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Brian mike 03-28-2019 04:47 PM

Any one have an idea about those guys https://divatraffic.com/

Automatically receive traffic
Boost my cam
Automatically start and stop traffic
Max visitors in room limit
Free tokens each month
Bonus on token purchases

wonder if they are using this kind of service.

seriouslee 03-28-2019 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian mike (Post 22442475)
Any one have an idea about those guys divatraffic.com

Automatically receive traffic
Boost my cam
Automatically start and stop traffic
Max visitors in room limit
Free tokens each month
Bonus on token purchases

wonder if they are using this kind of service.

If what they state is correct, traffic from divatraffic would be guest users, on cb called anonymous viewers much like the anonymous viewers from embedded cb rooms on other websites. These do not change room position on chaturbate. Bots are registered but non human user accounts, these determine the position of the room and therefore the cb user traffic.
The bot nets we see now clearly belong to some studios, mainly Eastern European studios or are in control of them plus "private" bot nets used by single performers like mykinkydope.

Having read at ambercutie someone stated that Streamate used to have a quality problem too a while back and fixed it (don't know how though). Eastern European performers get a lower payout there, because of too many cases of fraud and user complaints for that region. Changing payout however could even be counterproductive on cb, just create more bot accounts then.

drexl 03-29-2019 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22442492)
If what they state is correct, traffic from divatraffic would be guest users, on cb called anonymous viewers much like the anonymous viewers from embedded cb rooms on other websites. These do not change room position on chaturbate. Bots are registered but non human user accounts, these determine the position of the room and therefore the cb user traffic.
The bot nets we see now clearly belong to some studios, mainly Eastern European studios or are in control of them plus "private" bot nets used by single performers like mykinkydope.

Having read at ambercutie someone stated that Streamate used to have a quality problem too a while back and fixed it (don't know how though). Eastern European performers get a lower payout there, because of too many cases of fraud and user complaints for that region. Changing payout however could even be counterproductive on cb, just create more bot accounts then.

Streamate requires a credit card for free registration.

Chaturbate developers can configure the captcha to be more secure: https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/settings

Ultimately, like other problems, it all boils down to: does chaturbate want to fix this. I can think of reasons like: what if it's someone's objectives to maintain a certain amount of sign ups, one's objectives can vary depending on management and role (account manager vs marketing vs engineer).
And what if those bots click the banners? then why would cb get id of them.

This is all speculation, that's all we have. I reported a similar issue to another sponsor with a more interactive support after I recognized a pattern in the usernames being created on my whitelabels (cleary bots) and they didn't care. (maybe it is a success figure for account managers: my affiliates create x registrations / month)

EDIT:
Ultimately I think only monitoring can work because the captcha can be bypassed by using humans to create accounts (it's easy to outsource mass workforce), by the way I just remembered cb has a PPL program, surely they have some sort of security in place to prevent this from happening. This is a huge concern too. Anyone?

Brian mike 03-29-2019 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian mike (Post 22442475)

https://i.postimg.cc/Vvv6pHNq/Untitled.jpg

Thats Funny BOTS traffic company getting AWARD

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

seriouslee 03-29-2019 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl (Post 22442681)
Ultimately, like other problems, it all boils down to: does chaturbate want to fix this. I can think of reasons like: what if it's someone's objectives to maintain a certain amount of sign ups, one's objectives can vary depending on management and role (account manager vs marketing vs engineer).
And what if those bots click the banners? then why would cb get id of them.

This is all speculation, that's all we have. I reported a similar issue to another sponsor with a more interactive support after I recognized a pattern in the usernames being created on my whitelabels (cleary bots) and they didn't care. (maybe it is a success figure for account managers: my affiliates create x registrations / month)

EDIT:
Ultimately I think only monitoring can work because the captcha can be bypassed by using humans to create accounts (it's easy to outsource mass workforce), by the way I just remembered cb has a PPL program, surely they have some sort of security in place to prevent this from happening. This is a huge concern too. Anyone?

I'm not sure if cb is even aware of it. We're mostly talking about the top top rooms and in even these there are things going on that clearly violate cb's TOS but only when someone of us reports it after several days something is done. What is happening in the rooms not in the front row but still on page 1 or 2 is just as wild. If these rooms would be well converting, this wouldn't even be a concern but they are NOT well converting at all.
I don't think cb has even one support person who opens rooms and checks them if cb's rules are violated or not. All they seem to do is point at their TOS and say (or think) "Our performers agreed to our TOS, so we will just assume they will not do anything that violates the TOS. No checks necessary." It really is like going on holiday, leave your door open and put a sign there: "I'm away for two weeks, don't rob me, because it's forbidden."
Links to manyvids are against cb's rules. Open siswet19's profile...(just one example of hundreds)

megafapper 03-29-2019 04:32 AM

Main problem of this situation is referral system, and that referral tokens can be used for changing position of the model.
If the fake user have to confirm own account, by providing documents or valid bank account, or something like that that the bot net owner can't create an unlimited amount of it. It can help. But any other thing - doesn't.

Maybe one thing can help also. Gathering statistical data and analyse it with some deep learning/neural networking software. Activity of any bots totally different from the real users, so bots will be seen with 99% accuracy. Yes it can be done on third side (webmaster as example), but modern fast server with a lot of memory is required and also continuous multithreading scraping of chaturbate is required also. I think doing this on webmaster side is stupid, because chaturbate has all resources for doing that and has all needed statistics.

megafapper 03-29-2019 05:00 AM

Today the most boted day during last month
All bot promoted rooms are up, and they are using more smart bots so finding the fake viewers almost impossible without software.
Its sad

moniq1000 03-29-2019 05:30 AM

I used divatraffic.com, they use fake traffic so Bots for CB unless do not help in ranking :1orglaugh

AllAboutCams 03-29-2019 09:15 AM

Mine is back to terrible

megafapper 03-29-2019 12:36 PM

I have a few conversations with the models by PMs and emails and now I'm sure in 90% that someone in the CB support is covering all these fake viewers boosted rooms.
Or maybe its a personal project of one CB employee.

And I don't know how to fight in this situation :(

Shoplifter 03-29-2019 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams (Post 22442802)
Mine is back to terrible

It feels as we have recently reached a tipping point in regards to the situation being out of control for affiliates. There is just no way to compete with or adapt to industrial scale manipulation and cheating, and that has certainly become reflected in revenues.

cbarnaby 03-29-2019 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian mike (Post 22442710)
https://i.postimg.cc/Vvv6pHNq/Untitled.jpg

Thats Funny BOTS traffic company getting AWARD

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Many awards events are as cheap as diamonds (yes, diamonds should be cheap, look it up on google). I know models who get awarded for 'BEST something...', when they are not even mediocre models. I do not know if they suck the right cock or if they have a good sponsor who pays good money to that event owner, but this is the reality. I don't trust those awards events at all, and neither should you, as their criteria of awarding models are very fishy.

cbarnaby 03-29-2019 02:17 PM

Chaturbate don't want to stop the theft, it is obvious. If they had wanted to, their actions would have reflected that. They let you boil here, and they don't care. What a lack of respect for their webmasters and what a despicable behavior!

moniq1000 03-29-2019 02:20 PM

another fake traffic generator extra for CB traffic-bots.com/chaturbate-top-bot/ but more expensive plan from $500 :laughing-:laughing- some scammer guys from Romania

megafapper 03-29-2019 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby (Post 22442916)
Chaturbate don't want to stop the theft, it is obvious. If they had wanted to, their actions would have reflected that. They let you boil here, and they don't care. What a lack of respect for their webmasters and what a despicable behavior!

I think owners of CB don't know about this problem. And if some CB support guy or someone similar decided to make money and create the own side project than he will care about this problem, but not to our side :) He will do everything that his project still has success.

seriouslee 03-29-2019 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megafapper (Post 22442920)
I think owners of CB don't know about this problem. And if some CB support guy or someone similar decided to make money and create the own side project than he will care about this problem, but not to our side :) He will do everything that his project still has success.

Not impossible but my general impression is that their support seems to be completely understaffed. They act but only after several mails, reminders, reminders of the reminders etc. And this quality problem that is definitely there now and we all feel didn't come over night, it was a slow but steady process.

seriouslee 03-30-2019 07:50 AM

Right now the best and only option for us is to send mails to cb support and/or cb persons you might know directly, make them aware of the bot caused quality problem on chaturbate and the banners asking to make new accounts with the models affiliate links.

So please everyone do this and send reminders over reminders.

megafapper 03-30-2019 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22443155)
Right now the best and only option for us is to send mails to cb support and/or cb persons you might know directly, make them aware of the bot caused quality problem on chaturbate and the banners asking to make new accounts with the models affiliate links.

So please everyone do this and send reminders over reminders.

I ask to do this everyone who affected by this problem, but usually after 2-3 reports everyone stop to do this. Because any hope can go away if cb support just don't answer.

drexl 03-30-2019 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22443155)
Right now the best and only option for us is to send mails to cb support and/or cb persons you might know directly, make them aware of the bot caused quality problem on chaturbate and the banners asking to make new accounts with the models affiliate links.

So please everyone do this and send reminders over reminders.

When is the next webmaster conference, maybe we can catch up with someone in person.

seriouslee 03-30-2019 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megafapper (Post 22443158)
I ask to do this everyone who affected by this problem, but usually after 2-3 reports everyone stop to do this. Because any hope can go away if cb support just don't answer.

Send reminders and reminders and reminders. We all have a common interest, a good quality chaturbate site and right now chaturbate has been taken over and is getting robbed by a bunch of studios and performers who do their thing at the expense of us AND even chaturbate too.

PornGrowsOnTrees 03-30-2019 08:29 PM

Hey, Does anyone know the exact desktop css codes for the regular main whitelabel so you can add a top banner and footer banners like cb main has? I tried adding my css banner code and it keeps coming back with all sorts of errors no matter what code I use.

moniq1000 03-30-2019 09:44 PM

she was offline over 2 hours, but CB still keep on the first page with ower 6K bots traffic

https://imgur.com/a/gLGgGWW

seriouslee 03-31-2019 03:05 AM

I can see the dilemma chaturbate is in. They let this happen, these bot boosted low quality rooms are now "popular", because they've been doing it for quite long now, very likely unnoticed by cb. They might realize now they have been robbed and hijacked by studios with many performers and "successful" single performers. For users "their" girls are holy beings, they will be mad at cb if cb bans all these cheaters and definitely NOT at the girls or studios.

However not doing anything will not make cb's situation better, it will only get worse. Yesterday a faceless non nude "legs only" model made it to to the front row. There's no limit anymore, the size of the bot army decides room placement now.

megafapper 03-31-2019 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moniq1000 (Post 22443477)
she was offline over 2 hours, but CB still keep on the first page with ower 6K bots traffic

https://i.imgur.com/kpAffKr.png

The main problem is not the guest viewers, but the registered viewers (about 300 as I see on the screenshot)
This model use the same bot net with the same behavior (rotating advertising video for a long time, etc.) that heatherbby9 realtoxxxmaria and others.

megafapper 03-31-2019 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22443545)
I can see the dilemma chaturbate is in. They let this happen, these bot boosted low quality rooms are now "popular", because they've been doing it for quite long now, very likely unnoticed by cb. They might realize now they have been robbed and hijacked by studios with many performers and "successful" single performers. For users "their" girls are holy beings, they will be mad at cb if cb bans all these cheaters and definitely NOT at the girls or studios.

No! Only ban can help, but ban with ability to re-register with new name with lost of all followers. And only for few TOP botters with total publicity in the chaturbate blog, twitter etc.
1.5 year ago only bans of top botters helped to stop plague. A few rooms that used bots a lot also had a big amount of followers but they were banned. But that time they were from Eastern Europe. Right now top cheaters from the Western Europe (mainly from the Spain). So if CB doesn't ban now than it looks like some kind of discrimination of models from EE.

I want to point that I talk only about top botted rooms. It must be example for others, like low quality EE rooms.

megafapper 03-31-2019 04:00 AM

chaturbate.com/mila_/ and chaturbate.com/livecleo/
Still didn't change banner position :(
Writing to the support is USELESS!
Some models are untouchable!

megafapper 03-31-2019 07:47 AM

Today the most weirdest day during last days.
Empty siswet room more than 90% of time and is sticked at the first place.
https://i.imgur.com/YZEAIfr.png

Siswet does a good shows, but empty room does not convert at all
I thing all bots clean own activity on this room. So bots are still there.

megafapper 03-31-2019 08:23 AM

More than one hour empty room on the first place....
https://i.imgur.com/s5zF6zx.png

Situation is totally stupid...

Holy Damage 03-31-2019 08:39 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Mz9bQf9.jpg
:upsidedow

megafapper 03-31-2019 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Damage (Post 22443689)
:upsidedow

Right now is everything ok, but more than 1 hour was an empty room on the first place!
Empty room == zero convertion

megafapper 03-31-2019 08:53 AM

Today is a flash mob of empty rooms on the first places :1orglaugh
https://i.imgur.com/SqCPEBg.png

megafapper 03-31-2019 09:06 AM

and again...
https://i.imgur.com/AuAkwbc.png

megafapper 03-31-2019 09:10 AM

And the same room broadcasted from other models:
https://i.imgur.com/SZCGJFk.png https://i.imgur.com/dcElMys.png

And these numbers of viewers are more real!

Brian mike 03-31-2019 10:40 AM

Very hard to make conversion / sale when top room are Empty no model online :helpme

drexl 03-31-2019 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megafapper (Post 22443572)
chaturbate.com/mila_/ and chaturbate.com/livecleo/
Still didn't change banner position :(
Writing to the support is USELESS!
Some models are untouchable!

I like that mila mentioned clara_chan in her bio as her best friend but when you click on "clara_chan" it links to mila's affiliate link, not clara's page :)

Mila is using the same strategy as clara with the username pattern but at least she states:

Quote:

if you don't have an account

AllAboutCams 04-01-2019 12:43 AM

$0 today bloody magic

drexl 04-01-2019 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams (Post 22444013)
$0 today bloody magic

what about the number of sign ups (conversion)? In my opinion it is a better indicator of performance. Unless you are using PPL ($1 per signup), in which case $ correlates to signups.

megafapper 04-01-2019 06:10 AM

CB will not do anything, because all cheater-rooms were online last days
As example spanishcouple_ is up and again on the first place, usually zero registrations when rooms like that on the first place :(

megafapper 04-01-2019 06:35 AM

I can prophesy the first places for the next few hours
emilybrowm and spanishcouple_ will be a 2 first places for 3-4 hours

megafapper 04-01-2019 08:35 AM

I can work as a prophet!
https://i.imgur.com/I7k3Gkd.png

the first two place.
the first - an average model with hanging microtits
the second - a fully dressed model

These rooms will not convert at all :(


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