AK doesn't have his finger on the nuke button. He provides billing companies with links that are questionable. The billing companies conduct their own independent investigations and determine if the links are infringing or not. AK doesn't make that call.

You need to take your issue up with whatever billing company dropped you, because they are the ones who did their own investigation and found your links to be infringing and your site in violation of their terms.

You know what guys. It's no wonder piracy is running rife. You point the finger left right and centre but you fail to actually do anything about it.

The whole reason why piracy is 'bad' is because it is supposed to mean 'less revenue' for the copyright holders. But the actions of SFL have likely affected business for legitimate users of CarrotPay and FileShoppe. Essentially those actions have the same effect as what pirates do!

Meanwhile, pirate sites are still free, and I suspect because you lot are sitting on your hands and not doing anything about it.

FileShoppe pro actively deletes files, and we have come here to cooperate with you people. But you snub your noses at us. If this is how you treat file hosts, it's no wonder they don't cooperate with you lot.

And as for the links provided by members here, they are ALL inactive now, and most were inactive yesterday. Just because the people who posted them were too stupid, or too lazy to check that the files were not actually available, isn't really an excuse for spreading lies.

I'm sure if a campaign were to be organized, attacking SFL, there would be many a pirate willin to participate and make outrageous baseless claims, posting links and other manufactured 'evidence' to show that SFL is actually a criminal organization engaged in all manor of criminal activity.

We have not had our gateway dropped. Transactions are still possible.

[QUOTE=FShoppe;19175109]You too must be a retarded child pornographer. The point of that post was to show that ANYONE, including an idiot like you, can change the links to show the filename you want.

It always ends up like this. When we sent the DMCA's guys like you are always friendly. After sending a few thousands you get the creeps. After that you start throwing names and come up with funny accusations. 9 out of 10 times shortly after that the concerning domain is offered for sale :upsidedow:upsidedow

So then what is all this hoopla about?

We haven't received ANY take down requests as of yet.

Name calling is reciprocal. That means BOTH ways.

If we expect to grow and be used by legitimate users, we can't very well have a reputation for supporting the sharing of copyright material now can we!

These accusations just make it more likely we will be used by the WRONG kind of people.

On a side note, love the word hoopla! Not sure why :P

FileShoppe, are you willing to allow Copy Control access to your back end and audit your operation for piracy ? If not your offering cooperation is meaningless.

2651 Infractions noted!

So, Paypal having a AUP means nothing? Users of Paypal generate infractions and are thus terminated. How is this guy's AUP any different (assuming he follows his AUP).

The above happens all the time. Many guys are bought and sold with the implication you should not be using it to kill people...then again that is what we have a law for.

What a person does with their own computer is their own business as long as it is within the law of their location.

You seem to be confused (no big surprise there). Let me explain to you how things work. Any AUP is only as enforceable as the law allows it to be. For example, someone can sell me a gun and tell me that I can go kill someone if I want but that doen't make it legal or right to do. It's the same thing with an AUP. It can define what I am allowed to do and not do with their service but still needs to fall under the constraints of the law.

If by copy control, you mean YOU? Then no. What's their website? Who are they run by? Are they a recognized organization? Are they sanctioned by any authorities? Will happily give access to organized groups.

But if you are an unrecognised, unregulated, unauthorized independent group, god no! As far as we know, you could be working for the likes of RapidShare or MediaFire looking to squash the competition. If you have COMPLETE unrestricted access to our database, you can fabricate or modify entries to distort the truth.

Just the answer I was expecting. Thank you.

Indeed plenty of confusion in this thread.

And you are absolutely right that the law trumps the AUP. And if one were to violate an AUP but remain within the bounds of the law, the only recourse for the service provider would be to terminate them. They have no legal basis to pursue anything further. At least not that I am aware of.

Or better look at Oron :1orglaugh

So basically you want to have unrestricted access to 3rd parties private information while being completely unregulated?

So nothing to stop you from say, collecting and selling personal information from registered up loaders.

Nothing to stop you from deleting/adding/modifying the database records at your own leisure and will?

Sounds very unreasonable if you ask me.

I could offer read only access, but then that probably wouldn't be good enough for you.

And who are you? Why should we hand over the information to do? What will you do with it?

You've been repeatedly asked to show us who those legitimate users of fileshoppe exactly are. Just point us to either companies or individuals who are using fileshoppe for legitimate purposes, show us their websites, and describe what they sell.

So far we've only seen one page in Chinese which didn't help much because none of us speaks Chinese.

So they're your competition?

Not all of them were terminated, far from it unfortunately. This trench war on piracy will drag on for awhile. Even with Paypal it's not all over yet - although the amount of the illegal file lockers accepting Paypal for payments decreased by 90-95% in the recent couple of months, there's still quite a few of them that need to be taken care of in regard to their Paypal accounts. Not to mention other billing companies.

Some recent terminations that happened this week:

http://www.filenuke.com/
http://www.rockdizfile.com/
http://www.rapidfileshare.net/
http://www.filespipo.com/
http://www.doneshare.com/
http://www.sharelike.us/

http://www.filerose.com/ (again)
http://www.filefaster.com/ (again)

I have already done so.

Here are a few I am aware of.

http://hosthongkong.net - Hosting services. They still accept Paypal so not much of a problem.

http://vectorious.net - They sell vector graphics. They are now no longer able to sell one-off vectors and now can only sell subscriptions.

http://Kaltura.com - Some kind of video application system that has been working with Carrot to accept one-off payments on streaming videos.

http://carrot.org - Payment gateway, now no longer able to accept funding through Paypal.

https://apps.facebook.com/carrotbid/ - Like an online game type auction. You can bid on items and the lowest unique bid wins. All proceeds are for charity.

All hosting is a form of competition since they overlap in services. If we are talking about weather or not they offer the services we provide, no they are not since no one offers the service we provide.

No you didn't. I was asking about fileshoppe, not carrotpay.

I guess none :)

That's what I suspected :)

Well if that will be of any consolation to you, carrotpay is not the only payment provider that has been terminated by Paypal this week for processing payments for file hosts who like fileshoppe have none in the way of legitimate users base. AK will make an announcement later.

I think you misunderstood. But that's fine I'm happy to clear this up for you.

Since most of our SELLING users were with us before Paypal was offered by CarrotPay, those buyers are still topping up through 99Bill and Bank Transfer. And any existing funds that were previously topped up when Paypal was accepted is still around.

So in terms of users who are no longer able to sell, I don't know of any specifically. Weather or not there are affected users because of the Paypal development, we shall see. But so far it's business as usual.

The problem we see is that currently we are essentially limited to HK and China.

Do you still offer child pornography at your sites as SFL does on theirs?

That's what I suspected :P you sick person. Wouldn't it be awful if people knew the truth?

My understanding was that you do not have legitimate users at fileshoppe. If I misunderstood and you in fact do have legit users at fileshoppe, show us who they are.

FShoppe, must give credit to you, for having the courage to write in this thread while most or all of others on "your side" did not. You can start a savefilelockers.com site + campaign to question and appeal what stopfilelockers it is doing.

I'm glad you're making sense now. That list is a Goldmine. A lot of lawyers would pay big money for it.

I really dont think our database has much useful information.

We would be happy to make available our complete list of files uploaded and their respective urls. Over 99% of files uploaded are logged onto the database.

But our user details are confidential. And I think that is reasonable.

FileShoppe, why are you complaining about Stop File Lockers if it has had no impact on you ?

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/l...J2EE.part1.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/Q...J2EE.part2.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/0...J2EE.part3.rar

Hundreds of dollars worth of commercial training packages for just 25 cents a file. I bet the rights holders love this.

You don't store email addresses and payment details?

If your site comes crashing down, it's a way to make money. Nothing lasts forever.

Sorry, add money is tempoarily unavailable.

It looks like you can't take money.

And you know this is copyright how? How are we supposed to know it is copyright? Take your word for it?

We store E-Mail addresses and merchant IDs.

And why would it come crashing down? We are still waiting for it to go up :)

And why would that be? Because Paypal top up is no longer available? We can still take payment via the micro payment system and our users in China can still top up through 99Bill.

Because you are a liar? I don't care about file lockers, particularly ones that make their money through subscriptions service giving access to copyright material.

We arn't going to start a campaign to support illegal file sharing. That being said, I wonder how many innocent websites and other hosts have been affected by this campaign. Clearly you have no regard for them. And why should you care about all the collateral damage? It doesn't affect you right?

Perhaps I am here to fight for the little guy? Perhaps I'm speaking up for those without a voice? Who have no say? You fight for the big and rich right? So maybe the small and poor need some representation too?

Just a thought.

I think FShoppe has adequately shown his unwillingness to play ball.

How so? Because we wont let you tamper with our database? If you want to view our files, that's fine with us.

But what about all the illegal child porn hosted on your site? Links provided earlier, conveniently ignored!

We just posted links to commercial training material hosted by you.

We have a rule regarding unfounded allegations of the nature you have engaged in to detract from your own criminality I suggest you read them or you'll face a ban.

If it is copyrighted, it will be removed. But as I said, you can't just send us links without an explanation. Some things are obvious like TV shows and movies. This is not obvious.

That's funny. It doesn't stop you from making baseless allegations. You post a bunch of inactive links, many of which can be easily modified to manipulate the file name to show whatever you like in order to support your claims?

I provided a link to your site offering downloads of child pornography. You have refused to address it. My claims are no less unfounded than yours.

Proof or ban.

You've posted a site search string, not proof of a terrible accusation you should be banned.

he's just making a ridiculous point out of frustration- don't ban

The point I am trying to make is that what appears on your page, on YOUR website can be directly manipulated by what is entered in the URL.

If you want to claim we are hosting certain material, and use the file name as evidence, you need only to do the same thing. You made a big point earlier over how we make money over pirated material. Where is your proof of that? Should you too be banned?

You made a point that you saw the file name and therefore was evidence enough condoning sharing copyright material. But as I have already demonstrated earlier, you can make the file name appear to be almost anything you want to suite your needs. It doesn't mean the file is, or has ever been hosted.

And you have failed to address the point where you directly benefit from copyright infringer as you accept monetary support on your own site as a result of other people's actions.

You live in a bit of a fantasy world my friend. You have no evidence to show we host masses of copyright material. You boast you can find thousands of active links. I doubt you can find thousands, much less ACTIVE ones.

We don't make money from sharing files. You say we do. Prove it.

We don't promote/reward sharing files. You say we do. Prove it!

The only evidence you have provided were inactive dead links. But you think we should do more to make it obvious a file cannot be downloaded? What is more obvious than NOT BEING ABLE TO DOWNLOAD THE FILE?

You say we are able to monetize the inactive download links. We can't! So prove that we do if you can.

You know jack-all. You have no idea how many users we have, how many files are stored, how many downloads we get, or how much money we turn over. You like to lie and say you know a lot, and so on and so forth, but the reality is, you know jack all. And I, my friend, am just a guy who has far too much time on his hands, and am here to help set the record straight.

You should be banned for all your baseless accusations. For posting links that show that I have been telling the truth all along but claiming it supports your ridiculous BS. You should be sued by your donors for promising to take action to take down copyright material, when all you really do is just make noise and achieve nothing but hurt innocent businesses.

Despite my many appeals for those opposed to piracy to REPORT piracy, NO ONE has actually done anything to get those resolved. We, on the other hand have actively removed content we know is infringing. That's more, I suspect, than you've ever managed to take down! So perhaps you should tell all your supporters you're a lieing theiveing no good pirate piggy backer making money from donations while doing NOTHING to resolve the issue!

Someone went to the Markham school of WALL OF TEXT.

What is the URL?

DWB - If you were downloading now, I would be able to find that download. Me thinks this yet another desperate fib to make me look bad.