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![]() Steve, honestly, if she's been so very well paid and you're giving her $2k/mo severance, then let her go whine somewhere else. All good things must come to an end, and while she made a great deal of money for you, it's not like your entire system is based on her. It wouldn't be Lightspeed Cash, it'd be Tawnee Stone's cash. Both you and she have done well. Let her go. If she can't find her own way, she'll be back. Much love. |
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Every time I read one of this guys posts I have to sit back and ask myself where in the hell he came up with his screen name. It must be an oxymoron. |
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the camera likes certain people, theyre photogetic. thats not talent. some people know how to work/pose for a camera. thats talent. strike a pose ....
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![]() I think Tawnee needs to learn a lesson though. You treated her well, Steve. Kick her to the curb and move in the next Tawnee. She doesn't realize that no program "In the know" would want to cross the path of Lightspeed. |
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bwahahah
a fucking severence package for doing porn... man, my sides hurt from laughing so hard. Is this still GFY? Shit, now every fucking model is going to want a "severence package". What's next? health insurance? 401k? vacation time? retirement? Send her my way. I've got a "package" for her. This is too funny |
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I want to do right by her, but how much should I feel obliged now?
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Somethings you guys need to understand, especially those of you who say pay her more, etc... She signed a contract (I assume), from the sounds of the contract it was basically a "Non compete" contract. Steve offered to pay her 2K a month for a year basically as a gift, she is doing no work for them, but the FREE money is also tied to the non compete. This doesn't mean she can't go get a job in another field. She can still pay the bills, so don't believe the I'm not making enough crap, she can go work at McDonalds. Also, she crys that she wanted to come out of "this" with more then just the 25K, well whos fault is that? You made 130K last year, how much of that did you save ? did you expect to make royalties for the rest of your life ? ![]() BOTTOM LINE, She signed the contract and took the money she should HONOR the freaking contract.
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Steve, let her go. Let her find out the hard way that in the world outside of porn, she's got a lot of learning to do. You've done right by her so much that now she's fully expecting it. Enough of anything is enough. |
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I'm sure i'll be surprised with whatever company ends up signing on with her. Sure they'll make money. Sure some affiliates will promote the new site. But the company that does it ... will end up alienating themselves with a large group of affiliates and loyal friends of lightspeed / lightspeed media.
like FTVCash, if contacted steve, we won't touch it!! I don't think your severance offer was unreasonable. I don't know that there is a right answer. If you feel like her working on a new venture will definately cost you more than the severance package then it's something you need to keep entertaining. In that case, it behooves you to keep her sidelined. The longer you do the more she ages, and as drinking hard mentions maybe she backs on the pounds and loses her appeal. if it makes sense to do ... make her an offfer that covers her cost of living (bills and spending money). But even if you make her the best severance offer you can... there is still a better than average chance she's still going to turn it down. She's got dollar signs in her eyes. always has from the sound of things. and it sounds like she's got the "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" bug that has been going around =) |
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The answer to that question.. Before when u did not have that much money and u *marketed* her she started making millions a year.. If it's really the *marketing* that makes it.. then EVERY SINGLE girl you have would be making the same or more money that Tawny's site does.. because u have MORE marketing dollars.. So, if she is not on your top 10 sites, then yes IT WAS YOUR MARKETING that made it .. if she is still the #1 site then it WAS HER LOOKS or w/e that made it... So you would not be where u are at with out her and who knows how much more or less successful she would have been with someone else.. |
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wait. did she quit or did you terminate her? if either were the case in washington you could challenge her unemployment benefit request. sounds like you made her an offer and she said it wasn't enough money... so she is choosing to be unemployed... which would disqualify her for unemployment benefits. I don't know if that's the same in AZ. but hell steve... you're being too nice of a guy if you think your rates should go up to help this girl out at this point ... when she's threatening to go work for any competitor that takes her |
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It will be interesting to see who will pick her up
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and in 2 years she will be doing hardcore for half of what you paid her last year, mark my words!
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If you want to do right by her, then that is a personal thing. Business wise, I do not think you have any further obligation to her financially. Everyone knows your reputation and you have definately gone above and beyond with your models. Cutting her off now will have no ill effects on your reputation. Damn unemployment. For the rest of us, keep your pimp hand strong! I don't want to have to start kicking out severance pay as an industry standard ![]() |
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Bye bye Tawnee.
In regard to the trademark, it's great that you registered your intellectual property.
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My humble opinion.
Steve, you've done what you could in good faith for Tawnee. You created her. Yes, she was a cute teen, but that's all she was. You took her natural qualities and created the internet sensation, the market, and the money from her and for her and yourself which is what business is all about. She is not 18 any more. There would come a time when she would have to go anyway, because she wouldn't be able to be in the teen niche. She's 22 now and you have loads of content to keep the site running indefinitely. You have the name and the market cornered as far as her images are concerned. Will other companies pick her up? Definitely. Many won't because she's not 18 any more and some won't want bad blood between you and them. Will she be able to make the same bank she does now? I doubt it. The right place at the right time usually doesn't occur more than once when it comes to a phenomenon like the one you create around her. The timing was right, she had the right look. Repeating that is nearly impossible. There are many other cute 18 year old brunettes every day putting up sites. You have been searching for another Tawnee for a long time now and maybe you have her in your new as yet unrevealed entourage of girls. What many are missing here is that millions in gross is not the same as net profit. You have employees to pay, your promo costs, bandwidth costs, other models to pay, affiliates to pay, and finally yourself. That stuff costs millions for a company like yours. She made over $100k last year for modeling. That has to be the easiest job in the world because it's not something you have to do every day. She's been making this kind of money for 4 years now. She has no debt, a house, life is good. Most of us were making minimum wage working our asses off when we were her age. She skipped all that and doesn't realize that she's actually very fortunate. Maybe you can offer her a little more and/or ask her to talk it over with her parents who may be able to see where you're coming from better provided that you let them know how things run. I realize this thread may be one-sided and this post is going on what you've posted. At the same time, you've been pretty transparent with friends as well as strangers (like us on GFY) as to how you conduct business, so I have little reason to doubt what you've written here. Sooner or later you would have had to let her go. I guess maybe it will be sooner than later. |
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After further information about this matter I am indifferent.
TOUGH FUCKING CALL! VERY tough call. My only input is Who has the Ferrari and who has the Toyota. And neither should settle for a Lexus.
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This is clearly a point of measuring worth of what is not construed as a partnership but was from the beginning.
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hmm, I'm too inexperienced to give a comment.
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Oh and one more thing. Steve, don't rack your brain asking yourself whether you or her is more responsible for her success. It's both but more you than her.
You could say her boyfriend is responsible, because he the one that introduced you to her. Does he therefore deserve to the profits of the site? Of coarse not, yet he was an instrumental to all of it. It's more than getting somebody introduced to somebody else or having a hot model with potential. It's seeing that potential realized. Until the wheels of the photographs, marketing, and ultimately risk/investment begin turning everything else means nothing. She could have been a failure and you would have lost on your investment in her sites. It turns out she became a success. Nobody could forsee that with certainty. |
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Kick her to the curb and take Jordan out for Slurpees!
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Listen to Jeff....I'm sure he knows what he's talking about
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Steve, i've admired you since the beginning I got in this industry, I respect you even more now. You have true charactor trying to help someone out when they have been a total "Diva" wanabee, and now is trying to screw you basically.
Fuck the non-appreciative bitch and dump her. You , I , and everyone else in the industry knows you don't need her and will find someone next that will blow the market to shreds , once again. I wish you great luck with this delima! |
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Very smart move Steve, with this post, she has no where to go now but back to You, bitting the hand that fed her is gonna be her reality check
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tell her the side notes you posted above and add a "fuck off" at the bottom of your reply to her...
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i cant make any judgement without hearing Tawnees response... even a criminal gets to address the court before sentencing...
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Maybe I'm missing something here, she was making more than $10k a month...left...got closing package of $2k a month and thinks she is going to do better with another web company
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when it comes to money the best friends become strangers
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