Antibiotics Make Children Fat

[wehateporn]

A new animal study adds to growing evidence that multiple courses of commonly used antibiotics may have a significant impact on children's development. Female mice treated with two classes of widely used childhood antibiotics, including amoxicillin, gained more weight and developed larger bones than untreated mice. Both of the antibiotics also disrupted the gut microbiome, the trillions of microbes that inhabit the intestinal tract.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0630121215.htm

[epitome]

Imagine if you spent a quarter of the time you spend reading all of this shit that doesn't apply to you working.

You'd make enough money to save the world.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by epitome

Imagine if you spent a quarter of the time you spend reading all of this shit that doesn't apply to you working.

You'd make enough money to save the world.

I will need to create a health site at some point

[VSKevin]

Lol it's just "evidence".

Stop trying to justify reasons for why your kid is fat. It's because you feed them too much shit food 'Murica.

McRibs and Mountain Dew will make your kid fat.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by VSKevin

Lol it's just "evidence".

Stop trying to justify reasons for why your kid is fat. It's because you feed them too much shit food 'Murica.

McRibs and Mountain Dew will make your kid fat.

You think?

Nah cant be.....

[shake]

Fat weight gain is always a result of consuming more calories than burned. Some things can effect the ratio (maybe the gut microbiome will effect the ratio slightly), but it's still always an equation.

For an average size man, something like this:

If you eat nothing but 1,200 calories of donuts a day, you'll loose weight.

If you eat nothing but 4,000 calories of the healthiest food around, you'll gain weight.

So many studies and bullshit on things that might change those numbers ever so slightly.

It's easy: eat less or exercise more and loose weight.

[Rochard]

I think the problem has multiple causes.....

First off, we eat too much. Our proportions are just freaking huge. When I go to my favorite Italian restaurant the food on my plate is twice what I should eat in one sitting.

Second, we are spending less time "doing stuff" and more time watching TV and on computers. It's not that we are lazy; If we had non stop on demand TV entertainment in the 1980s I would have never stepped outside.

[aka123]

There are shitload of reasons why you shouldn't eat antibiotics like candy.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by shake

Fat weight gain is always a result of consuming more calories than burned. Some things can effect the ratio (maybe the gut microbiome will effect the ratio slightly), but it's still always an equation.

For an average size man, something like this:

If you eat nothing but 1,200 calories of donuts a day, you'll loose weight.

If you eat nothing but 4,000 calories of the healthiest food around, you'll gain weight.

So many studies and bullshit on things that might change those numbers ever so slightly.

It's easy: eat less or exercise more and loose weight.

There is far more to it then that. Diet Coke/Coke Zero causes weight gain due to artifical sweeteners causing insulin release.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

There is far more to it then that. Diet Coke/Coke Zero causes weight gain due to artifical sweeteners causing insulin release.

People who insist on DIET coke always make me laugh...

[VSKevin]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

People who insist on DIET coke always make me laugh...

Lol, an awful taste plus weight gain. Sounds like a lose/lose to me.

[DonJon69]

How can I make money off of this info in adult???

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by DonJon69

How can I make money off of this info in adult???

In the obesity niche, use antibiotics to fatten up the models

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

People who insist on DIET coke always make me laugh...

I drink it sometimes - Try to not eat any sugar for 2-3 weeks and then try drinking a regular coke It is unbearably sweet. What is funny is when people order 5000 calorie meal at mcdonalds and THEN order a diet coke.

Diet coke I admit tastes like shit, but coke zero once you get used to it is decent enough. It's a good place to shave off some calories, although not the healthiest thing in the world anyways.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by shake

Fat weight gain is always a result of consuming more calories than burned. Some things can effect the ratio (maybe the gut microbiome will effect the ratio slightly), but it's still always an equation.

For an average size man, something like this:

If you eat nothing but 1,200 calories of donuts a day, you'll loose weight.

If you eat nothing but 4,000 calories of the healthiest food around, you'll gain weight.

So many studies and bullshit on things that might change those numbers ever so slightly.

It's easy: eat less or exercise more and loose weight.

100 perfect false. You need to factor in carbs and sugar. If you are eating 1200 calories of donuts. How many grams of sugar is that? Want to lose weight? High protein, high fat and low carbs is how you will do it.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by VSKevin

Lol, an awful taste plus weight gain. Sounds like a lose/lose to me.

I have an in-depth rant on why you should never drink diet soda. I should write it out. LOL.

Long story short, you are gaining nothing and only annoyed because you aren't drinking what you really want. Instead of drinking 5 cans of something you don't want, drink 1 can of what you do want. You will be happier and so will your body.

Diet soda is a crock of shit.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

100 perfect false. You need to factor in carbs and sugar. If you are eating 1200 calories of donuts. How many grams of sugar is that? Want to lose weight? High protein, high fat and low carbs is how you will do it.

No, it was pretty much correct. The only real difference comes from processing your food (the amount of energy it takes). Just energy wise it really doesn't matter that do you eat just sugar or some healthy stuff. Though it takes more energy to process raw carrots than sugar, but otherwise, assuming your body can use what you eat.

[aka123]

To sum up this thread, especially as it was hijacked to be about USA:

USA folks eat too much and use too much antibiotics, and even the animals they eat use too much antibiotics.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by aka123

No, it was pretty much correct. The only real difference comes from processing your food (the amount of energy it takes). Just energy wise it really doesn't matter that do you eat just sugar or some healthy stuff. Though it takes more energy to process raw carrots than sugar, but otherwise, assuming your body can use what you eat.

Respectfully disagree with you. I have lost 32lbs and went from waist size 34 to 31. I don't watch my calorie intake but I do not eat sugar nor many carbs. As mentioned high protein, High fat, low carbs and zero sugar. That weight lose was without any excercise as well.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Respectfully disagree with you. I have lost 32lbs and went from waist size 34 to 31. I don't watch my calorie intake but I do not eat sugar nor many carbs. As mentioned high protein, High fat, low carbs and zero sugar. That weight lose was without any excercise as well.

There is not that much energy in meat, though in fat there is. Your experience doesn't apply; we don't know the energy amount you ate and the sample is anyways way too small (1 person).

Most likely (99,9999999999999999999999% surely) you just ate less energy than before.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by aka123

There is not that much energy in meat, though in fat there is. Your experience doesn't apply; we don't know the energy amount you ate and the sample is anyways way too small (1 person).

Eat 1,000 cal worth of carrots.

Eat 1,000 cal worth of Oreos.

Share the results.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...s%20the%20same

A calorie is a gross measurement, it tells you very little.

You will reply back with yet another nonsensical argument, like you usually do, so this will be my only reply.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Sly

Eat 1,000 cal worth of carrots.

Eat 1,000 cal worth of Oreos.

Share the results.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...s%20the%20same

A calorie is a gross measurement, it tells you very little.

You will reply back with yet another nonsensical argument, like you usually do, so this will be my only reply.

I already (pro-actively) replied to your post, I even mentioned carrots. Also, I didn't talk about calories.

[aka123]

Here: a very high carb diet, but I am quite sure you won't get fat. The gimmick is that your body can't process that (mostly), but this wonder diet surely proves something, but I don't know what (besides that your body can't process it).

[brandonstills]

biotic = of, relating to, or resulting from living things, especially in their ecological relations.

So antibiotic basically means anti life.

Of course it is going to have an adverse effect on living animals. It's only supposed to be used when there is a serious illness where you need to kill off foreign pathogens.

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by aka123

No, it was pretty much correct. The only real difference comes from processing your food (the amount of energy it takes). Just energy wise it really doesn't matter that do you eat just sugar or some healthy stuff. Though it takes more energy to process raw carrots than sugar, but otherwise, assuming your body can use what you eat.

That's not the whole equation though. If you only eat sugar you are going to spike your insulin. Which is a storage hormone, which means that excess energy goes straight to fat. You then have low blood sugar and get hungry again real soon. You also have low energy so you are less likely to exercise.

Contrast that to the same amount of calories with high fat and moderate protein. It is going to stay in your blood stream much longer, you are going to stay satiated longer so you aren't as tempted to eat more, and you have energy so you are more likely to exercise. Also, it isn't going to spike insulin so it's not going to fat.

[bronco67]

....and the internet makes you dumber.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by aka123

No, it was pretty much correct. The only real difference comes from processing your food (the amount of energy it takes). Just energy wise it really doesn't matter that do you eat just sugar or some healthy stuff. Though it takes more energy to process raw carrots than sugar, but otherwise, assuming your body can use what you eat.

This is incorrect, 1 calorie of carbohydrate isn't burnt the same a calorie of fat or protein nor does it give you the same energy profile.

If you have a diet high in carbohydrates your insulin levels will be spiking up and down like a yo-yo throughout the day.

Plus on the Satiety Index fats and protein satisfy our hunger for longer.

Ignorance and misinformation has caused the obesity epidemic, due to these high carb diets a lot of people eat they are insulin resistant and leptin resistant which makes it very difficult for these people to lose weight because

1) They're eating the wrong food &
2) They are constantly hungry due to leptin resistance which is the hormone that regulates your appetite.

So in summary Bryan G is absolutely correct

[Paul]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

That's not the whole equation though. If you only eat sugar you are going to spike your insulin. Which is a storage hormone, which means that excess energy goes straight to fat. You then have low blood sugar and get hungry again real soon. You also have low energy so you are less likely to exercise.

Contrast that to the same amount of calories with high fat and moderate protein. It is going to stay in your blood stream much longer, you are going to stay satiated longer so you aren't as tempted to eat more, and you have energy so you are more likely to exercise. Also, it isn't going to spike insulin so it's not going to fat.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Paul

This is incorrect, 1 calorie of carbohydrate isn't burnt the same a calorie of fat or protein nor does it give you the same energy profile.

If you have a diet high in carbohydrates your insulin levels will be spiking up and down like a yo-yo throughout the day.

Plus on the Satiety Index fats and protein satisfy our hunger for longer.

Ignorance and misinformation has caused the obesity epidemic, due to these high carb diets a lot of people eat they are insulin resistant and leptin resistant which makes it very difficult for these people to lose weight because

1) They're eating the wrong food &
2) They are constantly hungry due to leptin resistance which is the hormone that regulates your appetite.

So in summary Bryan G is absolutely correct

I didn't say anything about satisfying hunger, nor I didn't mention calories. And I didn't say it is the same thing to eat different kinds of food (see that wood log example).

Cooking changes how much energy you can get from the food, etc. There are shitload of variables, but if you make the things even a little bit comparable, the issue getting fat isn't that different. The issue was that you can get as fat by eating healthy food as you can get by eating unhealthy food, and that hasn't changed. You can make things more comparable for example, if you insist using calories; by calculating digestible calories. That how we eliminate the differences between wooden logs and beef and raw food vs cooked food.

If the goal was to eat as much as you can without getting fat, you know, real pig style eating, then of course; you can eat bigger volumes some foods than others. For example you can eat quite huge volumes of wooden logs. But throwing up after eating has also been invented, so..

[Paul]

I think I'm going to follow Sly's lead and exit this thread

Your nonsensical argument is not worth replying to.

High Fat/Protein diet = Easy to control weight
High Carb/Low Protein/Fat diet = Hard to control weight

Yes it really is that simple

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by shake

Fat weight gain is always a result of consuming more calories than burned. Some things can effect the ratio (maybe the gut microbiome will effect the ratio slightly), but it's still always an equation.

For an average size man, something like this:

If you eat nothing but 1,200 calories of donuts a day, you'll loose weight.

If you eat nothing but 4,000 calories of the healthiest food around, you'll gain weight.

So many studies and bullshit on things that might change those numbers ever so slightly.

It's easy: eat less or exercise more and loose weight.

exactly this.

there are 2 studies - one guy only ate chocolate bars, the other only McDonalds but both stayed below their daily calorie goals and both lost weight

of course carbs, proteins etc also play a role - for example for how long you feel full or whether you need energy for working out.

But basic line it always comes back to intake<usage = weight loss

(there are many fat vegetarians and vegans around)

[TheSquealer]

You can't gain fat unless you consume more calories than you burn. Children are fat precisely because of the stupidity such as what is expressed in his thread. Kids eat 100 times more sugar eat far more calories and are 100 times more sedentary than a century ago and everyone is baffled as to why they are fat. Still. Un fucking real. This is literally elementary school level health science.

Suggesting a "cause" like antibiotics is again why this fucking idiot needs to die in a car crash.

[romeo22]

Antibiotics are very bad for the body and tthey should be used in exrtime circumstances

[TheSquealer]

Finally, a qualified doctor and immunologist weighed in with an expert opinion.

[TheSquealer]

It takes a special kind of moron by the way to let their thinking ultimately take them to "all doctors in the world are part of the same conspiracy" supported by "only these fringe lunatics on hippy-fuckwit-paranoid-lunatic.com know the truth"

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by shake

Fat weight gain is always a result of consuming more calories than burned. Some things can effect the ratio (maybe the gut microbiome will effect the ratio slightly), but it's still always an equation.

For an average size man, something like this:

If you eat nothing but 1,200 calories of donuts a day, you'll loose weight.

If you eat nothing but 4,000 calories of the healthiest food around, you'll gain weight.

So many studies and bullshit on things that might change those numbers ever so slightly.

It's easy: eat less or exercise more and loose weight.

yeah all that bullshit is out the window when you are talking fat loss, which is the actual issue with health...

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

exactly this.

there are 2 studies - one guy only ate chocolate bars, the other only McDonalds but both stayed below their daily calorie goals and both lost weight

of course carbs, proteins etc also play a role - for example for how long you feel full or whether you need energy for working out.

But basic line it always comes back to intake<usage = weight loss

(there are many fat vegetarians and vegans around)

who cares if you lose weight if you have 2 feet of loose skin hanging from your body? burning proteins and muscle fibre for energy is worse than eating fast food...

[dillonaire]

Kids are fat today because they eat shit food and they sit in front of the computer all day or play on their ipad. They are lazy fucks.

When I grew up we never sat around the house and couldnt wait to go outside and play football or basketball or something like that.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Paul

I think I'm going to follow Sly's lead and exit this thread

Your nonsensical argument is not worth replying to.

High Fat/Protein diet = Easy to control weight
High Carb/Low Protein/Fat diet = Hard to control weight

Yes it really is that simple

Yes, there is even simpler method: do not eat more than your body consumes. If that is nonsensical to you, well.. be my guest.

The food goes usually through your mouth. Learn how to control opening and closing that particular hole and there you have perfect solution for weight issues.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

who cares if you lose weight if you have 2 feet of loose skin hanging from your body? burning proteins and muscle fibre for energy is worse than eating fast food...

but that was not the point here

of course working out is recommended, even if it's just walking

i only tried to stress the point that weight loss is only a physical process for a start

I personally lost 20 lbs in the last 3 months by maintaining a strict calorie goal 5-6 days a week - the other day(s) i might drink beers, eat a burger etc

i do not follow a specific diet - i just cut out most of the carbs - since they are also high calorie

and I write down every calorie, even the cream in my coffee

and I walk occasionally for 6-8 km - but not as often as I want to

[NaughtyEmails]

On a related note...

Anybody taking a probiotic? I just started taking one a couple days ago.

Feels like there's a war going on in my gut. Hopefully, it's doing something good.

[JA$ON]

weight loss is 80% about diet. I see SOOO many people that are overweight start going to the gym for 30 min a day and don't change there diet, and can't seem to figure out why they aren't loosing weight. lol

Swimming for 30 min straight burns off 1 small order of french fries worth of calories from McD's, lol. Healthy, low calorie diet = weight loos.

Obviously exercise has many health benefits (heart health, looking good, sleeping well, lower stress etc etc)

[aka123]

Originally Posted by NaughtyEmails

On a related note...

Anybody taking a probiotic? I just started taking one a couple days ago.

Feels like there's a war going on in my gut. Hopefully, it's doing something good.

I have taken those. Actually quite recently, but I stopped it about two weeks ago. The ones I recently ate had 7 different bacteria types. But anyways, at least for long term solution I have found bulk laxative or dark bread better (for getting bulk). Those bacterias are not going to do that much on their own if the environment is not suitable for those.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by JA$ON

weight loss is 80% about diet. I see SOOO many people that are overweight start going to the gym for 30 min a day and don't change there diet, and can't seem to figure out why they aren't loosing weight. lol

Swimming for 30 min straight burns off 1 small order of french fries worth of calories from McD's, lol. Healthy, low calorie diet = weight loos.

Obviously exercise has many health benefits (heart health, looking good, sleeping well, lower stress etc etc)

Actually muscle mass is good for weight control as it consumes significantly. Your overall energy need grows. But it of course means that you have to get muscle mass, not just to go for gym, as the idea is in the "passive" consumption, not from the exercise itself.

[marlboroack]

No wonder I'm 500 fucking pounds

[JA$ON]

Originally Posted by aka123

Actually muscle mass is good for weight control as it consumes significantly. Your overall energy need grows. But it of course means that you have to get muscle mass, not just to go for gym, as the idea is in the "passive" consumption, not from the exercise itself.

no no, your right. If you are in shape, yes...more muscle mass will help you go from 9% Body fat to 7%. I was talking more about the housewife who is 5"6', 200 lbs, eats like shit, then starts going to the gym and walks on the treadmill for 20 min, lol.

the more "average" overweight American

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by JA$ON

no no, your right. If you are in shape, yes...more muscle mass will help you go from 9% Body fat to 7%.

Thats absolutely not true. The fact that each pound of muscle requires another 50 cals a day to maintain, has nothing to do with the fact that appetite is relative to caloric needs and the types of foods you eat. The average person still has to eat very very well and do cardio (or something - and a lot of it) to go from 9% to 7%.

[aka123]

I have to ask that haven't you guys ever heard about being hungry? It is perfectly normal to be hungry. Try sometimes. There is no need to fulfill every need the instant it pops out. Nobody and I mean NOBODY can all the time eat exactly as much as he consumes. At times you eat more, at times less. That's why we even have the fat; as a reserve. But the idea of reserve is that you consume it sometimes, not just pile reserve after reserve. And burning fat usually means feeling hunger. For normal person it takes about two to four weeks to die into hunger, so there is no need to eat something the instant you feel hungry.