AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

EHhe go GFY style give her this URL and have create a handle.
Let her see for herself what kind of dipshits run websites. There really are only 3 or 4 people that could truly handle her.

You know as well as I do there are alot of hustlers.
Ummm...

The best solution?
A couple beer's, some honest talk and a good time will do wonder's. She seems like a wonderful girl, sounds like got an idea of what she wants.

The same thing we all do.
$$$

And thats fine, but the bad blood, thats far more significant. Ya can't let it go out like that.

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Not true - there's a whole BBW market out there that would love to have some pics of her

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sherie

Bah Steve, the time has come to cut her loose. You have a boat load of content to keep you going for a very very long time. Something tells me that you could make more with her gone then with her around sucking the life out of you and your staff.

People, she was a paid model, she had a job! She didn't do a hell of a lot for what she got. She has been educating herself for years (with income she earned from LS) and is even on her way to owning a home and she's only 22. It's not like she was performing heart surgery. She was paid over a course of 4 years, if she wasn't making bankm it would not have taken her four years to figure it out. If it wasn't for her popularity at the time and Steves internet savvy and marketing skills, she'd be doing what most 18 year girls (by most I mean girls in the sex world bizz) were doing to get through school...that's right, stripping at some dumpy bar and would have shit loads of students loans to pay off.

If she is disruptive to the other girls etc., it's not worth the headache, sure she was number one and 'was' being the core word here...let her go..hardly seems worth the trouble! If someone else wants to take on that problem let them, you have what you need and like you said, "she'll be 18 forever in Lightspeed Land"

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tony286

THere are people that would pay big money to see a fattened up Tawnee. You are so wrong lol

BradShaw

Anyone can be replaced, anyone. There are a dozen more where she came from.

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tony286

THat wasnt my point telling the story ,the point was people get found all the time. I do feel responsible for models I deal with . Ive talked more girl out of doing shoots because I like to look at myself in the mirror. I have cost myself tons of opportunites because of that but I dont need to be rich just happy.

tony286

I dont think its that easy I have seen more sites fail then succeed. It takes both , its not all one or the other but girls are tough and greedy by nature. lol

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I have to disagree with you Brad.
This girl paid her due's, she has talent.

Lightspeed birthed a star with Tawny Stone. The Stardom and fan base will ALWAYS be worth money to her fans.

How does one handle a "Star" birthed on the internet?

Its not been done yet really. So the method to handling such an event goes alot further than just a substitute.

One can not just replace Jenna Jameson with a sub. It don't work like that.
People will always want Jenna, or Tawny for that matter. FANS.

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Kevin2

And how many unknown solo girls are there like that?? Tawnee isn't the only solo girl out there that people are attracted to. It takes a well tuned marketing engine to create a Tawnee. With the knowledge and experience he has built up since he first started Steve could take any hot 18 year old and create another Tawnee.

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GTS Mark

Really?

Steve can you send me Tawnee's number? I'm going to call Burger King and send some food over to her house right now.

I will pay $2,100 plus all the double whoppers she can eat

My new paysite will be

http://www.tawneewhopper.com

DH

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onlymovies

I agree...someone will pick her up. Though I don't agree with paying her what you mentioned Pipe since she doesn't want to include herself in the most basic operations such as updating her journal, cam shows, etc. Small as it seems, it's the little things like that that can have a heavy affect on her surfer following/retention. Sure, Steve can pay someone $10 an hour to do it for her, but then it's the principle of the matter; paying her 2k a month while paying someone else as well to do the work that she should be doing. Bottom line is if Steve is going to lose her, whether it's today or a year from now, it's all the same. The only difference is, Steve will be out $24k if he waits a year.

I would let her go Steve. The deal is done...it's just a matter of how long you want to prolong it..today, or a year from now. You had your run with her, be done with it and concentrate on bigger and better things.

And the "who made who" is in the past and doesn't matter. As of now, you are an established company with a Grade 'A' affiliate program. The only thing you have time for is growing your company. In the grand scheme of things, as much as it might seem you're losing a part of yourself (or even a part of your business) since she's been with you since the beginning, it's done...you've done all you can. Just keep growing, keep scouting, and learn from it.

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benc

Should just bite the bullet and up the offer to 4k for the next year. Chances are by then she will be sick of the internet game and find a husband or something.


She was unique because she looked 15, and that helped make her a superstar. So I would disagree that shes a dime a dozen. She stood out definitely.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Steve...

Seriously.

Don't let her go...
She will end up in LA doing double Anal and shit...
Fuck that.

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LA Mike

LMAO.. you guys going to hug soon?

iwantchixx

Jesus fuck. She did not have talent. How can stripping and stuffing a finger in her pussy be talent? Talent is when people have SKILLS that actually involve effort. She was just a fucking model. The ones with talent are the marketers, photographers and web designers. Not the ditsy queen stripping in front of a camera.


God I hate when peopele say that a girl getting naked has talent.

tony286

that was a 6 month fad , she has been around longer than a fad. I would to see if Tawnee was their sister how they would feel . lol

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Yes I think Steve and Brad should bury the shit and get the gear working...

Oh but the ego sucks...

The pain...
I can see it.

Holy cow what a fortune!
I am working on that road, it aint easy and the pavement is rough I can crash or burn saying this.

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You dip shit...

She is a human being.
Now STFU and go back to school.

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Tammy? haha

toddler

Huh? What in the fuck are you smoking? Honestly. What fucking planet do you live on?

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mrthumbs

funny, i always thought you were bright!

tony286

To have a presence in front the camera is a talent not everyone has that. I'm a photographer i speak from experience. Without the models we are nothing know that and thank god for them everyday. If someones skills are so great you would be working in mainstream for themselves, there more money to be made and a lot less bullshit.

LA Mike

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LoL, you comparing Tawnee to Jenna

Tawnee was cute and there is a ton more like her. She was hot but jeez she wasn't THAT fucking hot. I would rather have about 4 of his other girls then her anyday. You guys just know her as the "LIGHTSPEED GIRL" and associate her with that. I'm sure Steve can replace her just fine. I just think they fit together well in the begining and helped brand each other. We think she's a star as webmasters but surfers are different. She may be able to make money elsewhere as he will to. People can quit their jobs and move on. Thats life.

crockett

So that was her decision and she did it. A lot of people make mistakes when they are young. Guess what that's life.

You seem to be dragging this on trying to make Steve look like an ass for some reason. Honestly dude, how many softcore models are even hardcore models have you ever heard of that got a freaking servants package?

She got paid very well to do softcore content, she doesn't seem to want to put any effort into her site other than collecting her paycheck. So why does Steve owe her anything? I mean jesus she wont do a dam webcam chat? or answer fan mail? It would be one thing if she was willing to put effort into her site, but if not why does Steve owe her anything?

Of course there are two sides to every story, and Tawnee will have her own side. But honestly is it that hard to believe that what he is saying could be true?

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tony286

Do you have a clue they spend $135 million on a movie with big stars and it makes 10 million. They spent more money marketing then you can dream about and it fails. Is that too hard to understand.The selling snow to eskimo is a myth

iwantchixx

I'm not stricken with Down's Syndrome. I know she's a human.

That doesn't excuse the fact that she is, after all is said and done, just a girl with a pretty face that takes her clothes off. How can that be called talent?

Does she do calculus or figure out the square root of 9999 in her head or design the world's talest bridge or write a masterpiece hollywood script while stripping?

No.

People who do things like that have talent. She is just stripping. Where does talent come into play with whats he does? ANYONE can take their clothes off and do good poses with just a little nudge and practice. It's not exactly a science or a creative thing. It's just taking ehr clothes off.

It's like saying someone has talent because they can tie their shoe laces.

People with blanket statements like "she has talent" when refering to models are the root of why these girls get such a huge head to begin with.

toddler

a human being who takes her clothes off and puts her finger in her pussy. whooptie fucking do. there are several BILLION women in the world that do that
every single fucking day of their lives. Are _they_ getting $130k for doing it? Are _they_ getting $2k a month to NOT DO IT? No. She made really good cash and blew it. LS offered her good(great!) cash to do a POV scene and she chose not to. 4 hours of work for her, maybe 8? Her body is already all over the world and will be forever. It was HER decision to do it in the first place. Coming back for more after a more than fair severence is insulting.

She was cute, LS took that and ran with it. She agreed, was paid handsomly for it, and now the game has changed. Customers want more. Does she think she's going to be able to go somewhere else and NOT do hardcore and make more than that? Fucking please.

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tony286

Im not making Steve look like anything , I didnt start this tread. I gave my opinion nothing more. You are right and unless we were there we really shouldnt judge people that arent here to defend themselves.

iwantchixx

show me where I am wrong in my statement. Seriously. I'm not trying to be a dick, just stating the obvious. A girl who strips does not need talent to do her job. It's just taking off clothes and holding a pose that she learns from the photographer or a psoe that comes natural to her.

Being sexy is not a talent. It's a gift. Talent is something that is learned then honed in on. Talent means an above average ability to do something that is learned and honed in on that others have a difficulty doing. Show me how a model exhibits these traitsnd I will eat my words.

Pleasurepays

teen models have expiration dates.

period.

she is like a carton of milk that is a day past its experation date. you can argue that it still tastes good and is still fine to drink, but you know its going to turn a corner very soon. she is not going to be the same star in 6 months that she was 4 years ago.

i think the right thing to do is to make a reasonable and fair offer that is right for your business. models will come and go, lightspeedcash should live longer than any relationship with a model who gets increasingly difficult to work with... and they all do eventually. if she is a pain in the ass today, she is going to be 3 times the pain in the ass she is today in 12 months. its not always possible to make everyone happy no matter how much you want to.

at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself "whats right for my company" and hope people will understand.

azguy

My advice would be to pay her a little more. If she's smart, your lawyer fees will exceed the difference in the amount you'd need to pay her for another year. Pay her $3/4K a month and collect even more shoots to be used in the future and maximize the brand even more.

The last thing you want is Tawnee20.com... (see my other posts about the trademark issue, she can totally go for it and, like I said, you will end up paying big $$ in lawyer fees trying to stop her from doing so). Just my 2 cents.

iwantchixx

oh my.....


Good one

shuki

I was going to say the same thing

All in all the situation sucks. You loose both ways, its just a matter of how do you stop the bleeding. As far as we are concerned you have proven to be an upstanding man both in your personal affairs as well as business so you are ok in our eyes. The question really is what is the best move for you and your business. Unfortunatley only you know the answer to this.

I wish you good luck with your choice.

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The Bootyologist

this is crazy

Tempest

In the "real" world, 1 month salary for every year worked is fairly common as a severance package. In this case, that would mean about 43k for her. Why not offer her something like that along with a 1 year non-compete type clause and see if she bites. Frankly I don't understand why this isn't already spelled out in the original contract. non-competes.. severance packages.. termination clauses.. come on guys... sheesh..

toddler

oop, my bad. misread what you wrote. My point being, lets replace 'movies' with 'microsoft products'...and I win ;) I agree wholeheartedly on the movies thing...

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crockett

Well I think Steve did the smart thing to bring this to the boards.. Think about it, if he knew she was going to send out the e-mails. The smartest thing he could do is to go on the offensive for damage control.

Just think how much more drama it would be if he would have waited for the posts to start showing up about "Tawnee Stone just left lightspeed (drama +pics)".. Top it off just think he will get a new X-box out of the deal.

LoL you know this board feeds on that kinda stuff.. there would have been 50 topics every day for 5 days. I think he did the smart thing by releasing the info himself.

I think we would all love to see Tawnee come out good on this, hopefully she can find another deal for herself which she can be happy with. If she thinks she can better herself she has every right to try, but it doesn't mean Steve has to hold her hand. Hopefully they can end up working things out, but probably not only time will tell.

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BeHeadR

I'll just make this short and sweet

All good things must come to an end Steve.

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cjaccardi

who owns the rights to the name tawnee stone her or lightspeed?

mrthumbs

Its not like Steve went to a 7/11 and picked out tawnee from the girls-shelf took her home put her on a table and did what he did.

Her looks are a gift.. even if tawnee was braindead shed still look like that: i agree. BUT.. the fact she decided to take this path and the outcome of it (pictures that millions of men seem to enjoy over the years) is NOT something
that just happens by shooting a piece of flesh.

Illicit

It would have been nice to get the POV done... too bad...

The way I see it, you got tons of content, and eventually she wouldnt be worth shooting anymore (gettin old) so keep what you got and cash in on it until the new stuff runs out.

The only thing that would suck is if she changed her look, making all your stored content look dated.

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ULVideo

One possible scenario:

After sending out emails to 200 potential suitors, someone gives her a great offer (say $20k per month), which she hops on. The guy totally violates Steve's copyright, etc. on the Tawny Stone name and the sight takes off, but Steve sues. After 6 months the site gets shut down, but the guy vanishes and Steve sees nothing. Of course, Tawny sees nothing either, because the guy was some scumbag in (insert 3rd World country here) and can't be found.

So now she "learns her lesson" and goes 50/50 partners with some "more reputable" outfit. But now with 2 sites of her out there, it's tough to sell softcore stills of her doing the same old thing (especially since now she's a bit of an "old thing"). Well..... now that the bottom line is her bottom line, all of a sudden she finds it "within herself" to start doing hardcore shoots. Wihin a year she's doing threesomes with the guys from "24 inches of pain".

SteveLightspeed

We planned ahead. She never changed her look.

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latinasojourn

geez, ain't it fuckin' the truth.

natalie portman just took her clothes off for a stripper movie. kids, that's talent.

these are models, and they aren't even in fashion model league. you won't see ANY of them in the victoria secret catalog---so what's with their 'tude?

FelixFlow

it's a trademark owned by Lightspeed Media

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[QUOTE=Pleasurepays]teen models have expiration dates.




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Manowar

Very interesting

stev0

She'll never find anyone that will treat her as well as you have... How many companies have you heard of that pay their models that much or offer a severance package of any sort?

No big loss... her best years as a nude model are behind her, and those photos are all yours