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i'm not arguing, i'm telling. and i am not your puppet so, why don't you choke on a chicken bone and die.
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The best way to fix health care is to set a limit of how much profit you can make in the business and then highly regulate what profit is considered to be so hiding it requires more effort than it is worth.
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I've saved $10,000's moving to Vonage. My cell service years ago was $100's a month, my wifes is $100 a month. Extremely... you can get them free now. Quote:
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I also support extremes like mandatory drug tests, fitness requirements, etc or you're taxed more. Either way, it's more Gov control, more gov regulation, more gov dipping into the free market. No insurance, will require huge oversight on overall industry rather than controlling just them which can regulate for gov - rather than gov having to explode in size for the overall industry regulation.
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costs have come down on porn memberships because people are broke and most of it is free now anyway, not because millions are rushing to join and give you their money. your Internet service is lower today by $3k - $100k versus the early 90s? did i miss something? Quote:
how many people do you know that are using a free phone versus how many are plunking down hundreds for smart phones? just because you can get one for free doesn't mean the majority of people are exercising that option. not to mention that nearly all "free" phones come with contracts. that's not "free". why is that? maybe because it's too expensive? Quote:
the government is the one that's now going to force people to buy insurance. what has the government taken over that hasn't turned into a miserable failure? Quote:
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We already have welfare systems in place for people who are willing to give up control to the government and throw themselves on the mercy of others. Quote:
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If the government mandates that I have to give funds I can't afford to insurance companies, so that I then can't afford to get the medical care I may need, or can't afford things my business needs, or whatever I might have spent my hard-earned revenue on, that is wrong. If the government gets to make me take time out of my work week to come piss in a cup for them or see how many jumping jacks I can do, that is wrong. The economy is bad enough without there being one more thing on everyone's to-do list. Not to mention the humiliation factor. A populace which would submit to drug and fitness testing of this sort will submit to anything. I will gladly do without a free one, in order to keep as much of my autonomy as is possible.
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I've never seen that or heard that in a cancer patient before. Very little, that's how many can't afford it. Quote:
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Those are very reasonable. Well, Medicare, ss, taxes now don't kill you and Canadians seem to get along perfectly fine, personally and business wise. I'm pretty sure we can adapt. Anyone that works can afford it, anyone that truly can't - truly can't afford to get sick, at all either. They submit in the Military, Gov workers, millions of jobs all over the Country. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
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You support people on welfare/gov dime, also doing drugs?
Man, the mind of you right wingers is twisted up.
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Uhm, I like having roads and police and fireman and such just fine. My point was that we have a welfare system in place, so acting like this new bill will help the "poor" is simply false. The poor who are willing to go on assistance were already covered. This bill does add additional expenses to the budgets of an already heavily squeezed middle class.
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I may have missed it, has our country collapsed yet?
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Not sure what you mean by limit immigration, it's not hard to move to Canada, become a citizen or even work in Canada & have health insurance too. They offer an extremely fast path compared to America. Quote:
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I also think if you removed insurance all together it would require the gov to step in and create a massive regulatory body that would greatly expand the size of gov and its costs. The insurance companies regulate lots of shit right now, someone would still need to make sure it's done and done fairly. They do fill a gap with more than just insurance.
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Do you understand that my whole objection to being forced to buy insurance is that I have done the math and understand that insurance will almost certainly cost me more over a lifetime than healthcare will? Quote:
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I'm not embarrassed to piss in a cup for a lab test my doctor and I agree I need. I'm not embarrassed to get a physical. I think there is an element of subjugation and domination, however, in a government requiring access to such personal information. Quote:
Just offer a decent alternative, as they do in Canada, and let the market take its course.
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That's the thing, I don't care if you can get it cheaper. Or if you're one of those few lucky ones that never have a problem or never get hurt... The point is to make sure others who aren't so lucky can be covered and for people like you that refuse it, don't have it, something really bad happens and it ends up costing the tax payer either way. Quote:
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No, I think he could pay his own way, without question. Healthy food is not more expensive, not by a long shot - organic food might be, but eating healthy costs far less - you even eat less. If you choose to live a life style like this, you shouldn't get free care. If you're able to afford fat ass foods, eating out, you don't need welfare - you wouldn't be starving. Quote:
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Canada's system isn't much different than what we're getting. It's smaller and cheaper basically.
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Doc, I think you mean well, but you seem to see the issue as more black and white than I'm comfortable with. This bill has as much to do with healthcare as the Patriot Act has to do with patriotism.
Do I think that we could have better access to affordable healthcare in America? Yes, I do. Do I think there is anything in this bill which will help poor or middle class Americans get better access or prices? No, I don't. And you can't think of a single example of how it helps either. In my experience, especially as I get older, I find my own weight and health much easier to support when I am more flush. Potatoes and pasta cost less than salmon and grapefruit. Times in my life that I had the choice between going hungry and going on welfare, I chose to go hungry. According to NIH, more poor people are morbidly obese than rich people. But that is a minor issue. You and I disagree on a basic assumption. I am stone cold certain, based on my own experiences and the experiences of those close to me, that, even catastrophic health problems can be cared for for less money than insurance costs. I do not believe I can afford insurance and I don't want to be forced to buy it, regardless of my analysis of my own budget, or their likelihood to be there when I need them. America is not a nation of totally rich people who are too heartless to help all those totally deserving poor people and must be forced. You can judge the health of an economy by the size and strength of its middle class. The middle class in America is being squeezed out. Adding another burden to the back of the middle class, in the midst of this disaster of an economy, is misguided at best and deliberately sadistic at worst. The new healthcare bill will re-define a lot of people who identify as middle class, such that they will be forced to accept government assistance and/or greatly decrease their already limited quality of life to pay for insurance. That is ugly and tragic and will simply pave the way for more lunatic fringe demagogues and a more polarized nation. As we start getting more truly frightening people elected to public office, the people truly responsible will be the politicians who ignored the needs of the middle class, painting the world as all rich versus poor.
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wow the US health care system may not be such an embarrassment now? If you guys want to talk about Kenya, well yes the US health care system has more in common with Kenya than it does an advanced developed nation like Australia, the UK, Sweden or Canada.
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and another thing... corporate power is so over the top in the USA, many other countries can do a much higher level of health care for the average Joe at a lower cost because corporations don't own most of the hospitals and don't price gouge on medications. The USA, in it's worship of the capitalist god has given so much power to the corporation and it's government lobbyists that you have to pay twice as much to get anything done.
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And the cost of potential lawsuits for medical malpractice is the main reason why prices are so inflated. However, people and mostly liberals need someone to blame so they create an emotional argument about big bad insurance companies and yet believe more government is the answer, failing to realize that the same type of people control both.
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However, people and most right wingers fail to understand this is an increase in Gov size either way. The OBGYN charges what they do because of malpractice insurance. The hospital charging you $30 for an icepack, has nothing to do with malpractice insurance. The costs are also in the goods being passed down to the consumer so the hospital, insurance, doctor, and everyone else can take a part of the pie.
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Again though, if you choose to take that path, then sweet. If you had kids though.... I'm sure more poor people are fat, cheap packaged foods, lower education, lots of reasons for this. This is why proper education and working with people, to help drive the costs of care down, is very logical. Quote:
At 100k, a heart problem, cancer, a week in the hospital, lots of stuff would eat that up really fast. As well, insurance 'can' also pay your bills, house, car, insurance bill, every single bill - for you. So you can focus on getting better & and not losing your house. Quote:
Everyone is going to be paying into the Gov system either way... Just like SS/Medicare, unemployment, etc - if you don't want to use it, thats your choice, but you'll still have it so you won't have to go buy anything extra.
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