Nathan / Fabian - Please step inside. Time to step up to the plate. - Page 5 - GoFuckYourself.com

JFK · 10-29-2010, 01:42 PM

200 steppin ups to the plate

2intense · 11-07-2010, 03:27 AM

man this content theft is getting out of hand.

Paul Markham · 11-07-2010, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Dave,

There will be no comment about what our lawyers said. Rest assured that we know what we have to and can do.

= they told us something we don't want to let you guys know.

Such as "Yes you can take down the videos of those who break your TOS. Just like Youtube do."

Does anyone think they told him otherwise?

DWB · 11-07-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

= they told us something we don't want to let you guys know.

Such as "Yes you can take down the videos of those who break your TOS. Just like Youtube do."

Does anyone think they told him otherwise?

I spoke to my own attorney about this. He said they can remove anything if a user violated their TOS because it is a TOS violation and has nothing to do with DMCA. It is not a DMCA issue. That is why you have a TOS in the first place, to list YOUR rules. His example was Youtube.

Problem is, Nathan knows if they start removing the 1000s and 1000s of videos their uploaders put up there, their tubes would be done in a matter of a few weeks, and they can't do that. So.... more BS about they won't say anything and it's back to business, as usual, as expected. Nothing has changed.

Based on them banning a user if he has multiple violations, I personally could remove over 5000 videos if they deleted their uploads as well. Imagine how fast they would crumble if everyone went at them?

You're a lying sack of shit Nathan.

gideongallery · 11-07-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

= they told us something we don't want to let you guys know.

Such as "Yes you can take down the videos of those who break your TOS. Just like Youtube do."

Does anyone think they told him otherwise?

well considering i produced a proven example of a user who got banned for TOS violation and still had a video up

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wCdB8...eature=related

only a world class moron would believe that a good lawyer would ever come to the conclusion

"Yes you can take down the videos of those who break your TOS. Just like Youtube do."

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I spoke to my own attorney about this. He said they can remove anything if a user violated their TOS because it is a TOS violation and has nothing to do with DMCA. It is not a DMCA issue. That is why you have a TOS in the first place, to list YOUR rules. His example was Youtube.

Problem is, Nathan knows if they start removing the 1000s and 1000s of videos their uploaders put up there, their tubes would be done in a matter of a few weeks, and they can't do that. So.... more BS about they won't say anything and it's back to business, as usual, as expected. Nothing has changed.

Based on them banning a user if he has multiple violations, I personally could remove over 5000 videos if they deleted their uploads as well. Imagine how fast they would crumble if everyone went at them?

You're a lying sack of shit Nathan.

you need to hire another lawyer, if you showed him the post where i proved that youtube doesn't remove all the videos when they bann an account

and he still said that nat could do it "like youtube" does then he is a world class moron of a lawyer.

BTW you just saw evidence that your youtube doesn't remove all the videos of a banned account and your still sticking with that baldface lie.

you might want to look in the mirror when calling someone a lying sack of shit.

topnotch, standup guy · 11-07-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you need to hire another lawyer blah, blah, blah...

Well, look who's back.

Like flies on shit, Gideon here has found himself yet another virtual turd upon which to feast.
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charlie g · 11-07-2010, 08:50 AM

I think fabien/nathen is a sniveling pile of shit. I believe gideon to be his sex slave and would post anything that his master instructed him. I think there was a rumor going around that manwich just bought prirate bay, but I need to speak with my lawyers before I can repeat that rumor. Back to my dos programming so I can be a billionaire in a year like fabien/nathen.

DWB · 11-07-2010, 09:29 AM

Hey Time Shifter, welcome back! The Priates Bay offline or something?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

only a world class moron would believe that a good lawyer would ever come to the conclusion

you need to hire another lawyer, if you showed him the post where i proved that youtube doesn't remove all the videos when they bann an account

and he still said that nat could do it "like youtube" does then he is a world class moron of a lawyer.

God dammit, I knew it! I'll be sure to have him read your posts next time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

well considering i produced a proven example of a user who got banned for TOS violation and still had a video up

BTW you just saw evidence that your youtube doesn't remove all the videos of a banned account and your still sticking with that baldface lie.

OMG... you mean 1 user didn't get all of his videos removed? And you proved it?

I've had several accounts removed from Youtube for some of my mainstream work and ALL videos were taken down with it because the account was REMOVED, not just banned.

Seriously, you have to be the dumbest smart sounding mother fuckers here, and that really says a lot.

Now if you will excuse me, I have some time shifting to do.

DWB · 11-07-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

I think there was a rumor going around that manwich just bought prirate bay, but I need to speak with my lawyers before I can repeat that rumor.

I'll also check with my attorney about that and see what he says.

datatank · 11-07-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I've owned websites a LOT longer than you have. And I've owned content a LOT longer than you have...unless you were a big site owner dating back to the mid-1990's.

And you are looking really dumb when you say you can't take something down off of your own site. Bullshit. And everyone knows that. There is NO law in existence that says you have to have anything on Pornhub. You could delete the entire site right now if you wanted to. You could decide to shut it down and take it offline if you wanted to...or does DMCA say you "can't" LOL

WTF kind of b.s. is this? Pornhub is just a website. One of millions. It isn't some kind of national treasure that must be protected at all costs. You can delete every video right now if you want to.

You could find JESUS today and decide it's going to be an all religious tube from now on and go in there and delete every porn video in the data base and replace them all with Christian videos. No law says you can't.

No way you're this damn dumb. I think you are just doing another version of trolling to piss people off.

You do not understand the law nor what he is saying.

datatank · 11-07-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

Hey Fabian...should I post the newspaper articles from Montreal where O U I S S A M, Manos and Keezer have to live with 24 hour armed security and how much their neighbors can't stand to live in the neighborhood anymore because of them?

Yeah you guys are really popular. Idiot.

yes please sounds like fun

datatank · 11-07-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

6. The "mechanics" of the deals "you" made? Whatever Fabian. I can guarantee you I've bought and sold more shit than YOU have ever dreamed of in your little worker bee life. Especially real estate holdings I've bought and sold with money I've made from adult. I'm very much aware of what it takes to get those loans and the amount of money I had to have in my account and in annual income to be able to secure a Jumbo loan. I doubt VERY seriously you've ever made that kind of money in your entire life programmer. But if you say so...

Robbie didnt Nathan put together 40million bucks to buy brazzers?

LOL

DWB · 11-07-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Robbie didnt Nathan put together 40million bucks to buy brazzers?

Will check with my attorney and get back to you about that.

But I think he's going to say something along the lines of, probably not.

Agent 488 · 11-07-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

yes please sounds like fun

http://www.courrierlaval.com/Societe...artier-cossu/1

Posted on April 2, 2010
Nathalie Villeneuve

Residents of residential Bergerac III are worried. Since last fall, the private security guards driving SUVs with tinted windows monitor the area, round the clock, 7 days 7. Why? Nobody answers. Here is the first in a series of three articles published by the Courrier Laval.

On 18 November, on Jean-Paul Sartre, at dusk. A dark Ford Explorer, with a plate F is parked outside a house, engine off, lights out. On the driver's seat, a silhouette profile.

For nearly five months, residents of the neighborhood attend helplessly as the mysterious comings and goings of vehicles of a kind.
Similar evidence
"I am the first to have called the police," said one area resident who wishes to remain anonymous as all other citizens interviewed by the Courier Laval.
Their stories are consistent. The carousel they describe is disturbing. Most often, two, three, even four vehicles patrolling the area, day or night.

Why do some of their neighbors they need protection so important? That is the question they ask themselves with terror.
Unanswered
"Often they are parked on the street Simone de Beauvoir at the entrance of the development, said the same resident. I fear for the safety of my family. I have four children. "
One of his neighbors said they had located "four or five houses" that appear to be targeted by the guards in SUVs. "There are movements of people between the houses," he said. People were escorted to a house to another. "

A third citizen said that sometimes visitors who go home are followed. It all began in October, "he recalls. "Many families have called police since. I even went to the headquarters. They say: "Do not worry '."

An answer that satisfies no one. Councilman District, Yvon Bromley, is also aware of the issue but no action is taken, provide the citizens questioned. Mr Bromley did not return calls Courrier Laval.
Mansef Productions
Two residents said they spoke with the driver of the mysterious vehicle. In both cases, the business card they were tense was called Mansef Productions. The company owns a network of pornographic sites. The only thing reassuring person.
Department of Laval police are only valid for residents of the area have hired private security guards. "According to information we have, people do not have to worry about," says Lt. Daniel Guerin, head of communications. "The situation is unusual," he concedes, while sparing of comments about the information collected from individuals who engage the services of security guards. "They were victims of threats and intimidation. They also appealed to the Montreal police. "

Are these private agents monitor several houses? How? Investigators have they looked at the activities in these houses? "We found the comings and goings, we looked at the issue in every sense," Mr Guerin.

Despite this, SUVs are still circulating in the neighborhood, recently confirmed a resident.

charlie g · 11-07-2010, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I'll also check with my attorney about that and see what he says.

Please do. And when he advises you come back to the board and tell us. Don't tell us what he advised tho. Thanks

charlie g · 11-07-2010, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

http://www.courrierlaval.com/Societe...artier-cossu/1

Posted on April 2, 2010
Nathalie Villeneuve

Residents of residential Bergerac III are worried. Since last fall, the private security guards driving SUVs with tinted windows monitor the area, round the clock, 7 days 7. Why? Nobody answers. Here is the first in a series of three articles published by the Courrier Laval.

On 18 November, on Jean-Paul Sartre, at dusk. A dark Ford Explorer, with a plate F is parked outside a house, engine off, lights out. On the driver's seat, a silhouette profile.

For nearly five months, residents of the neighborhood attend helplessly as the mysterious comings and goings of vehicles of a kind.
Similar evidence
"I am the first to have called the police," said one area resident who wishes to remain anonymous as all other citizens interviewed by the Courier Laval.
Their stories are consistent. The carousel they describe is disturbing. Most often, two, three, even four vehicles patrolling the area, day or night.

Why do some of their neighbors they need protection so important? That is the question they ask themselves with terror.
Unanswered
"Often they are parked on the street Simone de Beauvoir at the entrance of the development, said the same resident. I fear for the safety of my family. I have four children. "
One of his neighbors said they had located "four or five houses" that appear to be targeted by the guards in SUVs. "There are movements of people between the houses," he said. People were escorted to a house to another. "

A third citizen said that sometimes visitors who go home are followed. It all began in October, "he recalls. "Many families have called police since. I even went to the headquarters. They say: "Do not worry '."

An answer that satisfies no one. Councilman District, Yvon Bromley, is also aware of the issue but no action is taken, provide the citizens questioned. Mr Bromley did not return calls Courrier Laval.
Mansef Productions
Two residents said they spoke with the driver of the mysterious vehicle. In both cases, the business card they were tense was called Mansef Productions. The company owns a network of pornographic sites. The only thing reassuring person.
Department of Laval police are only valid for residents of the area have hired private security guards. "According to information we have, people do not have to worry about," says Lt. Daniel Guerin, head of communications. "The situation is unusual," he concedes, while sparing of comments about the information collected from individuals who engage the services of security guards. "They were victims of threats and intimidation. They also appealed to the Montreal police. "

Are these private agents monitor several houses? How? Investigators have they looked at the activities in these houses? "We found the comings and goings, we looked at the issue in every sense," Mr Guerin.

Despite this, SUVs are still circulating in the neighborhood, recently confirmed a resident.

AHHHH HAAAAA!! Finally some proof!?!?!!!

DWB · 11-07-2010, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

http://www.courrierlaval.com/Societe...artier-cossu/1

Posted on April 2, 2010
Nathalie Villeneuve

Residents of residential Bergerac III are worried. Since last fall, the private security guards driving SUVs with tinted windows monitor the area, round the clock, 7 days 7. Why? Nobody answers. Here is the first in a series of three articles published by the Courrier Laval.

On 18 November, on Jean-Paul Sartre, at dusk. A dark Ford Explorer, with a plate F is parked outside a house, engine off, lights out. On the driver's seat, a silhouette profile.

For nearly five months, residents of the neighborhood attend helplessly as the mysterious comings and goings of vehicles of a kind.
Similar evidence
"I am the first to have called the police," said one area resident who wishes to remain anonymous as all other citizens interviewed by the Courier Laval.
Their stories are consistent. The carousel they describe is disturbing. Most often, two, three, even four vehicles patrolling the area, day or night.

Why do some of their neighbors they need protection so important? That is the question they ask themselves with terror.
Unanswered
"Often they are parked on the street Simone de Beauvoir at the entrance of the development, said the same resident. I fear for the safety of my family. I have four children. "
One of his neighbors said they had located "four or five houses" that appear to be targeted by the guards in SUVs. "There are movements of people between the houses," he said. People were escorted to a house to another. "

A third citizen said that sometimes visitors who go home are followed. It all began in October, "he recalls. "Many families have called police since. I even went to the headquarters. They say: "Do not worry '."

An answer that satisfies no one. Councilman District, Yvon Bromley, is also aware of the issue but no action is taken, provide the citizens questioned. Mr Bromley did not return calls Courrier Laval.
Mansef Productions
Two residents said they spoke with the driver of the mysterious vehicle. In both cases, the business card they were tense was called Mansef Productions. The company owns a network of pornographic sites. The only thing reassuring person.
Department of Laval police are only valid for residents of the area have hired private security guards. "According to information we have, people do not have to worry about," says Lt. Daniel Guerin, head of communications. "The situation is unusual," he concedes, while sparing of comments about the information collected from individuals who engage the services of security guards. "They were victims of threats and intimidation. They also appealed to the Montreal police. "

Are these private agents monitor several houses? How? Investigators have they looked at the activities in these houses? "We found the comings and goings, we looked at the issue in every sense," Mr Guerin.

Despite this, SUVs are still circulating in the neighborhood, recently confirmed a resident.

Great find.

They have to role with security because they know they have fucked over just about everyone and sooner or later someone is gonna pull their card.

I wonder how much Nathan is really getting paid to take the heat away from these guys? To put the security of your family on the line over some porn sites really says a lot about a person.

gideongallery · 11-07-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

OMG... you mean 1 user didn't get all of his videos removed? And you proved it?

I've had several accounts removed from Youtube for some of my mainstream work and ALL videos were taken down with it because the account was REMOVED, not just banned.

Seriously, you have to be the dumbest smart sounding mother fuckers here, and that really says a lot.

Now if you will excuse me, I have some time shifting to do.

youtube doesn't remove all the videos when they bann an account, you are baldface lying about that.

The fact is youtube does exactly the same thing NAT is doing, take down the account and ONLY the videos with complaints against them

they leave up the complaint less videos up.

I only need to produce 1 example to prove you lied.

All your videos got removed because you had a complaint for each an every video, maybe some of the complaints were bogus, and you could have got them reverses if you had filled out the 5 pages of paper work to see the complaints and responded to them, maybe it would have ment nothing.

But doesn't change the fact that

Youtube doesn't remove all the videos when they bann an account

WarChild · 11-08-2010, 12:03 AM

It's kind of funny to watch Robbie all up in here playing the big shot against a company the size of Mansef. Yes Robbie, we get it you're proud of Claudia Maria, and so you should be. You've done pretty well with that site.

I also know you're pretty ignorant about how much money tubes actually make. You believe, without any first hand knowledge, that their primary revenue streams are soley dating and webcams.

Back to what I was saying. I'd bet Pornhub alone makes more in a month than you do in a year. That's just one of their tubes. So yes Robbie, you may indeed a be a "true pornographer" (congrats on that btw?) with a history in this business dating back to to the 1990's. At the end of the day, after all of that work, the grand total of your online assets isn't even close to Mansef.

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 01:09 AM

Just a small remark regarding the great article posted:

1) This article is about owners of Mansef not owners of Manwin... and as we all know, Brazzers et al is owned by Manwin et al;
2) This article was posted beginning of April, while the sale of Mansef assets was not widely public;
3) As far as I know, the security mentioned there is no longer in use and has not been for quite some time;
4) I have no security, people that actually know me in person will know that too;
5) The article proves absolutely nothing.

gideon, thx for your posts, but there really is no need, the people still posting in here are completely out of sync with reality, its sadly a useless waste of time...

Not going to comment on any of the other crap posted lately...

DWB · 11-08-2010, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

Youtube doesn't remove all the videos when they bann an account

They can. I've seen it done on multiple occasions. If you were someone worthy of respect, or could even be taken seriously, I'd share my Youtube records with you so you can see everything that happened, step by step.

Why they may do one account and not another is their call, not yours or mine. But they have the authority to do so and that is the point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Just a small remark regarding the great article posted:

1) This article is about owners of Mansef not owners of Manwin... and as we all know, Brazzers et al is owned by Manwin et al;
2) This article was posted beginning of April, while the sale of Mansef assets was not widely public;
3) As far as I know, the security mentioned there is no longer in use and has not been for quite some time;
4) I have no security, people that actually know me in person will know that too;
5) The article proves absolutely nothing.

Not going to comment on any of the other crap posted lately...

Checking with my attorney about all of that. Supposed to have a meeting with him on Thursday.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

the people still posting in here are completely out of sync with reality, its sadly a useless waste of time...

You are also still posting here, and you keep coming back.

Is that what they pay you to do?

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 02:11 AM

DWB, sadly, noone pays me to post on this or any other board :/ It's 10am in Europe, I am watching TV, reading reports and contracts and reading GFY and posting in fun threads like this one to amuse myself... I usually do not get very busy until after lunch...

At some point, even you will have to accept the facts... I know it will happen, it will just take horribly long with you... ;)

It's always fun to reply to you and read your funny posts though.. so go on if you want to

charlie g · 11-08-2010, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

DWB, sadly, noone pays me to post on this or any other board :/ It's 10am in Europe, I am watching TV, reading reports and contracts and reading GFY and posting in fun threads like this one to amuse myself... I usually do not get very busy until after lunch...

At some point, even you will have to accept the facts... I know it will happen, it will just take horribly long with you... ;)

It's always fun to reply to you and read your funny posts though.. so go on if you want to

You seem like a good guy fabien. Suppose somebody from russia posts a shitload of videos with very young looking girls. Do you pull those down or do you wait for a DMCA complaint? I am sure you have already consulted with the lawyers, but could you share with me? This is an absolute honest question.

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

You seem like a good guy fabien. Suppose somebody from russia posts a shitload of videos with very young looking girls. Do you pull those down or do you wait for a DMCA complaint? I am sure you have already consulted with the lawyers, but could you share with me? This is an absolute honest question.

It would most likely not even go up, and if it goes up, it would be pulled down by the community quickly.

gideongallery · 11-08-2010, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

They can. I've seen it done on multiple occasions. If you were someone worthy of respect, or could even be taken seriously, I'd share my Youtube records with you so you can see everything that happened, step by step.

funny i know you didn't fill out the paper work to get the reason for each videos banning, because if you did you would know youtube covers their ass better than anyone

they don't take shit down unless they have someone or something else to blame for it.

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Why they may do one account and not another is their call, not yours or mine. But they have the authority to do so and that is the point.

bullshit you can't TOS your legal liablities to th law, youtube covers their ass for everything better than anyone, they always have someone else to blame for all their actions, they never take down shit unless they have something else to point to

a law that is unequivically being broken (and no copyright infringement is not unequivalent because of fair use)
a complaint form someone else
etc.

if the you could basically say fuck you to the law just because of TOS
eharmony would have been sued by gay and lesbian groups for deciding to segment the market with their services.

they own a patent on martix math for dating, and as a result no gay/lesbian dating site can match you on 29 points of compatibility and they got sued because their TOS violated the law.

http://mashable.com/2010/01/28/eharmony-lawsuit/

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The company will also pay out $500,000 to around 150 Californians to settle. That’s in addition to the $1.5 million it has spent defending itself in court.

2 million dollar in damages that would never have happened if TOS actually allowed you to bipass the laws.

charlie g · 11-08-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

It would most likely not even go up, and if it goes up, it would be pulled down by the community quickly.

Thanks for answering Fabian.

So your company does exercise editorial control over user submitted media?

If some media happens to pass through your editorial approval and then gets flagged by the community, how is it reviewed? Is it automatically removed, do you ask the submitter for 2257 docs or does an editor reevaluate the content?

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie g

Thanks for answering Fabian.

So your company does exercise editorial control over user submitted media?

If some media happens to pass through your editorial approval and then gets flagged by the community, how is it reviewed? Is it automatically removed, do you ask the submitter for 2257 docs or does an editor reevaluate the content?

case by case, and this is not editorial control, its except from that definition per DMCA and 2257.

DeanCapture · 11-08-2010, 10:05 AM

Love your sig Nathan:

"When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills..."

But I think it's not quite complete yet. It should read something like this....

"When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills. And then some, like us....will steal your fucking windmills. And if you don't like it, tough shit, because things are changing mother fucker and you either have to adapt or die. Profiting from stolen windmills is the shit these days - so get used to it!"

WarChild · 11-08-2010, 10:15 AM

So how do I get my tube submissions up on your properties? Because it seems to me like everytime I've tried, it's never been posted. Granted it's been probably since Brazzers owned all the tubes that I've tried uploading, so maybe it's changed?

It's been my experience that all the large tubes are exercising "editorial control" because as a user that uploads tube files, with specific copyright permissions from their owners, it's been nearly impossible to actually get anything listed.

Robbie · 11-08-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

It's kind of funny to watch Robbie all up in here playing the big shot against a company the size of Mansef. Yes Robbie, we get it you're proud of Claudia Maria, and so you should be. You've done pretty well with that site.

I also know you're pretty ignorant about how much money tubes actually make. You believe, without any first hand knowledge, that their primary revenue streams are soley dating and webcams.

Back to what I was saying. I'd bet Pornhub alone makes more in a month than you do in a year. That's just one of their tubes. So yes Robbie, you may indeed a be a "true pornographer" (congrats on that btw?) with a history in this business dating back to to the 1990's. At the end of the day, after all of that work, the grand total of your online assets isn't even close to Mansef.

Nice post Warchild...unfortunately for you I never said my assets added up to Mansef/Manwin.

I said very specifically that my assets and money I've made and properties I buy and own add up to MUCH more than some programmer who used to work for NATS and then ran a failed small program and then "magically" can come up with the money to buy a multi-million dollar company. HE is the one who tried to preach to me how to get business loans and make acquisitions...I merely pointed out that he doesn't have the credit history and income over the years to be able to do what he claimed he did.

I guess you just read it the way you want to read it.

And I'm pretty sure that I have just as much if not more experience trying to make money with tubes as you do for sure. Owning one for the last two years and also trying to sell memberships off of big ones. You're opinion and "knowledge" isn't enough to make the definitive statement that you just tried to make. You know nothing more than the next guy who doesn't own pornhub. I know what their ability to make sales to a paysite is on pornhub...they are my affiliate. They suck. I also know what my own tube site does for sales with 99% search engine traffic....it sucks.

What's the basis for you to tell me I'm ignorant? How much do you make on your tube site and how many tube sites are an affiliate of a program you own?

WarChild · 11-08-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

What's the basis for you to tell me I'm ignorant? How much do you make on your tube site and how many tube sites are an affiliate of a program you own?

I know personally the owner of one of the larger free tubes not owned by Manwin. I know what kind of numbers they do and where the revenue comes from.

Additionally, I am personally sending good quality, converting and retaining members from tubes to many of the larger affiliate programs. Programs like Nasty Dollars, Bang Bros, Top Bucks, FYC, etc etc. The traffic is being 100% generated from free tubes.

So that's how I know. I have first hand experience with it. I'm sorry if you can't seem to sell your wife's site on tubes. It's probably because you're a bit of a dinousaur stuck in your ways. Maybe you can give Mr. Foray a call for some help? He pretty much got you where you are today, no? Maybe he'll help out again?

You're ALWAYS bringing up money, income and experience as some sort of metric of the worth of a person's oppinion. That's fine if that's how you see the World, but unfortunately the guys running Brazzers have whooped up on you with your own measuring stick. It makes you look ridiculous imho.

DamianJ · 11-08-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

What's the basis for you to tell me I'm ignorant?

The Porn Nerd · 11-08-2010, 10:39 AM

For the tubes that have Content Partner Programs i say hallelujah because site owners like me need the traffic. For those who are being harmed by stolen material I feel for you.

That's about it, really.

PS: Robbie or Manwin...Robbie or Manwin....LOL

Robbie · 11-08-2010, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

I know personally the owner of one of the larger free tubes not owned by Manwin. I know what kind of numbers they do and where the revenue comes from.

Good for you man. Now why don't you get off my ass and go argue with somebody else. I personally don't give a fuck what some guy calling himself "warchild" on a message board thinks about this business. Nor do I give a shit what you think about me or how you think somebody "got me" where I am today. I got where I am today by being smarter and faster than most people. Just like I continue to work hard. Good luck to you in your search for making money on tubes.

I hope it works out for you...and I also hope that every site that is profiting from the work of others ends up bankrupt and in prison in the future.

WarChild · 11-08-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Good for you man. Now why don't you get off my ass and go argue with somebody else. I personally don't give a fuck what some guy calling himself "warchild" on a message board thinks about this business. Nor do I give a shit what you think about me or how you think somebody "got me" where I am today. I got where I am today by being smarter and faster than most people. Just like I continue to work hard. Good luck to you in your search for making money on tubes.

I hope it works out for you...and I also hope that every site that is profiting from the work of others ends up bankrupt and in prison in the future.

I suspect you do care what people think of you because you're constantly trumpeting your achievments as some sort of proof of your credibility.

Here's a shocker for you, Robbie. I can and actually do respect the things you've accomplished in this business. In many aspects, you most probably ARE an expert.

I personally don't like Pornography and can't be involved in the production aspects of it. I can't stand the "talent" or most of the people in the industry. I've been to many of the shows, both large and small, and I'm just not really in to getting stupid drunk and or high with a bunch of social misfits. It's not for me. It would probably surprise you to learn that I have both built and sold profitable paysites. I came to recognize over time that I'm not particularily interested in that part of this business so I don't persue it.

So yes, when it comes to big breasted MILF solo sites, you probably ARE the authority on the matter. Just as Steve Lightspeed is to solo teens. What I take exception to is your stamping your feet around in any discussion and declaring just how much smarter you are than everybody else. You might not think you come over like that but trust me you do. I'm not the only person to notice it either.

Time to take a deep breath, cool off and join the discussion from a peer level instead of trying to prove constantly that nobody here is your peer. Nobody's questioning ClaudiaMarie.com here, so there's no need to parade it out as some sort of proof of your absolute authority on all things Internet.

gideongallery · 11-08-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

lol

mean but funny

gideongallery · 11-08-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Love your sig Nathan:

"When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills..."

But I think it's not quite complete yet. It should read something like this....

"When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills. And then some, like us....will steal your fucking windmills. And if you don't like it, tough shit, because things are changing mother fucker and you either have to adapt or die. Profiting from stolen windmills is the shit these days - so get used to it!"

i hope you realized if you adapted to the new marketplace (did the equivalent of put your shit on a tape cassette and sell it to vcr owners) you would actually benefit far more than anyone else.

your style of content production is actually best suited to content sold AS traffic.

Robbie · 11-08-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

You might not think you come over like that but trust me you do. I'm not the only person to notice it either.

Time to take a deep breath, cool off and join the discussion from a peer level instead of trying to prove constantly that nobody here is your peer. Nobody's questioning ClaudiaMarie.com here, so there's no need to parade it out as some sort of proof of your absolute authority on all things Internet.

Not trying to come across like that at all. I'm sure you're not trying to sound like a "know-it-all" either. But the written word doesn't always convey what a person is really trying to put across.

The only point I was trying to make in the original post you're giving me a spanking over was I do know exactly what it takes to get large loans and acquire businesses and property. And I was questioning Nathan on how in the hell he could suddenly have the means to do those things with no track record of making money and the credit history that goes with it.

So just like everyone else...I can only come to the logical conclusion that somebody else is the person who really put the money together.

That's what you came after me about and misunderstood me and thought I was claiming to be making more money than Brazzers. I'm not. I'm probably PERSONALLY bringing home just as much net pay as the top guy there does at the end of the day...or at least in the same ballpark.

But my point was that you have to have a history of making a lot of money, and if you own your own company like I do...you have to pay yourself a salary from your company, and then have a history of tax returns showing that amount of income in order to get loans to buy multi-million dollar companies like Nathan says he did...even though he was just a programmer working for TMM a couple of years ago.

This had nothing to do with Claudia-Marie or my affiliate work over the years. It was plain and simple me questioning how our boy Nathan could magically do that.

You just misunderstood what I was saying, got annoyed at me for whatever reason and took it to a personal level on my ass.

Now can we hug it out and stop arguing in this thread that SHOULD be about Nathan/Fabian being exposed for not removing stolen content from his tubes?

Robbie · 11-08-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

lol

mean but funny

What's "mean but funny"?

It's our band promo pic. Just finished a gig at the Top Of The Riv Ballroom at the Riviera on the Vegas strip. Playing at Brandos on Industrial right behind Circus Circus on Dec. 3rd.

Sorry if you guys think rock-n-roll is funny. But I suppose that nerdy little geeks like you would.

WarChild · 11-08-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Not trying to come across like that at all. I'm sure you're not trying to sound like a "know-it-all" either. But the written word doesn't always convey what a person is really trying to put across.

The only point I was trying to make in the original post you're giving me a spanking over was I do know exactly what it takes to get large loans and acquire businesses and property. And I was questioning Nathan on how in the hell he could suddenly have the means to do those things with no track record of making money and the credit history that goes with it.

So just like everyone else...I can only come to the logical conclusion that somebody else is the person who really put the money together.

That's what you came after me about and misunderstood me and thought I was claiming to be making more money than Brazzers. I'm not. I'm probably PERSONALLY bringing home just as much net pay as the top guy there does at the end of the day...or at least in the same ballpark.

But my point was that you have to have a history of making a lot of money, and if you own your own company like I do...you have to pay yourself a salary from your company, and then have a history of tax returns showing that amount of income in order to get loans to buy multi-million dollar companies like Nathan says he did...even though he was just a programmer working for TMM a couple of years ago.

This had nothing to do with Claudia-Marie or my affiliate work over the years. It was plain and simple me questioning how our boy Nathan could magically do that.

You just misunderstood what I was saying, got annoyed at me for whatever reason and took it to a personal level on my ass.

Now can we hug it out and stop arguing in this thread that SHOULD be about Nathan/Fabian being exposed for not removing stolen content from his tubes?

Fair enough. I don't know anything about this Nathan guy either. I have to take what he says as being on the level. I'm not sure I entirely believe he's the top man in charge, but I haven't spent much time thinking about it either. It's not really my business and there's no way for me to really insert myself in it if I had such a desire.

There are some explanations that seem plausible, however.

First off, the guys that started the whole mess, the Brazzers clan were just average webmasters some what 7 years ago. They hit it big as a program, and then later with tubes. Ultimately they ended up with both content AND traffic. Pretty much self reliant. Ethics aside, and trust me I don't think they're squeaky clean either, they pretty much blew up in a rather short period of time.

Consider also that at Internext Las Vegas circa 2002ish, Dukeskywalker was updaing a MGP and hahaha was running around making content in hotel rooms. I'd say both of them pretty much exploded from humble starts as well.

There's also the possibility that he's a fantastic visonary, that through whatever connections he's made managed to hook up with a financial partner. He calls himself managing partner or something along those lines. He may well own a substantial share of the company without having put up much or any money himself. Most people with large sums to invest don't care if they make you rich along the way to them getting richer.

I guess the point is that we don't know what Nathan might have been up to in the background these passed years but it's safe to say it isn't IMPOSSIBLE that some, much or even all of what he's saying is true.

WarChild · 11-08-2010, 11:37 AM

So now back on to the discussion at hand.

Nathan, is it safe to say that anyone who posts content to your properties, with proper copyright permissions and following your tos, can expect to find submitted videos at some point somewhere on your tubes? In other words, you are not exercising editorial powers?

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

So how do I get my tube submissions up on your properties? Because it seems to me like everytime I've tried, it's never been posted. Granted it's been probably since Brazzers owned all the tubes that I've tried uploading, so maybe it's changed?

It's been my experience that all the large tubes are exercising "editorial control" because as a user that uploads tube files, with specific copyright permissions from their owners, it's been nearly impossible to actually get anything listed.

If its your own content (vs. affiliate promotion) its best to get a content partner program account, check the links on the bottom of most of our tubes to find it.

If its content that you want to use as an affiliate, its a bit more complicated...

WarChild · 11-08-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

If its your own content (vs. affiliate promotion) its best to get a content partner program account, check the links on the bottom of most of our tubes to find it.

If its content that you want to use as an affiliate, its a bit more complicated...

It's content that I use as an affiliate but have specific permission to use for promotion. By specific I mean from the content owners for me to promote in this fashion. I've had to in the past get the content owners to contact larger sites to verify and that hasn't been a problem.

So is there a process I can further investigate or by a bit more complicated do you mean not to bother?

I appreciate the honesty.

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

So now back on to the discussion at hand.

Nathan, is it safe to say that anyone who posts content to your properties, with proper copyright permissions and following your tos, can expect to find submitted videos at some point somewhere on your tubes? In other words, you are not exercising editorial powers?

Yes it is.

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

It's content that I use as an affiliate but have specific permission to use for promotion. By specific I mean from the content owners for me to promote in this fashion. I've had to in the past get the content owners to contact larger sites to verify and that hasn't been a problem.

So is there a process I can further investigate or by a bit more complicated do you mean not to bother?

I appreciate the honesty.

To be on the safe side, I suggest you email me, I will forward your eMail to the tube team and they will get back to you on the best approach, always better to ask them than me directly.

eMail me at the email in my sig.

Nathan · 11-08-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The only point I was trying to make in the original post you're giving me a spanking over was I do know exactly what it takes to get large loans and acquire businesses and property. And I was questioning Nathan on how in the hell he could suddenly have the means to do those things with no track record of making money and the credit history that goes with it.

So just like everyone else...I can only come to the logical conclusion that somebody else is the person who really put the money together.

That's what you came after me about and misunderstood me and thought I was claiming to be making more money than Brazzers. I'm not. I'm probably PERSONALLY bringing home just as much net pay as the top guy there does at the end of the day...or at least in the same ballpark.

But my point was that you have to have a history of making a lot of money, and if you own your own company like I do...you have to pay yourself a salary from your company, and then have a history of tax returns showing that amount of income in order to get loans to buy multi-million dollar companies like Nathan says he did...even though he was just a programmer working for TMM a couple of years ago.

This had nothing to do with Claudia-Marie or my affiliate work over the years. It was plain and simple me questioning how our boy Nathan could magically do that.

You just misunderstood what I was saying, got annoyed at me for whatever reason and took it to a personal level on my ass.

Now can we hug it out and stop arguing in this thread that SHOULD be about Nathan/Fabian being exposed for not removing stolen content from his tubes?

1) I was a founder of TMM, not "just a programmer working for".
2) The great thing about people "knowing" about how to get loans is, some know better than others.
3) "Track record" you invent or read about on some message board or the web might be missing information you simply do not know. Unless you somehow know the european porn market very well, I highly doubt you really know my track record.
4) In the end, it's none of your business to know how I managed to do what I did. It's also none of your business to know anything about the internal non public information about myself, my family, my companies or anything else that involves me.

KrissyElise · 11-08-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

To be on the safe side, I suggest you email me, I will forward your eMail to the tube team and they will get back to you on the best approach, always better to ask them than me directly.

eMail me at the email in my sig.

gideongallery · 11-08-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

What's "mean but funny"?

It's our band promo pic. Just finished a gig at the Top Of The Riv Ballroom at the Riviera on the Vegas strip. Playing at Brandos on Industrial right behind Circus Circus on Dec. 3rd.

Sorry if you guys think rock-n-roll is funny. But I suppose that nerdy little geeks like you would.

re read damian comment specifically what he was responding to when he posted the picture

if your to stupid to understand how context matters, well their no point in trying to explain it to you.

Robbie · 11-08-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

re read damian comment specifically what he was responding to when he posted the picture

if your to stupid to understand how context matters, well their no point in trying to explain it to you.

damianj is on my ignore list for not having anything of relevance to say to me ever, so I have no idea what his comment was and don't care.

And now gideongallery...it is with GREAT pain and sorrow that I am going to have to send you there too.

It would be hypocritical of me to not put you on ignore when you're the biggest clown of them all.

I admit I deliberately broke my own rule: Anybody who has nothing of relevance to say but just makes verbal attacks goes on ignore from now on.

I broke it because your insane double talk and b.s. over the last couple of years has kept me laughing. But it's time to play fair.

So off you go with the other clowns. Goodbye gideongallery. I had a great time watching you defend thieves and end up looking like a jack-ass.

But before I let you go...SHOULDN'T YOU BE EMAILING THEDOC? HE OWNS YOU!!!

Robbie · 11-08-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

1) I was a founder of TMM, not "just a programmer working for".
2) The great thing about people "knowing" about how to get loans is, some know better than others.
3) "Track record" you invent or read about on some message board or the web might be missing information you simply do not know. Unless you somehow know the european porn market very well, I highly doubt you really know my track record.
4) In the end, it's none of your business to know how I managed to do what I did. It's also none of your business to know anything about the internal non public information about myself, my family, my companies or anything else that involves me.

Fair enough. You don't owe anybody an explanation. But you damn sure owe a lot of people something if you don't take down their content.

By the way...you are a "founder" of TMM? Not that that means a whole lot as far as income goes...but just wondering...are you trying to say that you were an OWNER? Or were you just the first employee?

And for your second point claiming to have some secrets about "knowing" how to get jumbo loans...there is no secret. You have to have the income to back it up. You PERSONALLY don't.

Somebody else does. And you are the guy who was made a "partner" to do the work with little or no financial input. And that's cool. IF you have knowledge and skills that make your part in the company just as valuable as the money guy.

But so far...you haven't demonstrated shit. You don't seem to know the answers to anything that you've been asked. You're always shoving it off to one of the other people in the company.

Even your programming skills are suspect because in another thread when someone said you should just write a script to remove content that you KNOW isn't yours...you replied that it had been "years" since you had done programming. And you inferred that you are too rusty to write a simple script.

Don't bother replying to me bro. I already know the answer you'll give: The company is soooooo big that you just can't know everything (anything at all).

It's not a big deal. I've already weighed and measured you...and you come up short to me. I was just replying to Warchild's post. I could care less about you Nathan/Fabian. You can't make me a penny, and I've already taken steps with my content to make sure you don't cost me much either. So carry on with your thieving. It'll come back on you.

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11-07-2010, 03:27 AM	#202
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11-07-2010, 08:50 AM	#207
charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,758	I think fabien/nathen is a sniveling pile of shit. I believe gideon to be his sex slave and would post anything that his master instructed him. I think there was a rumor going around that manwich just bought prirate bay, but I need to speak with my lawyers before I can repeat that rumor. Back to my dos programming so I can be a billionaire in a year like fabien/nathen. __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com -------------------------------

11-08-2010, 12:03 AM	#219
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	It's kind of funny to watch Robbie all up in here playing the big shot against a company the size of Mansef. Yes Robbie, we get it you're proud of Claudia Maria, and so you should be. You've done pretty well with that site. I also know you're pretty ignorant about how much money tubes actually make. You believe, without any first hand knowledge, that their primary revenue streams are soley dating and webcams. Back to what I was saying. I'd bet Pornhub alone makes more in a month than you do in a year. That's just one of their tubes. So yes Robbie, you may indeed a be a "true pornographer" (congrats on that btw?) with a history in this business dating back to to the 1990's. At the end of the day, after all of that work, the grand total of your online assets isn't even close to Mansef. __________________ . Last edited by WarChild; 11-08-2010 at 12:05 AM..

11-08-2010, 01:09 AM	#220
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Just a small remark regarding the great article posted: 1) This article is about owners of Mansef not owners of Manwin... and as we all know, Brazzers et al is owned by Manwin et al; 2) This article was posted beginning of April, while the sale of Mansef assets was not widely public; 3) As far as I know, the security mentioned there is no longer in use and has not been for quite some time; 4) I have no security, people that actually know me in person will know that too; 5) The article proves absolutely nothing. gideon, thx for your posts, but there really is no need, the people still posting in here are completely out of sync with reality, its sadly a useless waste of time... Not going to comment on any of the other crap posted lately... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

11-08-2010, 02:11 AM	#222
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	DWB, sadly, noone pays me to post on this or any other board :/ It's 10am in Europe, I am watching TV, reading reports and contracts and reading GFY and posting in fun threads like this one to amuse myself... I usually do not get very busy until after lunch... At some point, even you will have to accept the facts... I know it will happen, it will just take horribly long with you... ;) It's always fun to reply to you and read your funny posts though.. so go on if you want to __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

11-08-2010, 10:05 AM	#228
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Love your sig Nathan: "When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills..." But I think it's not quite complete yet. It should read something like this.... "When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills. And then some, like us....will steal your fucking windmills. And if you don't like it, tough shit, because things are changing mother fucker and you either have to adapt or die. Profiting from stolen windmills is the shit these days - so get used to it!" __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

11-08-2010, 10:15 AM	#229
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	So how do I get my tube submissions up on your properties? Because it seems to me like everytime I've tried, it's never been posted. Granted it's been probably since Brazzers owned all the tubes that I've tried uploading, so maybe it's changed? It's been my experience that all the large tubes are exercising "editorial control" because as a user that uploads tube files, with specific copyright permissions from their owners, it's been nearly impossible to actually get anything listed. __________________ .

11-08-2010, 10:39 AM	#233
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,501	For the tubes that have Content Partner Programs i say hallelujah because site owners like me need the traffic. For those who are being harmed by stolen material I feel for you. That's about it, really. PS: Robbie or Manwin...Robbie or Manwin....LOL __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

11-08-2010, 11:37 AM	#241
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	So now back on to the discussion at hand. Nathan, is it safe to say that anyone who posts content to your properties, with proper copyright permissions and following your tos, can expect to find submitted videos at some point somewhere on your tubes? In other words, you are not exercising editorial powers? __________________ .