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NetHorse 12-07-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16622877)
-snip- Dirty D may not have noticed it right away or chosen to give him a warning without terminating him.

He didn't terminate him, he just didn't want to pay. If shoehorn had said nothing you can bet your ass that piece of shit would keep accepting the sales.

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It's kind of a common sense thing from my perspective... I don't bid on adwords like this because I KNOW that is generally not acceptable... especially if I am sending directly to the tour and not to a landing page.
Oh? It's common sense? So 98% of the program owners who have come forward and said they were OK with it are what then?

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some of the shit that people are calling him in this thread is totally undue.
It's not undue, . Why do people have a terms of service in the first place? Is everything in there supposed to be "assumed"? He could have easily paid the $350 in legit sales that shoehorn produced and then changed his TOS. If he wants to act like a clown then he deserves everything coming to him.

BTW, I suggest you change your terms of service. You know that's the perfect place to keep things like this.

nikki99 12-07-2009 12:16 PM

holy shit this thread will never dies

Shoehorn! 12-07-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fmltube (Post 16622530)
Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663

Yeah thats the same guy we're dealing with here.

fmltube 12-07-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn! (Post 16623029)
Yeah thats the same guy we're dealing with here.

How the fuck is he not in jail for that shit?

Dirty D 12-07-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn! (Post 16622804)
Why after 20 pages haven't any come in and said that? So far nearly every program owner or manager has said that they would allow this, including a few that have asked that I contact them specifically to get a PPC campaign going for them.

But again, this thread isn't about PPC, its about a program refusing to pay money that is owed to an affiliate.

There are ZERO paysite owners that want you to purchase their domain name on PPC.

ZERO...

Lots of examples of companies that don't allow it.
You know this.

Somehow I doubt Shap is asking you to send "Twistys" to Twisty.com regardless of what his employee offered.

So ZERO paysites are wanting you to do this.

ZERO...

If you do find a desperate paysite owner, I am sure we can find dozens more that know better... Like you do.

fmltube 12-07-2009 12:40 PM

Hard to believe that this does not come up as wire fraud of some type. Contact the authorities and file a report. After sniffing through his shit, maybe he will realize it would have been better just to pay you and update his TOS. Maybe they look at his records on that girl as well. LOL. Make it more problems for the scammer than its worth.

Dirty D 12-07-2009 12:45 PM

I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play :)
My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

Les Grossman 12-07-2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fmltube (Post 16622530)
Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663

Uh oh. Is that shit for real? If so, it is worthy of its own post, bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped.

Why is ANYONE doing business with him if that is true? If it's not true, why doesn't D have his attorney remove that shit or sue them? Serious accusations there.

marketsmart 12-07-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16623132)
I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play :)
My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

don't worry, this thread will still be on page 1 when you get back... :thumbsup

Les Grossman 12-07-2009 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16623132)
I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play :)
My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

You are not losing a second of sleep over this because you understand the losers in this business will still send you traffic, no matter what. GFY is such a small percent of webmasters.

Scum bags can never lose in this business. You can fuck over as many people as you want, it doesn't matter. This is adult. Everyone is so desperate for money, they will do anything to get it.

Penrod 12-07-2009 01:25 PM

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

Agent 488 12-07-2009 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16623132)
I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play :)
My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol



http://www.howigotrich.com/images/higr_square.gif

CDSmith 12-07-2009 01:34 PM

This thread had a hell of a weekend. Went from page 8 to page 23 and it isn't even a whoring contest.

Okay there's whoring, just no contest.

MoreMagic 12-07-2009 01:36 PM

Why not?

No financial risk for me, let some else handle it.
I make money any way. Let the guy that does this make also a little, PPC going wrong can cost a lot.
Traffic doesn't go to a other program

3 times win for me.




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Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16623091)
There are ZERO paysite owners that want you to purchase their domain name on PPC.

ZERO...

Lots of examples of companies that don't allow it.
You know this.

Somehow I doubt Shap is asking you to send "Twistys" to Twisty.com regardless of what his employee offered.

So ZERO paysites are wanting you to do this.

ZERO...

If you do find a desperate paysite owner, I am sure we can find dozens more that know better... Like you do.


Anal Hobbit 12-07-2009 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16616969)
I don't have an attitude my friend. I don't know who you are. Don't remember you from Adam. Don't know you and don't care. You're the one jumping in at me.

If you read my posts carefully I was asking Johnny if he was going to be at internext because I was curious what would happen when he and Dirty D came face to face. I have stated over and over that I LIKE Johnny. I have no desire to threaten him. Why would I?

I was kinda hoping that if he thought about he and Dirty D meeting at a show, he might cool down a second and maybe the two of them could work it out without the gfy mob stirring up the fight. You have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I want to hear more about what you did with Warren's Black Guy??
My daddy always told me black guys are dangerous.

Agent 488 12-07-2009 01:44 PM

what's this about robbie hitting shoehorn with his cane at the next show?

Anal Hobbit 12-07-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16623342)
what's this about robbie hitting shoehorn with his cane at the next show?

No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

fmltube 12-07-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit (Post 16623360)
No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

I refuse to believe it because he did not make the claim combined with how Claudia Marie is the single hottest solo girl on the net today.

PastorSinAlot 12-07-2009 01:54 PM

dam dirty d is fucking dirty, lol
pay the man

Agent 488 12-07-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit (Post 16623360)
No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

what did he do with the negro fellow after he stole him?

too many pages to read here ...

Fat Panda 12-07-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16622377)
Shoehorn or anyone else, will NEVER be paid for searches that ONLY contain the exact spelling of my own domain. Figure it out.

Quick question Dirty D. I really hope you answer this one. Let's say I own a blog promoting Crackwhore Confessions with the url CrackWhoresConfess.com I update 3 times weekly and work my ass off acquiring shitloads of backlinks for the search term "crackwhore confessions".

A couple months later my blog shows up 5th in the organic Google results for the term "crackwhore confessions" are you saying this traffic is invalid and you will not pay?

Please clear this up for me...

marketsmart 12-07-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC (Post 16623418)
Quick question Dirty D. I really hope you answer this one. Let's say I own a blog promoting Crackwhore Confessions with the url CrackWhoresConfess.com I update 3 times weekly and work my ass off acquiring shitloads of backlinks for the search term "crackwhore confessions".

A couple months later my blog shows up 5th in the organic Google results for the term "crackwhore confessions" are you saying this traffic is invalid and you will not pay?

Please clear this up for me...

what he is saying is that he would rather find excuses not to pay affiliates because since he got in trouble he now has to fly out of country to beat off in movie theaters abroad..

and that's a lot more expensive then when he was just beating off in the theater down the street from his house.. :thumbsup

will76 12-07-2009 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam (Post 16622565)
So, I'll address it now...

If you're not my affiliate, then how can I police it? But, that's the complete opposite of what's happened here. The fact is, if someone bids on my exact domain spelling to try and siphon traffic away from me and to their own site, do you really think it will work to their advantage?

You're right if I am not your affiliate you can't police it. So you can do 2 things:
1. stop what you can by telling your affiliates to not do it and leave the door wide open for your competitors.
2. or encourage/allow your affiliates to help you "police" it to at least make sure all of the traffic stays going to your site where you make something opposed to it going to a competitor where you make dick.

Well you could do a 3rd thing and TM it, but you still would have to police it, likely causing less people to mess with that keyword. But if your domain is generic you probably wont even have the chance to TM it.

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Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam (Post 16622565)
If someone types in "naughtyalysha", you have to agree that they are specifically looking for her website, or something that has to do with her website (review site, free content, etc.), right? So, what good would it do to have a link to a completely different site.?

Sure they are most likely looking for her in all cases. A model's name is a little more targeted than a keyword phrase like "crackwhore confessions". But never the less that really doesn't change anything. They might be looking for a milf blonde with big tits that is into fetish stuff saw your girl on a banner or something then went back later to look for her. They might not be in love with her, just a fan of the niche so any similar site would do. I doubt your model / site is the only one out there like that. If I showed them a similar girl /site chances are they would be fine with it. If they were that dead set on your model in the first place they probably wouldn't be on google typing in her name, they would have bookmarked the site or remembered the name. It just goes to show that somethign made them go back and search for her, to find free porn of her, to find her site, to find other models that look like her, could be serveral reasons. If i provided them with a similar looking model / site or one with even lower membership fees, more content etc.... I would bet I wouldn't have that bad of a conversion ratio.

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Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam (Post 16622565)
In my own example, do you really believe that DenniO.com is going to benefit from having a paid link to our site?

I'm not impressed with the look of the DenniO site, that is not what I would send to if I was targeting your keywords. But honestly does it make a difference to you if DenniO is making money or not, you are still loosing "your" traffic to them.

Deej 12-07-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16623443)
what he is saying is that he would rather find excuses not to pay affiliates because since he got in trouble he now has to fly out of country to beat off in movie theaters abroad..

and that's a lot more expensive then when he was just beating off in the theater down the street from his house.. :thumbsup

reguardless of DirtyD... i dont even care its him... but the questions comes up... When you own a porn business and live porn day in and day out... fucking bitches in hotel rooms and poking glory holes.... how the fuck do you go to a theater and spank off? Why not just in your own home in front of the many many pornos you have access to, not only your own but the plethora already out there...

Shoehorn! 12-07-2009 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16623132)
I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play :)
My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

You can afford to go out of the country for a couple of weeks but not pay your affiliates that you owe money to?

At least we know where your priorities are.

will76 12-07-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 16623459)
reguardless of DirtyD... i dont even care its him... but the questions comes up... When you own a porn business and live porn day in and day out... fucking bitches in hotel rooms and poking glory holes.... how the fuck do you go to a theater and spank off? Why not just in your own home in front of the many many pornos you have access to, not only your own but the plethora already out there...

going to a theater to spank it is old school guess.... i don't know maybe there is a fetish for jacking off in a room with other men ? I don't understand it personally. Never the less, what he does in his spare time as much as everyone here wants to trash the guy really is his business and not ours.

Now this on the other hand is very bad, if true:

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Originally Posted by fmltube (Post 16622530)
Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663

" So I met him at a dunkin donuts in Holiday and he took me to a hotel saying I had to audition if I wanted to be in porn movies because I'd make tons of money.

I told him I was only 17 and he said it was ok because I was married. So I went and had sex with him for like 10minutes for the "audition". A few days later he called me and said he had a job for me. But he told me I needed to bring a friends i.d so they had it for their records. "

Now that is something, if true. I would be very concerned about if you are promoting his sites. That has nothing to do with his personal life but his business and your business if it is true.

This thread is going to turn ugly. It's digging up a lot of dirt on dirty d some of which is personal, and I can see him retaliating. I think he has the money to pay he is just doing this because he is hard headed and there is no way he would eat crow now and look like he caved in, the more he is pushed the even more unlikely he will never pay. But I see him being pushed now to the point of fighting back with the latest stuff posted in this thread. Just my thoughts....

Warren 12-07-2009 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit (Post 16623360)
No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.



No he does not, borrow maybe but not steal, the only person in this thread that's stealing is D.

btw: you and Sagi left to your room in a hurry, how did the night end up for you guys, happy endings? :1orglaugh

fmltube 12-07-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn! (Post 16623463)
You can afford to go out of the country for a couple of weeks but not pay your affiliates that you owe money to?

At least we know where your priorities are.

C'mon dude, you know how the game works. When someone fucks up, its always everyone else's fault and that everyone has an agenda and is out to get them. Now I do not know if Dirty D is guilty of what that ******** article stated, but that would have been a red flag on that type of character and integrity.

I dont think he has any intention of paying you and that definitely sucks. I would have been more pissed as an affiliate if I was promoting his shit back when he had that Kelsie chick's content up. I'd still call the authorities and see about the fraud thing. Worst that can happen is they start poking in on him and find out some other shit.

That article looks like a year old, how come there was never some big shit storm over this?

Agent 488 12-07-2009 02:38 PM

the guy is a proud and out of the closet scumbag.

really don't understand how you guys think you can shame him.

he jerks off with gay seniors in porn theaters.

Axeman 12-07-2009 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoehorn! (Post 16623463)
You can afford to go out of the country for a couple of weeks but not pay your affiliates that you owe money to?

At least we know where your priorities are.

I got my doubts he is going anywhere, just good excuse to not respond for a few weeks and hope everyone forgets. Maybe where he is going he has to dress all in orange and have "roommates".

JFK 12-07-2009 02:42 PM

1150..........The thread's got legs :Graucho

Agent 488 12-07-2009 02:45 PM

more legs than jeffery dahlmer's freezer.

JFK 12-07-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16623595)
more legs than jeffery dahlmer's freezer.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Funny dat, in a sick kinda way:Oh crap

SmokeyTheBear 12-07-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16622793)
I back Dirty D on this one... anyone bidding on keywords that are type-in keywords (type it in the address bar and get the site) are stealing type-ins pure and simple.

if they type it in the address bar they would be at the site. google allows you to disallow bidding on trademark keywords. There are many many reasons why a site would WANT affiliates to bid on its own keywords, the most obvious being that they can sell the product better.

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16622793)
Any affiliate with any experience knows that programs don't allow it... I have been an affiliate for years.

this has been brought up many times on gfy before, the majority of programs DO allow it, i don't know of ANY programs that dont have it in their tos that dont allow it. Feel free to remind us of any though.

p.s. i have also been an affiliate. As long as there have been affiliates on the net.

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16622793)

It's not in our TOS but I have the right to terminate any affiliate at any time and am not obligated to pay for sales that weren't earned fairly.

i think thats more of a "gut feeling" than a lawfull argument :winkwink: pretty sure a judge would say " come again ? you had a contract he fulfilled the contract, pay the contract"

SmokeyTheBear 12-07-2009 02:52 PM

p.s. on a sidenote , search google for "adobe.com"

lagcam 12-07-2009 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fmltube (Post 16622530)
Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663


It seems that this may not have been the full story. Search the ynot forum for dirty d.

Shoehorn! 12-07-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman (Post 16623576)
I got my doubts he is going anywhere, just good excuse to not respond for a few weeks and hope everyone forgets.

That was my first thought as well actually.

Penrod 12-07-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16623132)
I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play :)
My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

That's what my friends Dad told him when he was little before he went to do a prison stint.

Va2k 12-07-2009 02:57 PM

Seems to stay away from anything nation-x does as well. One wonders.

SmokeyTheBear 12-07-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x
Any affiliate with any experience knows that programs don't allow it

bangbros allows it, but they are pretty small, imlive.com adultfriendfinder.com , but then again those are pretty small inexperienced programs


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