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Dejan · 12-13-2008, 05:08 AM

101 canceled memberships...

br4sco · 12-13-2008, 07:04 AM

bump for I$

gooddomains · 12-13-2008, 08:53 AM

sig post

RobertD · 12-13-2008, 08:58 AM

I'm always in for a fake 50.

clickyclick · 12-13-2008, 09:56 AM

Another bump to get I$ to response.

brassmonkey · 12-13-2008, 11:23 AM

bump for answers

jmcb420 · 12-13-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

damn, would somebody please buy a round of drinks and get this sorted out...

Drinks would seem to be in order. Luck to all, and a nice bump from me.

Kudles · 12-13-2008, 11:50 AM

Wow thats not good

commonsense · 12-13-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

YES
Duke

What is Glenn's history? Where was he banging cards before incredible$?

thebossxxx · 12-13-2008, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

So a bunch of webmasters were telling me the horror stories of Incredible Dollars and their billing practices.

I decided to investigate and signed up for Sweet Yurizan. Upon signing up I waiting a few hours and made VERY SURE to read EVERYTHING. I unchecked the prechecked cross sales and none of them have shown up yet... However!

I did CANCEL after that few hours and I even unchecked the prechecked cross sales on the CANCELLATION FORM!

Today I just got billed for the full monthly charge even after canceling online and being given notification of my cancellation.

So, Incredible Dollars. The ball is in your court now.

And to make things EVEN JUICIER... I won't tell you who I am... You can find out easy enough just whois'ing my domains.

The real test is whether or not you bill me for the things I unchecked. Which was another practice other webmasters caught you doing to their cards.

For some reason they don't have the balls to do this in public. I don't mind airing the laundry.

VRocks I truly apologize for the problem but we truly have a had a honest problem.

I just freaked out after someone sent me this thread but just
spoke with the person in charge of our nats and cross sales his name is Jim.

We did a full nats upgrade of our system this week
and our fully disclosed
cancellation script was affected and broken due to the upgrade. We have the full logs of everyone who attempted to cancel, and they will be canceled and refunded any fees that they have been billed since that date. The problem was fixed yesterday, and was an upgrade error which was caused by the
NATS as an upgrade and nothing else.. We also had many other problems this week due to the upgrade but Nats has finally completed everything as of Friday.

Please email Jim at incredibledollars dot com me and he will take care of you personally...

As per recent complaints and threads we do offer
legally disclosed cross-sales, but we also provide revshare links where the cross-sales are unchecked so all of our affiliates have options including CCBill with no rev share links.

None of the accusations made on the boads have had any validity, and the people posting them refuse to communicate with us directly. Many are fake nicks and competitors that our obviously fucking with us.

No full or complete
details of these transactions have been provided, meaning we can't even look them up or verify any information whatsoever. In closing, the bottom line is we are one of the fastest growing programs on the net with both organic joins and we do do a lot of cross sale joins as well and due to the high volume of sales and countless affiliate programs that add our incrediblepass cross sales to their join pages, a certain percentage of complaints are inevitable. Lets face it, when people are high, drunk or jerking off, and sign up for another website, it is inevitable that people a small percentage of people will complain when they get their bill 30 - 45 days later and see IncrediblePass on their credit card statement, when they initially ordered another website, hence, many will then make innacurate accusations.

Most of the threads started on message boards are becoming hate groups real quick no matter how any person or company replies and we feel as if we reply to threads, it will just add fake nicks and jealous or non serious webmasters to make more innacurate accusations..

I$ spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on updating excluisve content, everyday,
unlike most other programs on the net that offer cross sales or not but rest assure we are in this for the long run...

I again can only apologize for the problem and get you a refund asap.

In closing, although I really do not understand cross sales that well, anyone doing any
tests that ever have a problem, please do not hesitate to email me directly and privately (not on boards) as we will terminate any entity involved with doing any of these cross sales not disclosed properly or done in any way that is wrong immediately. I am sick of the shit and will not put up with anybullshit. Again email me directly.

Remember if you do not like cross sales use are cc bill or rev share links and contact Jim to set yourself up. We have offered unchecked cross sales for 3 months now.

Truly Yours,

Glenn

Vigilante · 12-13-2008, 01:32 PM

Finally a reply.
I have to say i have no problems with IS and got roughly one or two chargebacks over the year but i also never signed up with them with my own card so dunno...

but if this really was a NATS issue there has to be an independent guy who can confirm this. Someone from the NATS crew should be able to approve that this COULD be a possible upgrade failure or not.That would be sufficient to explain this shit going on.

Rodrigo-Ibills · 12-13-2008, 01:33 PM

anybody need processing?? Hit me up

V_RocKs · 12-13-2008, 01:36 PM

Email sent.

Rodrigo-Ibills · 12-13-2008, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Email sent.

I did not recive any email , you need processing Mr Rocks?

clickyclick · 12-13-2008, 01:42 PM

Anyone dare try it again with their cc to see if the problem fix? I dare not.

john_63 · 12-13-2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodrigo-Ibill

I did not recive any email , you need processing Mr Rocks?

snaker · 12-13-2008, 01:48 PM

snaker was here

Hazlewood · 12-13-2008, 01:53 PM

shit like this gives paysites a bad name. with a market like this, you would think programs are doing everything in their power to retain consumers

andy83 · 12-13-2008, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickyclick

Anyone dare try it again with their cc to see if the problem fix? I dare not.

waiting for someone to try this

Major (Tom) · 12-13-2008, 03:27 PM

Under the terms of the settlement, Glen Buzzetti of North Bergen and Joseph Ferguson of Rockland County must pay $1 million over 10 years to resolve alleged violations of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act and $350,000 in consumer redress to resolve allegations brought by the Federal Trade Commission.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n22399115

National Credit Management Group of Fort Lee and Edgewater, New Jersey, and its principals, Glen Buzzetti and Joseph Ferguson, have agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges brought against them as part of "Operation Eraser," a federal-state crackdown on fraudulent credit repair firms. The FTC charged the defendants with violating the FTC Act and the Credit Repair Organizations Act (CROA) by making deceptive claims about their ability to improve consumers' credit records and get them credit cards and by charging advance fees for these services. The FTC also charged the defendants with violating the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services. The proposed settlement of the charges would permanently ban Buzzetti and Ferguson from most credit-related business in the future, would ban them from check debiting, and would require that they pay $350,000 in redress. A court-appointed receiver shut down National Credit Management Group's (NCMG) business in April.

"Operation Eraser," announced this past March, targeted 31 companies that promised that they could restore consumers' creditworthiness for a fee. Sometimes charging over $1,000, these firms purported to guarantee consumers that they could remove negative information from their credit reports -- even if the negative information was accurate and timely. But, according to the FTC, these companies cannot remove legitimate negative information and, where there are actual errors in credit reports, consumers have the legal right to have those corrected for free most of the time. "Operation Eraser" was the first combined effort to utilize the CROA, a new federal law specifically targeting credit repair scams. Effective April 1, 1997, the new statute is enforced by the FTC and state Attorneys General. This law also allows consumers to bring lawsuits on their own in federal court and obtain damages, attorneys fees, and punitive damages.

According to the complaint detailing the charges in this case, NCMG was a large company -- doing business as 1-800-YES-CREDIT -- advertising on television and radio, and soliciting consumers to call a toll-free number to receive an unsecured credit card. During the telephone sales pitch, the defendants allegedly offered consumers a "credit analysis," suggesting that they would help consumers improve their credit ratings, in return for an up-front fee of $95. The defendants also obtained the consumers' checking account numbers, the FTC said, and often withdrew additional funds from consumers' accounts without the express authorization required by the Telemarketing Sales Rule. In its complaint, the FTC charged that consumers typically failed to receive either the "guaranteed" credit cards or the improvement to their credit records. The complaint alleges the defendants violated the CROA by obtaining an advance fee for their credit repair services and failed to provide the required written pre-sale disclosures; and alleged that the defendants violated the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services.

On March 25, 1998, United States District Judge Alfred J. Lechner, Jr., of Newark, New Jersey, issued detailed findings of facts and conclusions of law in which he concluded that the FTC and State of New Jersey were likely to succeed in proving that NCMG, Buzzetti, and Ferguson had violated the law. He granted the request of the FTC and New Jersey for a preliminary injunction, froze the defendants' assets, and appointed a receiver to take over the company.

In addition to permanently banning Buzzetti and Ferguson from both the business of credit repair or advance fee loan services and requiring them to pay $350,000 in consumer redress, the proposed settlement would bar the defendants from obtaining, or submitting for payment, a demand draft, check, or other form of negotiable paper unless it contains the original signature of the consumer.
Further, the proposed settlement would prohibit the defendants from misrepresenting any fact material to a consumer's decision to purchase any product or service. The defendants would be prohibited from making the specific claims as alleged in the complaint, and would be prohibited from misrepresenting that their products or services have been approved or endorsed by any governmental authorities or consumer protection entities, and from misrepresenting the terms or conditions of any refund policy. Finally, the defendants are prohibited from violating any provisions of the CROA or the Telemarketing Sales Rule in the future.

The proposed settlement was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey, Newark Division, on October 22, 1998. The Commission vote to file the proposed settlement was 4-0. When the FTC filed its complaint, the New Jersey Attorney General simultaneously filed a similar action in the same court, and the court consolidated the FTC's and New Jersey's cases. The State of New Jersey is not a party to the settlement announced today.

NOTE: The stipulated final judgment is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by the defendants of a law violation. The judgment is subject to approval by the court and has the force of law when signed by the judge.

Copies of the settlement, the news release announcing "Operation Eraser," and a number of publications about consumer credit issues are available from the FTC's web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580; 202-FTC-HELP (202-382-4357); TDD for the hearing impaired 1-866-653-4261. To find out the latest news as it is announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording at 202-326-2710.

Media Contact:
Howard Shapiro
Office of Public Affairs
202-326-2161
Staff Contact:
C. Steven Baker
Chicago Regional Office
55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 1860,
Chicago, Illinois 60603-5701
312-960-5634
(Civil Action No. 98-936)
(FTC File No. X98 0047)

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1998/10/ncmg-2.shtm
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/03/ncmg.fnl.htm <---more
it has to stop..
Duke

Oracle Porn · 12-13-2008, 03:28 PM

my sig is here

MediumPimpin · 12-13-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Under the terms of the settlement, Glen Buzzetti of North Bergen and Joseph Ferguson of Rockland County must pay $1 million over 10 years to resolve alleged violations of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act and $350,000 in consumer redress to resolve allegations brought by the Federal Trade Commission.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n22399115

National Credit Management Group of Fort Lee and Edgewater, New Jersey, and its principals, Glen Buzzetti and Joseph Ferguson, have agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges brought against them as part of "Operation Eraser," a federal-state crackdown on fraudulent credit repair firms. The FTC charged the defendants with violating the FTC Act and the Credit Repair Organizations Act (CROA) by making deceptive claims about their ability to improve consumers' credit records and get them credit cards and by charging advance fees for these services. The FTC also charged the defendants with violating the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services. The proposed settlement of the charges would permanently ban Buzzetti and Ferguson from most credit-related business in the future, would ban them from check debiting, and would require that they pay $350,000 in redress. A court-appointed receiver shut down National Credit Management Group's (NCMG) business in April.

"Operation Eraser," announced this past March, targeted 31 companies that promised that they could restore consumers' creditworthiness for a fee. Sometimes charging over $1,000, these firms purported to guarantee consumers that they could remove negative information from their credit reports -- even if the negative information was accurate and timely. But, according to the FTC, these companies cannot remove legitimate negative information and, where there are actual errors in credit reports, consumers have the legal right to have those corrected for free most of the time. "Operation Eraser" was the first combined effort to utilize the CROA, a new federal law specifically targeting credit repair scams. Effective April 1, 1997, the new statute is enforced by the FTC and state Attorneys General. This law also allows consumers to bring lawsuits on their own in federal court and obtain damages, attorneys fees, and punitive damages.

According to the complaint detailing the charges in this case, NCMG was a large company -- doing business as 1-800-YES-CREDIT -- advertising on television and radio, and soliciting consumers to call a toll-free number to receive an unsecured credit card. During the telephone sales pitch, the defendants allegedly offered consumers a "credit analysis," suggesting that they would help consumers improve their credit ratings, in return for an up-front fee of $95. The defendants also obtained the consumers' checking account numbers, the FTC said, and often withdrew additional funds from consumers' accounts without the express authorization required by the Telemarketing Sales Rule. In its complaint, the FTC charged that consumers typically failed to receive either the "guaranteed" credit cards or the improvement to their credit records. The complaint alleges the defendants violated the CROA by obtaining an advance fee for their credit repair services and failed to provide the required written pre-sale disclosures; and alleged that the defendants violated the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services.

On March 25, 1998, United States District Judge Alfred J. Lechner, Jr., of Newark, New Jersey, issued detailed findings of facts and conclusions of law in which he concluded that the FTC and State of New Jersey were likely to succeed in proving that NCMG, Buzzetti, and Ferguson had violated the law. He granted the request of the FTC and New Jersey for a preliminary injunction, froze the defendants' assets, and appointed a receiver to take over the company.

In addition to permanently banning Buzzetti and Ferguson from both the business of credit repair or advance fee loan services and requiring them to pay $350,000 in consumer redress, the proposed settlement would bar the defendants from obtaining, or submitting for payment, a demand draft, check, or other form of negotiable paper unless it contains the original signature of the consumer.
Further, the proposed settlement would prohibit the defendants from misrepresenting any fact material to a consumer's decision to purchase any product or service. The defendants would be prohibited from making the specific claims as alleged in the complaint, and would be prohibited from misrepresenting that their products or services have been approved or endorsed by any governmental authorities or consumer protection entities, and from misrepresenting the terms or conditions of any refund policy. Finally, the defendants are prohibited from violating any provisions of the CROA or the Telemarketing Sales Rule in the future.

The proposed settlement was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey, Newark Division, on October 22, 1998. The Commission vote to file the proposed settlement was 4-0. When the FTC filed its complaint, the New Jersey Attorney General simultaneously filed a similar action in the same court, and the court consolidated the FTC's and New Jersey's cases. The State of New Jersey is not a party to the settlement announced today.

NOTE: The stipulated final judgment is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by the defendants of a law violation. The judgment is subject to approval by the court and has the force of law when signed by the judge.

Copies of the settlement, the news release announcing "Operation Eraser," and a number of publications about consumer credit issues are available from the FTC's web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580; 202-FTC-HELP (202-382-4357); TDD for the hearing impaired 1-866-653-4261. To find out the latest news as it is announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording at 202-326-2710.

Media Contact:
Howard Shapiro
Office of Public Affairs
202-326-2161
Staff Contact:
C. Steven Baker
Chicago Regional Office
55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 1860,
Chicago, Illinois 60603-5701
312-960-5634
(Civil Action No. 98-936)
(FTC File No. X98 0047)

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1998/10/ncmg-2.shtm
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/03/ncmg.fnl.htm <---more
it has to stop..
Duke

Jesus...

VeriSexy · 12-13-2008, 03:44 PM

Seems like it's a never ending circle jerk

volante · 12-13-2008, 03:49 PM

So Incredible Dollars, who have been accused of credit card fraud and who deny everything, is owned/run by two guys who have a previous conviction for credit card fraud?

Ramp · 12-13-2008, 03:55 PM

Oh man... that really sucks.

gleem · 12-13-2008, 03:57 PM

amazing that I have been arguing with a new merchant bank over removing links in my members area to paid for plugin feeds because the banks/visa think a plugin feed will confuse a customer and they will charge back, and shit like triple crossells, quadruple blind link upgrades and entire sites of un documented obvious stolen content can get approved overnight.

Nothing wrong with cross-sells if you are honest about it, nothing wrong with trial members area if you let the customer choose to upgrade or not.

Fuck all you big boys, you are screwing everyone else over.

gleem · 12-13-2008, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volante

So Incredible Dollars, who have been accused of credit card fraud and who deny everything, is owned/run by two guys who have a previous conviction for credit card fraud?

your face would melt off if you saw just how many of the bigger players in the industry have been convicted of the same thing, but in a much bigger scale or more crazy shit (setting up fake ATM's to get #'s etc)

Rodrigo-Ibills · 12-13-2008, 04:00 PM

anybody need processing?

PXN · 12-13-2008, 04:21 PM

Interesting article posted by DukeSkywalker is another reason why you you can't trust them for telling the truth.

DamageX · 12-13-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Under the terms of the settlement, Glen Buzzetti of North Bergen and Joseph Ferguson of Rockland County must pay $1 million over 10 years to resolve alleged violations of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act and $350,000 in consumer redress to resolve allegations brought by the Federal Trade Commission.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n22399115

National Credit Management Group of Fort Lee and Edgewater, New Jersey, and its principals, Glen Buzzetti and Joseph Ferguson, have agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges brought against them as part of "Operation Eraser," a federal-state crackdown on fraudulent credit repair firms. The FTC charged the defendants with violating the FTC Act and the Credit Repair Organizations Act (CROA) by making deceptive claims about their ability to improve consumers' credit records and get them credit cards and by charging advance fees for these services. The FTC also charged the defendants with violating the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services. The proposed settlement of the charges would permanently ban Buzzetti and Ferguson from most credit-related business in the future, would ban them from check debiting, and would require that they pay $350,000 in redress. A court-appointed receiver shut down National Credit Management Group's (NCMG) business in April.

"Operation Eraser," announced this past March, targeted 31 companies that promised that they could restore consumers' creditworthiness for a fee. Sometimes charging over $1,000, these firms purported to guarantee consumers that they could remove negative information from their credit reports -- even if the negative information was accurate and timely. But, according to the FTC, these companies cannot remove legitimate negative information and, where there are actual errors in credit reports, consumers have the legal right to have those corrected for free most of the time. "Operation Eraser" was the first combined effort to utilize the CROA, a new federal law specifically targeting credit repair scams. Effective April 1, 1997, the new statute is enforced by the FTC and state Attorneys General. This law also allows consumers to bring lawsuits on their own in federal court and obtain damages, attorneys fees, and punitive damages.

According to the complaint detailing the charges in this case, NCMG was a large company -- doing business as 1-800-YES-CREDIT -- advertising on television and radio, and soliciting consumers to call a toll-free number to receive an unsecured credit card. During the telephone sales pitch, the defendants allegedly offered consumers a "credit analysis," suggesting that they would help consumers improve their credit ratings, in return for an up-front fee of $95. The defendants also obtained the consumers' checking account numbers, the FTC said, and often withdrew additional funds from consumers' accounts without the express authorization required by the Telemarketing Sales Rule. In its complaint, the FTC charged that consumers typically failed to receive either the "guaranteed" credit cards or the improvement to their credit records. The complaint alleges the defendants violated the CROA by obtaining an advance fee for their credit repair services and failed to provide the required written pre-sale disclosures; and alleged that the defendants violated the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services.

On March 25, 1998, United States District Judge Alfred J. Lechner, Jr., of Newark, New Jersey, issued detailed findings of facts and conclusions of law in which he concluded that the FTC and State of New Jersey were likely to succeed in proving that NCMG, Buzzetti, and Ferguson had violated the law. He granted the request of the FTC and New Jersey for a preliminary injunction, froze the defendants' assets, and appointed a receiver to take over the company.

In addition to permanently banning Buzzetti and Ferguson from both the business of credit repair or advance fee loan services and requiring them to pay $350,000 in consumer redress, the proposed settlement would bar the defendants from obtaining, or submitting for payment, a demand draft, check, or other form of negotiable paper unless it contains the original signature of the consumer.
Further, the proposed settlement would prohibit the defendants from misrepresenting any fact material to a consumer's decision to purchase any product or service. The defendants would be prohibited from making the specific claims as alleged in the complaint, and would be prohibited from misrepresenting that their products or services have been approved or endorsed by any governmental authorities or consumer protection entities, and from misrepresenting the terms or conditions of any refund policy. Finally, the defendants are prohibited from violating any provisions of the CROA or the Telemarketing Sales Rule in the future.

The proposed settlement was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey, Newark Division, on October 22, 1998. The Commission vote to file the proposed settlement was 4-0. When the FTC filed its complaint, the New Jersey Attorney General simultaneously filed a similar action in the same court, and the court consolidated the FTC's and New Jersey's cases. The State of New Jersey is not a party to the settlement announced today.

NOTE: The stipulated final judgment is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by the defendants of a law violation. The judgment is subject to approval by the court and has the force of law when signed by the judge.

Copies of the settlement, the news release announcing "Operation Eraser," and a number of publications about consumer credit issues are available from the FTC's web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580; 202-FTC-HELP (202-382-4357); TDD for the hearing impaired 1-866-653-4261. To find out the latest news as it is announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording at 202-326-2710.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebossxxx

VRocks I truly apologize for the problem but we truly have a had a honest problem.

I just freaked out after someone sent me this thread but just
spoke with the person in charge of our nats and cross sales his name is Jim.

We did a full nats upgrade of our system this week
and our fully disclosed
cancellation script was affected and broken due to the upgrade. We have the full logs of everyone who attempted to cancel, and they will be canceled and refunded any fees that they have been billed since that date. The problem was fixed yesterday, and was an upgrade error which was caused by the
NATS as an upgrade and nothing else.. We also had many other problems this week due to the upgrade but Nats has finally completed everything as of Friday.

Please email Jim at incredibledollars dot com me and he will take care of you personally...

As per recent complaints and threads we do offer
legally disclosed cross-sales, but we also provide revshare links where the cross-sales are unchecked so all of our affiliates have options including CCBill with no rev share links.

None of the accusations made on the boads have had any validity, and the people posting them refuse to communicate with us directly. Many are fake nicks and competitors that our obviously fucking with us.

No full or complete
details of these transactions have been provided, meaning we can't even look them up or verify any information whatsoever. In closing, the bottom line is we are one of the fastest growing programs on the net with both organic joins and we do do a lot of cross sale joins as well and due to the high volume of sales and countless affiliate programs that add our incrediblepass cross sales to their join pages, a certain percentage of complaints are inevitable. Lets face it, when people are high, drunk or jerking off, and sign up for another website, it is inevitable that people a small percentage of people will complain when they get their bill 30 - 45 days later and see IncrediblePass on their credit card statement, when they initially ordered another website, hence, many will then make innacurate accusations.

Most of the threads started on message boards are becoming hate groups real quick no matter how any person or company replies and we feel as if we reply to threads, it will just add fake nicks and jealous or non serious webmasters to make more innacurate accusations..

I$ spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on updating excluisve content, everyday,
unlike most other programs on the net that offer cross sales or not but rest assure we are in this for the long run...

I again can only apologize for the problem and get you a refund asap.

In closing, although I really do not understand cross sales that well, anyone doing any
tests that ever have a problem, please do not hesitate to email me directly and privately (not on boards) as we will terminate any entity involved with doing any of these cross sales not disclosed properly or done in any way that is wrong immediately. I am sick of the shit and will not put up with anybullshit. Again email me directly.

Remember if you do not like cross sales use are cc bill or rev share links and contact Jim to set yourself up. We have offered unchecked cross sales for 3 months now.

Truly Yours,

Glenn

chupachups · 12-13-2008, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

mint · 12-13-2008, 05:19 PM

they saw tubesites amazing run and who started it first was king.
now, we're seeing cross-sales as the new "game".

SteveHardeman · 12-13-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Under the terms of the settlement, Glen Buzzetti of North Bergen and Joseph Ferguson of Rockland County must pay $1 million over 10 years to resolve alleged violations of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act and $350,000 in consumer redress to resolve allegations brought by the Federal Trade Commission.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n22399115

Duke

Stunning. That ought to keep this thread going for another 3 pages minimum.

Excellent dig Duke. You're the new Drudge Report of this forum.

Major (Tom) · 12-13-2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Stunning. That ought to keep this thread going for another 3 pages minimum.

Excellent dig Duke. You're the new Drudge Report of this forum.

I have known this shit since '05. It has gone far enough.
Duke

Dagwolf · 12-13-2008, 05:57 PM

Fairly inkerestink!

uno · 12-13-2008, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediumPimpin

Jesus...

Jesus²

God damn.

tony286 · 12-13-2008, 06:46 PM

damn is all I can say.

V_RocKs · 12-13-2008, 06:54 PM

Didn't know Jesus was already 2.0

Bake · 12-13-2008, 06:56 PM

Maybe it's time for name change here Go scam yourself.com

PSSuperstars · 12-13-2008, 07:07 PM

It's amazing what billing places will do for companies that bring them a bit extra...

As a phone sex company.. we have to jump through hoops.. have our policies clear and stated... tell how every ounce of our phone system works..

AND then..
These guys can keep committing fraud over and over and over again..

That 2-3% that the broker is getting must add up to quite a bit to turn a blind eye..

A company hovering around 50k-150k/mon could NEVER get away with this.

Robocrop · 12-13-2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bake

Maybe it's time for name change here Go scam yourself.com

Erhm what does GFY has to do with this shit?

MaDalton · 12-13-2008, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

That 2-3% that the broker is getting must add up to quite a bit to turn a blind eye..

A company hovering around 50k-150k/mon could NEVER get away with this.

this is probably a very good point

Tempest · 12-13-2008, 09:05 PM

Things are getting interesting...

PXN · 12-13-2008, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebossxxx

VRocks I truly apologize for the problem but we truly have a had a honest problem.

I just freaked out after someone sent me this thread but just
spoke with the person in charge of our nats and cross sales his name is Jim.

You should freak out. The FTC or FBI might be investigating this next.

For all affiliate programs out there, keep it honest. Don't give your program a bad name by just trying to squeeze a few more bucks into your bank. Once it become shit, it stay shit forever.

kristin · 12-13-2008, 09:41 PM

This will now make it to 10 pages ... what a post Duke.

fatal attraction · 12-13-2008, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin

This will now make it to 10 pages ... what a post Duke.

Great post it was!

selena · 12-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Wowsa.

The person in the article and the I$ person are the same?

marketsmart · 12-13-2008, 10:02 PM

the FTC will slap you on the wrist the first time..

the second time, you're fucked...

wait til the DOJ picks up on some of this stuff (if they already aren't) ... this is the kind of shit they dream about..

EXPORT · 12-13-2008, 10:05 PM

may not have to catch up on gfy about it in the near future

the media will love this

i can picture the headlines...

volante · 12-13-2008, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

the FTC will slap you on the wrist the first time..

the second time, you're fucked...

If a $1,350,000 fine is a "slap on the wrist" then they're really, REALLY fucked

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12-13-2008, 03:27 PM	#120
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The FTC charged the defendants with violating the FTC Act and the Credit Repair Organizations Act (CROA) by making deceptive claims about their ability to improve consumers' credit records and get them credit cards and by charging advance fees for these services. The FTC also charged the defendants with violating the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services. The proposed settlement of the charges would permanently ban Buzzetti and Ferguson from most credit-related business in the future, would ban them from check debiting, and would require that they pay $350,000 in redress. A court-appointed receiver shut down National Credit Management Group's (NCMG) business in April. "Operation Eraser," announced this past March, targeted 31 companies that promised that they could restore consumers' creditworthiness for a fee. Sometimes charging over $1,000, these firms purported to guarantee consumers that they could remove negative information from their credit reports -- even if the negative information was accurate and timely. But, according to the FTC, these companies cannot remove legitimate negative information and, where there are actual errors in credit reports, consumers have the legal right to have those corrected for free most of the time. "Operation Eraser" was the first combined effort to utilize the CROA, a new federal law specifically targeting credit repair scams. Effective April 1, 1997, the new statute is enforced by the FTC and state Attorneys General. This law also allows consumers to bring lawsuits on their own in federal court and obtain damages, attorneys fees, and punitive damages. According to the complaint detailing the charges in this case, NCMG was a large company -- doing business as 1-800-YES-CREDIT -- advertising on television and radio, and soliciting consumers to call a toll-free number to receive an unsecured credit card. During the telephone sales pitch, the defendants allegedly offered consumers a "credit analysis," suggesting that they would help consumers improve their credit ratings, in return for an up-front fee of $95. The defendants also obtained the consumers' checking account numbers, the FTC said, and often withdrew additional funds from consumers' accounts without the express authorization required by the Telemarketing Sales Rule. In its complaint, the FTC charged that consumers typically failed to receive either the "guaranteed" credit cards or the improvement to their credit records. The complaint alleges the defendants violated the CROA by obtaining an advance fee for their credit repair services and failed to provide the required written pre-sale disclosures; and alleged that the defendants violated the Telemarketing Sales Rule by making unauthorized bank account debits, obtaining advance fees for "guaranteed" credit cards, and failing to disclose the true costs of their services. On March 25, 1998, United States District Judge Alfred J. Lechner, Jr., of Newark, New Jersey, issued detailed findings of facts and conclusions of law in which he concluded that the FTC and State of New Jersey were likely to succeed in proving that NCMG, Buzzetti, and Ferguson had violated the law. He granted the request of the FTC and New Jersey for a preliminary injunction, froze the defendants' assets, and appointed a receiver to take over the company. In addition to permanently banning Buzzetti and Ferguson from both the business of credit repair or advance fee loan services and requiring them to pay $350,000 in consumer redress, the proposed settlement would bar the defendants from obtaining, or submitting for payment, a demand draft, check, or other form of negotiable paper unless it contains the original signature of the consumer. Further, the proposed settlement would prohibit the defendants from misrepresenting any fact material to a consumer's decision to purchase any product or service. The defendants would be prohibited from making the specific claims as alleged in the complaint, and would be prohibited from misrepresenting that their products or services have been approved or endorsed by any governmental authorities or consumer protection entities, and from misrepresenting the terms or conditions of any refund policy. Finally, the defendants are prohibited from violating any provisions of the CROA or the Telemarketing Sales Rule in the future. The proposed settlement was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey, Newark Division, on October 22, 1998. The Commission vote to file the proposed settlement was 4-0. When the FTC filed its complaint, the New Jersey Attorney General simultaneously filed a similar action in the same court, and the court consolidated the FTC's and New Jersey's cases. The State of New Jersey is not a party to the settlement announced today. NOTE: The stipulated final judgment is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by the defendants of a law violation. The judgment is subject to approval by the court and has the force of law when signed by the judge. Copies of the settlement, the news release announcing "Operation Eraser," and a number of publications about consumer credit issues are available from the FTC's web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580; 202-FTC-HELP (202-382-4357); TDD for the hearing impaired 1-866-653-4261. To find out the latest news as it is announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording at 202-326-2710. Media Contact: Howard Shapiro Office of Public Affairs 202-326-2161 Staff Contact: C. Steven Baker Chicago Regional Office 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 1860, Chicago, Illinois 60603-5701 312-960-5634 (Civil Action No. 98-936) (FTC File No. X98 0047) http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1998/10/ncmg-2.shtm http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/03/ncmg.fnl.htm <---more it has to stop.. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

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12-13-2008, 10:05 PM	#149
EXPORT Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,345	may not have to catch up on gfy about it in the near future the media will love this i can picture the headlines...