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Old 09-08-2011, 03:03 AM   #51
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I'd shoot it for you, but then you would get burned or something and sue me and because it was about Manwin sue them as well
easy.......

Manwin behind the JFK assassination.
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Manwin behind the JFK assassination.
an Epic story for sure
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I guess professionalism is too much to ask from one of the biggest companies in adult....looks like you fucked up, throw her 15k-20k and get it over with, next time have a first aid kit, or even better, a paramedic on site, it's not that expensive.
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Old 09-08-2011, 03:33 AM   #55
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an Epic story for sure
Damn it! How unlike me.

I can't find the GFY JFK assassination photochop that I did (and it friggin' won the 2005 GFY PhotoChop Contest run by Ramos when he was a mod).

Does anyone have/remember it?

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To keep it real, her herpes outbreaks probably look worse than that.

Just pay for her medical and laser treatment and be done with her. Consider this Shooting Porn 101, and you just paid for another class.
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Nathan,

Times like this you need man up and say "our mistake, we're sorry it happened and will put it right"

Instead all I see is you being a cunt.
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Times like this you need man up and say "our mistake, we're sorry it happened and will put it right"

Instead all I see is you being a cunt.
This is an ongoing discussion between a producer we hired a few times (he is not one of our exclusive ones) and the talent in question. The story posted here is a bit incomplete. When I heard about this first I gave instructions to just get it dealt with in a professional manner, which is being done.

ADG posting stupid half information on GFY is far from professional and I will not play along here for that.

AK, we are trying to put it right, but since she is not under contract with us and it was on a hired producer's set, it's not all that simple. Instead, she takes advice from idiots like ADG and starts plastering it all over the boards... very professional.
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AK, we are trying to put it right, but since she is not under contract with us and it was on a hired producer's set, it's not all that simple. Instead, she takes advice from idiots like ADG and starts plastering it all over the boards... very professional.
Nathan, regardless of my thoughts on your business model and so forth, I have respect for you, you're a smart guy and are kicking goals. It's just that to me your responses in the thread were a little less humble than I'd expect. If I were in your shoes I'd be taking the high road, regardless of where fault lies, I reckon it would make you look like the man if it was just swiftly dealt with and then you could come onto the forum and say "well we did x y and z and we're sorry for any hurt the model might have suffered". Then nobody could criticize.
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So if someone hires an independent content producer and something happens to a model that he is using to shoot the content, then the person who hired the content producer is responsible if something happens?
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You absolutely should.
There are plenty of porn fans interested in behind the scenes backstage content.
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So if someone hires an independent content producer from this board and something happens to a model that he is using to shoot my content, then I'm responsible if something happens?
Technically no, but when you have the resources of a company like Manwin, sometimes taking the high road is good PR.
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Robbie, growing pains...

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This thread gave me an idea though, I'll start having our directors film even the still shoot, so in case something happens again we can all watch a video together next time! Won't that be fun?!
I'm almost at that point myself...
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Damn... That shit sucks... While people are wondering why she didn't do this or that, one thing is certain, if it happened in California the producer has to give her medical attention for work related injuries. He should have had a medical kit on hand. He should have treated her with respect. By strong arming her into shooting the rest of the scene he basically fucked over MANWIN because the judge is going to give her special payment for the suffering that she CONTINUED to endure.

Yeah... I know there are two sides to every story... But this bitch has it on tape that it happened at the work site. I'd have taken her to a clinic. Of course I would have BEGGED and pleaded to let me dress it and complete the shoot and offered her MORE money in exchange. This would have acted as compensation for the pain and suffering. Medical clinic would have covered the infection liability. Then she could sue me for the laser treatments and we could settle on that...

Now you have to settle on the pain and suffering aspect... good luck!
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I think you should reexamine this Fabian, this sounds exactly like a workplace accident.
And here everyone is solidifying her claim that she was burned on your set, when having pics taken of her. That alone makes you liable, then it seems she was denied medical attention?
I'd look into installing some serious workplace safety measures before you end up in the inevitable civil case.

Anyway not trying to pick a fight, just the facts as they are laid out so far in this thread.
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Do people get skin grafts and laser removal for 2nd degree burns?

I never thought those type of burns were that bad...I always assumed they just got better over time or with neospoene or medderma.

Years ago I had 2nd degree buns all over my face, my whole chest and both arms so no, it's not bad enough to require laser and grafts especially not for something the size of her burn. I had a spray paint can explode in my face which is what caused the 2nd degree burns mentioned, but I have ZERO scars. She is going overboard with this.
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Nathan, regardless of my thoughts on your business model and so forth, I have respect for you, you're a smart guy and are kicking goals. It's just that to me your responses in the thread were a little less humble than I'd expect. If I were in your shoes I'd be taking the high road, regardless of where fault lies, I reckon it would make you look like the man if it was just swiftly dealt with and then you could come onto the forum and say "well we did x y and z and we're sorry for any hurt the model might have suffered". Then nobody could criticize.
Once things reach a certain stage, things can no longer be swiftly dealt with sadly...
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Technically no, but when you have the resources of a company like Manwin, sometimes taking the high road is good PR.
and also an open invitation for everyone to start extorting money from them at every chance they get.

I don't get why everyone is riding Nathan's butt on this. He wasn't on set and didn't make the call on anything that happened during the shoot. Why is this really any of his concern?
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ah she has already gotten a lawyer on it i guess.

sucks, learning period maybe.
if you enforce strict rules for future accidents, it could go better.
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Years ago I had 2nd degree buns all over my face, my whole chest and both arms so no, it's not bad enough to require laser and grafts especially not for something the size of her burn. I had a spray paint can explode in my face which is what caused the 2nd degree burns mentioned, but I have ZERO scars. She is going overboard with this.
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She wants more than her med bills paid? Considering she is the one who backed into a tail pipe, her med bills should be more than a fair payment to her. Anything else is gold digging.

Next time she's so close to a vehicle, maybe she'll be a little more careful where she sticks her limbs. Common sense goes a long way in life.
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Someone gets hurt then you take care of that first! Business is business, some days you pay to play and lose money. Good she get well soon, also that the producer learned a valuable lesson.

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brazzers treat their talent as cattle it seems. lots of complaints these days, i can only wonder what we don't hear.
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Neosporin is what I used which the doctor told me to use which would help a lot. It helped big time.
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lolz..kenny for real?

girl gets burned while you are shooting her

you threaten that if she doesn't finish the shoot she doesn't get paid

then you dont take her for medical treatment?

i suspect someone is going to get a decent chunk of money

they basically refused to help her after she was injured on their set.

if this is all wrong, then i take it back

maybe she is lying and they rushed her to a doctor to treat her burn.
maybe they made sure to pay the doctors bill when they took her there, it will be easy to see the receipts when they paid the doctor to help the young woman.

these are questions lawyers will ask in the out of court settlement.

i know its not personally Fabians fault...but he is the one holding the bag at the end of the day...time to crucify the producer.

personally i dont think the industry needs bad press like this.
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Technically no, but when you have the resources of a company like Manwin, sometimes taking the high road is good PR.
You had me at NO.

This is a Johnny Thrust issue. He was an independent contractor shooting in an unsafe working environment without the proper safety standards in place. If he didn't have insurance or come out of packet on this fuck him. If his employer (Manwin) decides to be nice and help him out great, if not its still his issue.

What burns my ass is that Johnny, I am sure is still shooting, fuck if this industry is not retarded. Weed out the assholes and you wont have issues. Johnny is a douche, every one on set that did not help her, we aiding and abetting a douche.

My guess is that the girl that was at Kelly's house, rubbing ointment on her bruise and feeling sorry for her as she recounted the entire story went to shoot with Johnny the following day. And he was/is probably still shooting for Manwin. As if there are not enough independent NON DOUCHE shooters to take his place.

On another note, anyone hear how the "Talent Town Hal"l meeting regarding a Talent Union go last night? Anyone herd any cats? Anyone know if Kelly was there?
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Im wondering where they will take the skin graft from that will not be seen on a nude model ? Her armpit maybe !
I can see her having laser treatments but a skin graft as well, I doubt it.

Having shot models for more than 40 years I know first hand they can come up with lies and bullshit effortlessly, I had one model who's excuse for a no show was her mother died. Next thing i hear from another producer was she brought her mother to a shoot ( non nude ) two weeks later " what a miracle "

At the end of the day its all about the money for most models, getting as much as possible as fast as possible and for the producers its about getting as much quality content as possible to keep their clients happy.

One thing producers can take away from this is that they should all keep bottled water and a decent first aid kit with them while shooting on location, sadly I doubt many do?
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.....I had one model who's excuse for a no show was her mother died. Next thing i hear from another producer was she brought her mother to a shoot ( non nude ) two weeks later " what a miracle "
Wow, that is a miracle indeed
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...since she is not under contract with us and it was on a hired producer's set, it's not all that simple. Instead, she takes advice from idiots like ADG and starts plastering it all over the boards... very professional.
Just to set the record straight Fabian, I have never spoken to, or otherwise communicated with, or even heard of Kelly Klass until I read the article about her accident at a Brazzer's set on LIB, minutes before I created this thread (remember, the post where I kiddingly suggested that you might claim "rogue director" - and you subsequently went ahead and did just that - Bingo!!!).

I didn't even know what Kelly's face looked like until right before this post (cute girl, I had only seen her burn photos until minutes ago).

Therefore, I'm not sure how you can construe my post to suggest that Kelly was following my advice by making her issue public (from what I read on LIB this issue has been going on for months, Kelly has been trying to settle out of court, and she had not been making the issue public by taking it to the boards until now, after word already got out):

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You fabricate lies and then have the audacity to lecture people about professionalism - please spare us all from Manwin ethics (or rather, lack thereof).

This accident happened back in June - it is still unsettled, even though the injured party indicated a willingness to try and settle this long ago. Sounds like you are doing a smash up job as Managing Partner and Head Spin-Controller Fabian Thylmann.

As much as you have made light of this situation, you better hope the case doesn't make it into court, because if you or Manwin are named, I have a feeling that the Plaintiff's attorney is going to have a field day with some of the flip and frankly quite callous comments that you've made, Mr Professional.

Your vanity, and thinking that people are jealous of you/Manwin, simply because they point out your/Manwin's callous disregard for ethics and the health and safety of people working for you/Manwin, may eventually be your downfall, so keep it up.

Well that, and the speed and skill with which you are alienating people who were at first perhaps on your side, and slightly in awe of Manwin in terms of it's sheer size, that is before learning how Manwin really got to where it is, and how it actually operates (as opposed to how you and your "partners" want them to think about Manwin).

Anyway, I think the discussion in this thread has been enlightening, and if nothing else it is a teachable moment inasmuch as hopefully producers/directors reading this will be more careful in the future, and possibly also come up with contingency plans for handling accidents such as this on their sets.

Anyone considering directing for Manwin should also now be aware that you may throw them under the bus (or van in this case), should anything happen while they are working on your behalf.

P.S. We do have a first aid kit at all of my shoots, and I am Red Cross trained in first aid (CPR, etc).

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And another BTW...Anyone start a thread about the girl that came close to OD'ing on set? Is she suing the Producer or the shooter? Is it the Producers fault, seeing that the shooter was the one that supplied her the drugs?

Oh wait that wasn't posted, guess the shooter is well liked on the boards.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:58 AM   #86
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This is a Johnny Thrust issue. He was an independent contractor shooting in an unsafe working environment without the proper safety standards in place. If he didn't have insurance or come out of packet on this fuck him. If his employer (Manwin) decides to be nice and help him out great, if not its still his issue.

What burns my ass is that Johnny, I am sure is still shooting, fuck if this industry is not retarded. Weed out the assholes and you wont have issues. Johnny is a douche, every one on set that did not help her, we aiding and abetting a douche.

My guess is that the girl that was at Kelly's house, rubbing ointment on her bruise and feeling sorry for her as she recounted the entire story went to shoot with Johnny the following day. And he was/is probably still shooting for Manwin. As if there are not enough independent NON DOUCHE shooters to take his place.
Here is the thing I don't understand. If the girl wanted real medical attention, why didn't she take herself or call 911 if it was that bad?

God didn't miracle her onto the set so I assume either she had a car or her suitcase pimp was near (did she call her agent?). If I thought I needed help and the only people with a car wouldn't help me, I'd help myself. All it takes is one phone call. And really, if it was that bad, she wouldn't have done the scene.
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shut down the paysites and stick with the tubes. seems like shooting content is just a big hassle.
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:15 AM   #88
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Im wondering where they will take the skin graft from that will not be seen on a nude model ? Her armpit maybe !
I can see her having laser treatments but a skin graft as well, I doubt it.
I think they can use pig skin in certain graft situations.
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just graft on some fresh whore skin and move on.
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....looks like you fucked up, throw her 15k-20k and get it over with,
Accounting for inflation, it may be more by now. I think Kelly Wells got like $20K when she got hurt on Evil Angel/Belladonna's set and that was years ago.
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lolz..kenny for real?

girl gets burned while you are shooting her

you threaten that if she doesn't finish the shoot she doesn't get paid

then you dont take her for medical treatment?

i suspect someone is going to get a decent chunk of money

they basically refused to help her after she was injured on their set.

if this is all wrong, then i take it back
Plus was she taken to the shoot and how far was it to a hospital?

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I'm sure your lawyers have clued you up on this. Just in case doesn't hurt to post it.

Other companies might read it as well.

Do you insist on your shooters having the appropriate insurance? I never saw it in the contract or was mine a one off?
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Years ago I had 2nd degree buns all over my face, my whole chest and both arms so no, it's not bad enough to require laser and grafts especially not for something the size of her burn. I had a spray paint can explode in my face which is what caused the 2nd degree burns mentioned, but I have ZERO scars. She is going overboard with this.
This is what I thought...It just doesn't make sense any medical professional would discuss skin grafts for a 2nd degree burn....and laser treatments for a burn that fresh (20 days+) seems also a little unreal.

Plus, the comment she makes asking for $ for the time she has missed work also seems dubious.

I smell something fishy.
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And another BTW...Anyone start a thread about the girl that came close to OD'ing on set? Is she suing the Producer or the shooter? Is it the Producers fault, seeing that the shooter was the one that supplied her the drugs?

Oh wait that wasn't posted, guess the shooter is well liked on the boards.
That's definitely not good news.

Didn't hear about this one. I guess being out of the loop by not living in LA is sometimes a good thing.

I'm not sure why there is this conspiracy of silence among some in the industry, or why people would cover-up for some of the most lame-brained stupidity imaginable. Will it take a performer dying from a drug overdose on a set for people to out bozos that honestly seem to have little business in this industry in the first place?.

As for the scenario that you outlined, I would venture to say that a case might be made that there was a chain of negligence which contributed to what happened, particularly if it can be proven that the hiring studio did not properly train/supervise the Director they hired to shoot their scene.

And it could be worse. For example, in a case like this one involving Manwin, they might look at whether the studio bothered to certify whether the Director that they hired had current liability insurance, permits, etc. If not, well, you can see where that might lead.

Likewise, if a CEO / Managing Partner is publicly cracking jokes about creating and watching blooper videos of people being injured on their porn sets, well, that kind of callous disregard for people employed for their production just might not play too well in front of a jury either, but as Fabian likes to tell people, what do I, or anyone, besides himself, know?

Hint: Plenty

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I'm available to shoot BTS "cover your ass" footage if needed... seriously. I've got nothing better going on at the moment lol.
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ADG,

you never seize to amaze me.. you have a gift for blowing things out of proportion and always claiming its not at all your goal to hurt me or manwin.. it's rather hilarious actually... Your lack of knowledge in this matter is very very big, considering all you know is her side of the story and you know NOTHING about what happened on set or in the last months... and I am not going to discuss it here since its useless to discuss things with people like you anyway...

All you will do is spin the info I give another way to make it sound bad by replying and leaving out some words here and there just in hope someone reads your bullshit and does not think like so many people do here...

Clearly you do not care about the truth or you would have contacted me like I have offered in the other thread. No, all you care about is getting your lies and stupidities spread and you actually think I care... but then all I do is reply to you for the fun of doing so...

You can not imagine how many people ask me why the fuck I even talk to people like you or Robbie or Paul.... and I keep telling them, it's a hobby, it's while I am bored and have nothing better to do... (everyone, watch for his comment how something better would be to do XYZ in my oh so fucked up unethical company).

You are not good at this game ADG, all you are good at is finding funny pictures to post in threads...

Anyway, your posts are getting repetitive and rather boring in nature lately. I might just stop replying to you...

BTW, our directors know that they can count on us to help them with everything... and the same goes with the performers we use. You will just not understand this since you know nothing about this case, as I have said before...
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I'm not sure why there is this conspiracy of silence among some in the industry, or why people would cover-up for some of the most lame-brained stupidity imaginable.
ADG
ADG, seriously you are being very hard on our business.

That part I just quoted of you can be applied to EVERY industry.

Not only EVERY industry...but some that are VERY important: Cops cover each other's asses when they make fatal mistakes, hospital staff cover each other's asses when they make fatal mistakes, etc.

People keeping quiet about some things isn't really anything out of the ordinary. And a girl burning her leg on a hot vehicle? Happens everyday in real life. Was there stupidity involved. Hell yes...SHE should have stopped and went to the drug store and got some neosporin and a bandage. Total cost: under $10

I've burned myself similarly probably a hundred times over my lifetime working on classic cars. I never needed a "skin graft" or "medical attention" or lost work because of it.

Obviously the shooter showed stupidity by not realizing what this whole thing could turn into. But honestly...most people don't think to themselves that somebody is going to try and make a money grab off of something like this.

Here's what I take from it: People shooting should always keep in mind that in this day and age people bring lawsuits every time they stub their toe. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

And for the rest of us...I know it's fun to keep heckling Manwin. But if the mainstream press and people like AHF sink their teeth into this it will hurt ALL of us.

The last thing I need is to be told by the govt. that I have to do all kind of ridiculous and expensive things (insurance, medical gear, etc.) just to pick up a camera and film two people having sex.
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You can not imagine how many people ask me why the fuck I even talk to people like you or Robbie or Paul
Fabian, please believe me...until you magically came up with all this money...you weren't even in my league. And as far as knowledge, skill, and talent....you never will be.
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Likewise, if a CEO / Managing Partner is publicly cracking jokes about creating and watching blooper videos of people being injured on their porn sets, well, that kind of callous disregard for people employed for their production just might not play too well in front of a jury either, but as Fabian likes to tell people, what do I, or anyone, besides himself, know?

Hint: Plenty

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How the FUCK can you twist my words so much, lol... you just write whatever the fuck you want... I never said anything like this. I said that maybe we should film everything just to have it documented in case something happens, and on the SIDE it would make for a great BTS footage we can add to all scenes.... Where the FUCK did I say that I want to post videos of people gettin hurt?!

The only place I said anything similar was regarding posting proof that some performer lies about what happened...

Seriously, get a life....
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Fabian, please believe me...until you magically came up with all this money...you weren't even in my league. And as far as knowledge, skill, and talent....you never will be.
Robbie, of course not, how could I _EVER_ be in your league... you are much too good for me, I am very very jealous!
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