. Free medical on day one. The perks are great too.

McDonalds starts higher than minimum wage. The issue with Amazon, is they have made their logistics operation a very public part of their company. Due to this jobs at their warehouses are more open to the general public, so you get lots of people taking these jobs whom shouldn't be in a warehouse environment or wouldn't normally get those kinds of jobs.

Due to this, they pay lower because they can get away with it being their employee are sheltered from really knowing much about other industry jobs in the same field and what they pay. Amazon is the type of place you work if you have zero experience or it's the only option..

Literally any other major company is better.. Back when I worked for a Staples DC, I was making $18/hr worked 3 days a week (3x12hrs) I had 5 weeks of paid time off every year and health insurance. Anything over 36hrs was over time and they were always giving us little bonuses for making rate or getting us catered food. I ran another business and still had time to do what I wanted.

Granted most places aren't like that but it wasn't as uncommon as you might think. No one that has any experience should stay at Amazon if they have a choice.. It's literally set up to be a high turn over temp workforce.

[Bladewire]

I got an email from Amazon yesterday to try PrimeNow. $10 off to try it, delivery within 2 hours max, up to midnight Christmas eve.

Around 5pm after my kid left for work I went out to get some last minute stocking stuffers and realized he took my car. I didn't know if something was wrong with his so I said Fuck it, went back in and checked out PrimeNow.

I live by the beach so mail delevery, or any delivery really, we're last on the route usually. Long story short I ended up ordering LOTS of stuff because everything from chips to paper towels were a minimum $1 less than what I pay at our store.

After I ordered I could watch the delivery guy, Stuart, on Google maps deliver each of his 2 other deliveries through Laguna Beach before reaching me with a "contact driver" button available if we needed to communicate. Delivered in about an hour, on Christmas Eve.

I know that here in Cali people are legally paid a great living wage so no guilt using Amazon. People who live in states that allow Fuck over wages are the same place where waitresses work on tips only, they should feel guilty. Amazon will follow the laws there and save money where possible it's good business.

Pretty soon my order will be fulfilled by robots and a self driving car, or drone, will deliver it.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I got an email from Amazon yesterday to try PrimeNow. $10 off to try it, delivery within 2 hours max, up to midnight Christmas eve.

Around 5pm after my kid left for work I went out to get some last minute stocking stuffers and realized he took my car. I didn't know if something was wrong with his so I said Fuck it, went back in and checked out PrimeNow.

I live by the beach so mail delevery, or any delivery really, we're last on the route usually. Long story short I ended up ordering LOTS of stuff because everything from chips to paper towels were a minimum $1 less than what I pay at our store.

After I ordered I could watch the delivery guy, Stuart, on Google maps deliver each of his 2 other deliveries through Laguna Beach before reaching me with a "contact driver" button available if we needed to communicate. Delivered in about an hour, on Christmas Eve.

I know that here in Cali everyone from the distribution center people to the driver are paid a great living wage so no guilt using Amazon. People who live in states that allow Fuck over wages are the same place where waitresses work on tips only. Amazon will follow the laws there and save money where possible it's good business.

These wages are often dependent by the state you live in and how competitive the pay is in the area. With that said their delivery drivers are not hourly rate, they are more like an uber for package delivery set up. People working at Amazon WH's in FL for example are making $10-12/hr to start meanwhile Mcdonalds in Denver pays $10)

btw this is what I was taking about in my other post about Republicans pushing states to go Right to Work. I've personally seen the direct effects and the difference between RTW and non RTW states. The only odd ball that hasn't been consistently true is the Denver area. Co is a RTW state but the Denver area has a high pay rate due to it being a boom city. They still however fuck you on things like over time though.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

These wages are often dependent by the state you live in and how competitive the pay is in the area. With that said their delivery drivers are not hourly rate, they are more like an uber for package delivery set up. People working at Amazon WH's in FL for example are making $10-12/hr to start meanwhile Mcdonalds in Denver pays $10)

btw this is what I was taking about in my other post about Republicans pushing states to go Right to Work. I've personally seen the direct effects and the difference between RTW and non RTW states. The only odd ball that hasn't been consistently true is the Denver area. Co is a RTW state but the Denver area has a high pay rate due to it being a boom city. They still however fuck you on things like over time though.

$10-$12 an hour sucks.

Here Amazon is paying $18-$25 an hour for delivery drivers plus they get tips with PrimeNow worked into the final price (you can adjust it within 24hours of delivery). https://flex.amazon.com

I know it's not the same as the wharehouse pay you mentioned just an example of a different pay scale for different work with amazon. RTW states is bullshit. People are leaving states like those and North Carolina fucking people over for states with a sustainable living wage, yet the Electoral College gives the states fucking people over more votes per person than states like California. Fucked up

[spads]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

$10-$12 an hour sucks.

Here Amazon is paying $18-$25 an hour for delivery drivers plus they get tips with PrimeNow worked into the final price (you can adjust it within 24hours of delivery). https://flex.amazon.com

I know it's not the same as the wharehouse pay you mentioned just an example of a different pay scale for different work with amazon. RTW states is bullshit. People are leaving states like those and North Carolina fucking people over for states with a sustainable living wage, yet the Electoral College gives the states fucking people over more votes per person than states like California. Fucked up

You have to pay more in California for jobs than in Florida because the cost of living is a lot higher. You can go to sites like numbeo and see the massive difference in housing costs.


Also these are the states getting most of the population growth. It's largely right to work States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...on_growth_rate

[DBS.US]

https://www.amazon.com/Relief-Dispos...s=brief+relief

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by spads

You have to pay more in California for jobs than in Florida because the cost of living is a lot higher. You can go to sites like numbeo and see the massive difference in housing costs.


Also these are the states getting most of the population growth. It's largely right to work States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...on_growth_rate

I pasted the refugee settlement map for the USA below your population growth map. Texas takes in the most refugees. RTW states, and population growth states on your map, clearly correlate with where we bring in refugees. They primarily goto states with cheaper labor/fewer workers rights.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by spads

You have to pay more in California for jobs than in Florida because the cost of living is a lot higher. You can go to sites like numbeo and see the massive difference in housing costs.


Also these are the states getting most of the population growth. It's largely right to work States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...on_growth_rate

Think about what you are saying for a moment.. Lets say Amazon can pay an employee $18/hr in Cali and still make a profit. I mean they are making a profit or they wouldn't do it.

Now come to FL and they pay $10-12 for the exact same job. They are just fucking the people in FL and taking all the extra profit for themselves.. Why do they do that? Because it's a right to work state and the employees just get fucked because they have no real rights.

Right to work simply equals employer has all rights and employee can get fucked. Amazon doesn't give a fuck what your cost of living is. They only pay what they "have" to in order to be competitive in that market place. The reason they pay more in that area isn't because of housing costs alone, it's because there is upward pressure to have to pay more because competitors have to pay more. Much of this is because workers have rights in Cali..

The reason wages are so fucking low in states like FL & Texas is because workers have no ability to drive pay up. There is plenty of industry in both FL & Texas to drive wages higher but workers have no rights so wages stay low. They can either take the job or fuck off because there is no upward pressure on wage increases due to the workers having no power.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I pasted the refugee settlement map for the USA below your population growth map. Texas takes in the most refugees. RTW states, and population growth states on your map, clearly correlate with where we bring in refugees. They primarily goto states with cheaper labor/fewer workers rights.

What does the bottom map show? I'm not clear with your wording.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

Think about what you are saying for a moment.. Lets say Amazon can pay an employee $18/hr in Cali and still make a profit. I mean they are making a profit or they wouldn't do it.

Now come to FL and they pay $10-12 for the exact same job. They are just fucking the people in FL and taking all the extra profit for themselves.. Why do they do that? Because it's a right to work state and the employees just get fucked because they have no real rights.

They pay whatever rates are competitive enough to get them employees. If they paid 10 in Cali they would not get employees. They do not pay 18 out of generosity, they pay because that is the market rate for employees there. If they get employees for 10 in FL they do not need to pay 18.
That is business 1 on 1, but not for leftist (lets "redistribute" shit to people types) to comprehend, apparently...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

What does the bottom map show? I'm not clear with your wording.

The map shows where refugees are settled after being admitted to the U.S.A

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

They pay whatever rates are competitive enough to get them employees. If they paid 10 in Cali they would not get employees. They do not pay 18 out of generosity, they pay because that is the market rate for employees there. If they get employees for 10 in FL they do not need to pay 18.
That is business 1 on 1, but not for leftist (lets "redistribute" shit to people types) to comprehend, apparently...

You seem to not be able to "comprehend" that I said the exact fucking same thing you just did.. Derpa deurrr

The reason no one will work for $10 in Cali is because they don't have to because there are worker rights/unions ect which push the wages up. The reason workers get fucked in states like Texas and Fl is because workers have no rights.

Why is that a leftist issue to you? Are you so simple minded you can't see the issue here you just have to resort to crying about liberals because they have managed to create higher pay in state's they have long term control in? You really are a victim of team sports when you whine because workers make more in Democrat run states..

That is what this comes down to. you can get all huffy and puffy and whine about liberals, but it's fucking clear as day that Republican run states = workers get fucked corporations make more profit. In Democrat run states workers get a living wage and corporations still make profit but not as much.

Why is expecting a living wage a "leftist" propaganda to you?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why is that a leftist issue to you? Are you so simple minded you can't see the issue here you just have to resort to crying about liberals because they have managed to created higher pay in state's they have long term control in?

As someone already posted: higher wages in Cali, but also higher property prices etc. So it is not as simple (higher wages = better) as that.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

They pay whatever rates are competitive enough to get them employees. If they paid 10 in Cali they would not get employees. They do not pay 18 out of generosity, they pay because that is the market rate for employees there. If they get employees for 10 in FL they do not need to pay 18.

$10 is the minimum wage here and Amazon is paying $18-$25 an hour for flex drivers, which is basically a type of Uber for their prime now delivery driving.

What wage do you see when you go here? https://flex.amazon.com I'm wondering if it's geolocated.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

As someone already posted: higher wages in Cali, but also higher property prices etc. So it is not as simple (higher wages = better) as that.

When I lived in MA, I had a bigger apartment than when I lived in Daytona. My rent was the exact same in both states. Literally it was like $20 different. Taxes in MA were much cheaper sure there was an excise tax on my vehicle but it was nothing. I paid something like $45 for a 2 year tag fort my truck and $15 for the inspection or something close to that.

Meanwhile in FL the tag is $200 then around $50 per year.. Property tax and house insurance is ridiculous in FL so it's not really any cheaper to live here than say MA. Meanwhile you make much better money in MA. Sure FL doesn't have a state tax but they fuck you every way possible on everything else to make up for it. You don't just live there tax free they fucking tax the hell out of you at the gas pump, if you want to build a shed in your yard anything they can add a tax to they do it..

Example the state tax on gas is 36 cents per gallon in FL. In MA it's only 24 cents..

[spads]

Originally Posted by crockett

When I lived in MA, I had a bigger apartment than when I lived in Daytona. My rent was the exact same in both states. Literally it was like $20 different. Taxes in MA were much cheaper sure there was an excise tax on my vehicle but it was nothing. I paid something like $45 for a 2 year tag fort my truck and $15 for the inspection or something close to that.

Meanwhile in FL the tag is $200 then around $50 per year.. Property tax and house insurance is ridiculous in FL so it's not really any cheaper to live here than say MA. Meanwhile you make much better money in MA. Sure FL doesn't have a state tax but they fuck you every way possible on everything else to make up for it. You don't just live there tax free they fucking tax the hell out of you at the gas pump, if you want to build a shed in your yard anything they can add a tax to they do it..

Example the state tax on gas is 36 cents per gallon in FL. In MA it's only 24 cents..

If your rent was the same for a bigger place in MA you didn't live anywhere near a major city or the ocean. Anything remotely close to Boston is stupid expensive.

[spads]

And then there's also the issue of most of these pro union states being dead broke...

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by crockett

Now come to FL and they pay $10-12 for the exact same job. They are just fucking the people in FL and taking all the extra profit for themselves...

They pay $10-$12 because they can get away with it since Floridians settle for less.

Why pay more if people are willing to work for less?

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

this is capitalism for you...if you do not fuck your workers hard, some other company will fuck theirs, and their profit margin will be bigger and they will succeed and you will not...who fucks harder makes the most $$$...think suicide nets in apple factory in china...

Well, unless you out-think them or out innovate them. Which is pretty much what we do. Otherwise the Chinese would already control the world.

[seeandsee]

lol they dont have trackers for professional drivers

[crockett]

Originally Posted by spads

If your rent was the same for a bigger place in MA you didn't live anywhere near a major city or the ocean. Anything remotely close to Boston is stupid expensive.

Of course not, all of MA is not Boston, just like all of FL is not South Beach.. the thing is, wages were still better in an area out side of Boston than in Orlando ,Tampa or Jax.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Yes.

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
China.
Denmark.
Finland.
Netherlands.
Canada.
Sweden.
Norway.
Ireland.

Those are all capitalist countries, with socialistic governments.

You confuse socialism ruled by commies (all state controlled and owned, single party etc.) and socialistic governments in modern capitalist countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

China is different too, even though commies run that.

"The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level."



You sir are idiot.

[Tasty1]

Everybody must make good money, else they can't spent money on my sites.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Those are all capitalist countries, with socialistic governments.

You confuse socialism ruled by commies (all state controlled and owned, single party etc.) and socialistic governments in modern capitalist countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

China is different too, even though commies run that.

"The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level."



You sir are idiot.

Paul said workers under socialism are poorer and I copy pasted a list of most socialist countries...Where did I mention communism? Oh right I didn't...This is why you should gag on dicks less and it won't tear up your eyes and it will greatly increase you reading ability...

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Paul said workers under socialism are poorer and I copy pasted a list of most socialist countries...Where did I mention communism? Oh right I didn't...This is why you should gag on dicks less and it won't tear up your eyes and it will greatly increase you reading ability...

Paul wrote this you stupid commie:

"You can counter this with posting wages in a country without Capitalism that are higher?"

The countries you posted are capitalist countries. Learn reading imbecile.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by Google Expert

...can have low prices:


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/216374...-minimum-wage/


Do you feel guilty?

Not at all.

There has always been a slave labor class throughout human history and that will never change.

Would I want to be doing it? No Fucking Way

[dillfly2000]

sigh, I wish I worked at amazon

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Everybody must make good money, else they can't spent money on my sites.

This is the key factor which Republicans seem to play dumb to. If you understand 1 million people buying 1 million Ford trucks and all the associated things that go with it is more valuable to the economy than 10 guys buying 10 Ferrari.

The thing is Republicans aren't so stupid they don know this, the thing is they know it but don't give a fuck. They convince the simpletons that 10 guys buying 10 Ferrari is better and make them believe that they too will one day be rich enough to buy their own Ferrari as long as they vote Republican.

The key goal of Republicans in govt is not to help the economy or country, but to enrich themselves and cronies.

[Horatio Caine]

Why do those eastern european fucks care so much about US? I just don't get it.
OP, tell us how shit is going in your native Ukraine. Do people get paid $15/hour and still bitch about it?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Paul said workers under socialism are poorer and I copy pasted a list of most socialist countries...Where did I mention communism? Oh right I didn't...This is why you should gag on dicks less and it won't tear up your eyes and it will greatly increase you reading ability...

STFU.. You pimp your cousin for living.

[Jigster715]

Just wait for phase 2 of the globalization plan to kick in starting next year. You think things are bad now...and then we have full immersion in AI and robotics to make our grey skies blue.

[altmman]

Children in China work in sweatshops with bloody fingers so you can have the latest phone on time.
Do you care?

Slaves in Thailand are forced to work peeling shrimp al day and night. If they try to escape they are beaten and threatened with death. They're not allowed to leave. Do you care?