lol you get an E for effort.

:2 cents::2 cents: You're a piece of shit Dirty D. Lying to us about conversions being up and new serious affiliates signing up..:1orglaugh:1orglaugh This is bad exposure that exposes your shitty ways of doing business and you know it. Don't try playing it off, you stole from an affiliate, period. :thumbsup

If you were smart you would have just came out and said this was not an acceptable method of promotion and added it to your TOS, then PAID THE SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY OWED. Instead you act like a total clown and cheapskate, good luck in the future, I'm sure it will serve you well.

We have worked it out.
Your account is still active and you will be paid $100pps for 30 days.
Just not on searches for "Crack Whore Confessions"

If you don't want to send valid sales, it is certainly your choice.

Yes in the old days, "looking like you could pay" was important.
Don't I know.

The old timers would have said, "hahaha Shoehorn, sorry for the hassle I'm going to send you double $700. That is "money I wipe my ass with."

And you would prob be still promting them 10 years later. :)

It is all about the money and now I am wondering if I'll get paid or should keep promoting as I just started and got $40 working.

Really messy to see another sponsor hemming and hawing like this.

But at least Shoehorn showed us how its done. Man kudos. Domain, buttons, this guy doesn't fuck around when he is owed money.

If I was a prog owner I would want HIM taking that ONE spot Google allows for crackwhoreconfessions ALONG SIDE my own high ranking organic listing SO that the competions kw for "crackwhoretrainwrecks" doesnt get more of MY traffic because now I have two links (you and Shoehorn) without Shoehorn you have one. Before Shoehorn splits the traffic with the other guy. Now the other guy gets all of the PPC traffic.

Pay the man. Assure your affils you have "wipeing ass money" and go and sin no more.

Actually it's fraud... and theft.

So anyone who chooses to SEO for "crackwhore confessions" should send their traffic to BVF instead, because you fuck affiliates? Seriously, you're gonna take an affiliate who can drive the sales, and fuck him around? What's keeping him from now bidding the same keywords and sending your potential sales elsewhere? Nothing... I really do hope he turns all these keywords around and sends someone else a pile of sales bidding on your trademark phrases... :1orglaugh

Quoted for truth! What an assclown.

Done. :thumbsup

Appreciate that.

Even If I don't get my money, its not a total loss if I can save others from losing their money to him.

How do you determine "valid sales". How is Shoehorn suppose to know what you think is "valid sales" SINCE YOU DIDN"T FUCKING STATE THIS ANYWHERE ON YOUR SITE AND WHAT HE DID IS ACCEPTED BY ALMOST ALL SITES IN ADULT.

Seriously, you could say I wont pay you from this point forward if you continue to do that, but to tell him way after the fact that you wont be paying him for sales already made = theft.

Are you that fucking broke?

I hope everyone targets "crack whore confessions" now the same way shoehorn was doing and they send it to your competitors. Then you get none of the traffic.

Fucking moron. your program must have dwindled away to shit and just don't care anymore because it can't get any worse for you... only explanation that makes sense... you are cracking and just don't care because its all gone to shit for your sites.

You can't pay me what you already owe me, why on earth would I sent you more sales that you can't pay for?

Face it, you are a scammer. You let me run my campaigns with no intention of paying me hoping that I wouldn't notice. But I did notice, called you out and exposed you as the scumbag that you are.

And I know you're hurting for sales. How do I know? Because you picked my sales out, looked where they were coming from, decided you didn't like PPC campaigns for whatever reason, and stopped paying me. Any real affiliate program wouldn't be watching ever little sale to see where they could rip off an affiliate. And if they found an affiliate doing something they didn't like, they would contact them and tell them to stop, not make up some bullshit about violating your TOS, when its been proven that you have no TOS regarding PPC traffic.

You are a thief, plain and simple.

maybe he grabbed a couple 8balls of rock and ran off with one of his crackhead whores.... :1orglaugh

this is so true. Days of the bling bling for the most are gone, like you said instead of trying to look rich and throwing money around they have gone from one extreme to the other. Now they are so tight and broke they rip off affiliates to try to hold on to as much money as they can.... but they call it " good marketing" and it's their new method on how to get new affiliates to sign up. :upsidedow

That's what I'm thinking:2 cents:

not for long LOL not for long... wait till people here start targeting it and sending it to your competitors, then come back and tell us how well your shit is converting. :1orglaugh:thumbsup

As far as all this hiding behind loopholes in a TOS...

There are lots of things that are not stated in ours.
Should it be a roadmap to include all forms of cheating that are not allowed?

We don't say anything about carders... they don't get paid either.
There is also nothing about cookie stuffing... they don't get paid.
How about adware... nope
Are there other forms of fraud to list that will cause you not to get paid, yep.

Shoehorn posted a great example from Blockbuster to show that HE KNOWS affiliate programs don't need (or allow) affiliates to bid on their established brand and domain.

http://www.johnnyshoehorn.com/hotlink/terms.jpg

This thread is still going strong.

If Dirty D (Dumb shit Douche Bag) was smart he would pay you the total amount and throw in a couple hundred bucks just to save is sorry reputation, Or whats left of it.

Notice none of the "Bros" have come to Dirty D's (Dumb shit Douche Bag) defense? That should say something.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

.. And here is a bump for you Shoehorn!

Bump:disgust

Every example you just gave is blatant fraud. Everyone knows carding is fraud. Try to have more sense. I sent you legitimate sales through a tried and true advertising stream.

The screenshot I posted was for a mainstream program that clearly defines what not to bid on when promoting them via PPC. I can post screenshots of affiliate programs that allow any keywords.

If you have outlined that you didn't accept PPC traffic it would be a different story all together. Fact is, you took my traffic and sales for several months before deciding to not pay me.

You are a thief. People can see that you owe me money and aren't paying. No matter how you try to spin it, you are wrong.

Dress it up however you'd like. Between cookie stuffing, carding, and bidding competitive terms, two are fraudulent and one isn't. His leads were IN NO WAY FRAUDULENT.

Putting together a keyword list, most marketers check the terms to see what keywords are disallowed. Places that don't want to have competition on their terms lay it out plain and clear, and if there is nothing specifically stated, it is free game in the PPC world.

If he was sending you junk signups, then it's understandable. this is your loss and your fault, and he spent his money promoting your program 100% legitimately.

Lets get this back to the top as well.

And for anyone promoting HowIGotRich sites, there is a list of alternative sites owned by reputable programs at PayMeDirtyD.com, that way you can send the same traffic and not have to worry about not getting paid.

Next show I go to I'll have some PayMeDirtyD.com shirts as well. This isn't going to end here. Unless of course Dirty D decides to make things right and pay me the money that I am owed.

I just have to ask this...

Why do you say "valid sales" ? What do you consider a valid sale? Is that according to your TOS or just what YOU consider to be a valid sale?

Is all this bullshit worth it to you?

If it was me, I would just pay the money, term the affiliate, and update my TOS.

It seems to me that you are going out of your way to prove yourself right when you are clearly wrong if it came done to a case of contractual law.

I just don't get it.

Unfortunately for Shoehorn, he has made some statements in this thread that would probably create some issues for him in a court case, but if you would have done this to me my lawyer would have already filed a suit and we would be meeting in court and I can assure you that you would be paying me at least 10x what you owed me at the minimum.

It's a shame that ego's have gotten in the way of a sensible business resolution. :2 cents:

Now they are leads? lol

wow

Actually, if you don't have clear terms, then technically you are responsible for paying on any sales that don't violate US law. Carding and cookie stuffing are two completely different animals, one being illegal and the other not.

Any attorney would tell you the same thing.

I recommend you consult with one ASAP and rewrite your TOS.. :2 cents:

Look into mainstream marketing sometime, you might learn something.

Whatever, one slip up. I promote CPA and work with leads as opposed to sales, it's slips out. You're the stunned fuck who doesn't seem to understand what a type-in is, so what grounds do you have to point fingers on? :1orglaugh

Yep, Tshirts have worked well for me too.

The show will be outside the 30 day $100 pps for your account though.

Actually when I see good spoonsors with $2000 threads that is today's bling bling. :thumbsup They'er still around.

This is why this is disturbing. I thought this was a fairly big prog yet many feel the only real explanation is sales are so bad and/or somehow the prog is failing.

I know you're trying to get under my skin, but you're only doing more damage to yourself.

Carding is by the law illegal no use to put that in your TOS.

Stop being a idiot, he at least sends the PPC to you, I never would have done that. I always send it to the competitor.

Taken from the previous page, it was near the bottom and might have been missed.

And I know he is hurting for sales. How do I know? Because he picked my sales out, looked where they were coming from, decided he didn't like PPC campaigns for whatever reason, and stopped paying me. Any affiliate program doing a substantial amount of sales a day wouldn't be watching ever little sale to see where they could rip off an affiliate. And if they found an affiliate doing something they didn't like, they would contact them and tell them to stop, not make up some bullshit about violating their TOS, when its been proven that there was no TOS regarding PPC traffic to begin with.

He is thinks he is doing some smart marketing, while he is actually killing his whole "empire".... These are the days you suppose to listen to Jenny.

Its not too late for him to pay me and move on. Instead he chooses to keep coming in here and making excuses. I really don't understand what he hopes to accomplish by keeping the money that is owed to me.

Yep, I had to borrow money to get some gas for momma's car.

I love PPC campaigns.

Funny how you can't read your own examples of bad marketing.

The Shady Shoehorn Marketing Award....

That has a nice ring to it :winkwink:

I supose that Crackwhores are not that cheap any more. It is all about the crisis these days.:helpme

So PPC is shady to you? Do you have any idea how Google got to be such a valuable company? Do you know how many companies have a person in house managing their PPC campaigns for them?

Of course you don't, otherwise I would already have my money.

Gloating about sales is usually not a good tactic, particularly in a thread in which you are already taking a beating, and especially with a site that has an Alexa ranking of 124,358 (and sinking - down 4% this week).

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...nfessions.com&

Hell, BVF (Black Vagina Finder) has an Alexa rank of 66,818. :helpme

I'm not a fan of some of your content, but we've met and I don't dislike you as a person (truth be told, I think you are quite knowledgeable about the biz, and you're fun to hang out with), but as a businessman, I would offer that you really need to pay Shoehorn up and put this all behind you.

ADG

you do realize that he was only making a couple sales a month doing this? But yet you claim now that he stopped and the traffic isn't being "siphoned" you are doing much better!!!! LOL good to know a small amount of hits and a couple sales a month to you = doing much better!!!!

congrats.