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DWB 08-21-2012 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19137090)

One really must question the motives of the naysayers.

Haters and upload monkeys. But you know you are hitting them somewhere or they would have no reason to openly oppose what you are doing, especially if they didn't have a dog in the fight, as they all claim.

AdultKing 08-21-2012 05:43 AM

Rapidshare wants a crackdown on linking sites.

http://torrentfreak.com/rapidshare-w...-sites-120820/

Qbert 08-21-2012 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 19136980)
How about you two go get a room?
.

Maybe they can share a double with Paul and Damian, that schtick is getting real old too. :helpme

notjoe 08-21-2012 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19137079)
This alone shows you have absolutely ZERO clue what you are talking about.

Take a specific niche like SE Asian porn, search the biggest tubes and you'll find sponsor uploaded videos, a few amateur clips and no more than a handful pirated videos. Now go on porn forums you'll find EVERY single video from EVERY site you can think of.

Tubes have a lot of generic traffic, the real collectors, the buyers, are downloading from File Lockers.

That just goes to show you that you don't know what you're taking about. Take down a big tube or two and I bet you see a jump in sales. How do I know this, well, if you remember not too long ago when an ISP got hacked and xvideos went offline people noticed a jump in sales as soon as it happened. AK has been working on this for over a month and not a single person has come back and been able to prove an increase in sales attributed to the file lockers losing their processing.

notjoe 08-21-2012 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19137074)
if the shoe fits. :2 cents:

that's how all the biggest trolls work their multiple fake nicks.

Where is the proof that this is a fake nick?

davethedope 08-21-2012 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19137090)
I find it amusing that people who feel like we're pissing into the wind, or who don't really care what happens to file lockers or who think file lockers aren't a problem are so motivated as to post into this thread. That's a rhetorical question for anyone thinking about continuing this ridiculous debate.

File Lockers are without a doubt a major piracy problem and the Google transparency reports confirm as much. In the past few months 1039 rights holders have made takedown requests for almost 1 million URLs on Filestube indexed by Google.

The scale of the problem with file lockers is huge and it's been largely unmitigated until this year. We don't profess to have a perfect solution but we are doing our best to mitigate it.

One really must question the motives of the naysayers.

Naysayers come with the territory when one takes up a leadership role- which is what they see you as having done.

That being said, you shouldn't respond to their reactions with hostility or in a dismissive manner.

If their issues are legitimate to them then they're legitimate issues.

Calling names (upload monkey) questioning their motives etc. is begging to have your operation come under the same scrutinity- presumptions, childishness and so on.

I mean, if you're leading a campaign which doesn't provide verifiable pecuniary advantages to your supporters, they're going to wonder what you're actually doing.

Slappin Fish 08-21-2012 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19137183)
That just goes to show you that you don't know what you're taking about. Take down a big tube or two and I bet you see a jump in sales. How do I know this, well, if you remember not too long ago when an ISP got hacked and xvideos went offline people noticed a jump in sales as soon as it happened. AK has been working on this for over a month and not a single person has come back and been able to prove an increase in sales attributed to the file lockers losing their processing.

Take them down then champ.

If what AK is doing is useless why do you give a fuck, leave him the file lockers and you can take on the tubes big guy.

harpreetxi 08-21-2012 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpreetxi (Post 19135651)
yes i saw , thanks mate. i've paypal email of 2-3 similar site , but they are not placing it on there web page to sell premium account , they are paying there affiliates with that account , can they get banned ?

Please reply to this AK

AdultKing 08-21-2012 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpreetxi (Post 19137221)
Please reply to this AK

Unless you can somehow link the Paypal email to a breach of Paypal's AUP or TOS I'm not sure we can do anything.

harpreetxi 08-21-2012 07:06 AM

http://fileswer.com/premium.html

http://www.wjunction.com/101-affiliate-programs - atleast 5000 file hostings and 100+ new post intro thread everyday.

AdultKing 08-21-2012 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpreetxi (Post 19137265)
http://fileswer.com/premium.html

http://www.wjunction.com/101-affiliate-programs - atleast 5000 file hostings and 100+ new post intro thread everyday.

Fileswer.com was reported to Paypal a little while ago, we will follow it up again.

We know about wjunction and several other forums which we review regularly.

We send reports to Paypal regularly about these sites, some keep coming back with Paypal accounts they have had on ice, it's very much a game of whack a mole.

[Labret] 08-21-2012 07:26 AM

https://flippa.com/2805519-file-host...th-15k-traffic

uploaders crying.

http://www.wjunction.com/95-file-hos...3-1000-a-9.htm

AdultKing 08-21-2012 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EriktheRabbit (Post 19129474)

Just following up on this.

We reported this site to Paxum on the 17th. The site appears to still accept Paxum.

We've sent a follow up to Paxum today.

DWB 08-21-2012 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19137212)
Take them down then champ.

If what AK is doing is useless why do you give a fuck, leave him the file lockers and you can take on the tubes big guy.

He gives a fuck because AK is hitting him in is wallet. That much is obvious. No one would post as much as him in such a negative manner unless he was at the receiving end of an ass kicking. An honest person would have no problem with what AK is doing.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's a duck. :2 cents:

Nautilus 08-21-2012 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19137150)
Rapidshare wants a crackdown on linking sites.

http://torrentfreak.com/rapidshare-w...-sites-120820/

"Innovation in the cloud" lol. Is Gigeongallery their speechwriter now?

topnotch, standup guy 08-21-2012 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19137186)
Where is the proof that this is a fake nick?

In the words that appear to the right of it.

Any more questions?


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krylon 08-21-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19136974)
FileDownloads.org have been terminated by Paypal.

Sweet. Thanks for your hard work AK & CopyControl! I think my stats went up by a 1/2 a sale today.

DWB 08-21-2012 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19137630)
Sweet. Thanks for your hard work AK & CopyControl! I think my stats went up by a 1/2 a sale today.

Did you find a new porn forum to post your links on or something?

Gozarian 08-21-2012 02:02 PM

Amazing how many who profess to have no dog in this hunt seem so butt hurt.

BTW DWB nice new avatar ;)

BAKO 08-21-2012 02:08 PM

Good job AK :)

BlackAndBlue 08-21-2012 02:16 PM

Well said
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19136737)

This is a long term job. Stopping the money flow will severely restrict piracy. Simply because they will not be able to pay for servers and staff. In 60 days Adultking and his crew have done more to forge this route than any others have done. Legislation is slow and cumbersome, suing uploaders/downloaders hasn't been perfected. Stopping the money flow is the best way.

I suspect many here will lose some income or the ability to enjoy for free some of the items they can enjoy today. Hence their annoyance and attempts to side track this work. Of course this is all my thoughts and I make no claims to them being right.

Just in case one of them wants me banned for thinking this.

People don't tend to be against things that they personally benefit from. ;) In this case, a win for the producers of content is a lose for those that profit/benefit from piracy. It's rather simple to put the nay sayers into the camp of "profiting/benefiting" from piracy. Of course, there are always those few that just post crap for sig whoring and to be a pain in the ass. LOL

19teenporn 08-21-2012 04:58 PM

Bump for AK and Copy Control killing even more and more filelockers...

krylon 08-21-2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 19138369)
Bump for AK and Copy Control killing even more and more filelockers...

on a serious note though. Sorry, all kidding aside.

How many filelockers have been killed exactly? I can't seem to find 1? Let me know pls.
kthxbye.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

AdultKing 08-21-2012 11:06 PM

Sites like RapidShare herald the fact they provide content removal tools to rights holders, however this seems to shift the responsibility of policing content on a site.

If there were 10,000 file lockers with 10,000 content removal tools then the onerous task of policing content would be unmanageable.

File Lockers must be held accountable for the content they host, not shift the responsibility to rights holders who's content is being stolen.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/...-sharing-sites

Rapidshare could very quickly minimise harm to rights holders by simply deleting content which is shared on warez and piracy forums. Remove the incentive to share illegal content.

notjoe 08-21-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19138703)
Sites like RapidShare herald the fact they provide content removal tools to rights holders, however this seems to shift the responsibility of policing content on a site.

If there were 10,000 file lockers with 10,000 content removal tools then the onerous task of policing content would be unmanageable.

File Lockers must be held accountable for the content they host, not shift the responsibility to rights holders who's content is being stolen.

Are you suggesting that file lockers should manually inspect each and every single file uploaded? If I was using an online backup service such as a file locker the last thing I would want is people going through my personal files.

Maybe we should let the government inspect every single aspect of our lives on a day to day basis making sure we do not break the law. It's about time governments be held responsible for the actions of their population. If a person murders someone then their government is murdering someone to. This insanity needs to stop!

AdultKing 08-21-2012 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19138708)
Are you suggesting that file lockers should manually inspect each and every single file uploaded? If I was using an online backup service such as a file locker the last thing I would want is people going through my personal files.

File Lockers don't need to manually inspect every file to find violations. You don't think a file name like "Young_Girl_Hight_School_16_Year_Old.part11.ra r" can be filtered against their appearance on illegal porn forums as this file was derived ?

It's actually not hard for File Lockers to automate the removal of a large amount of illegal and infringing files with a bit of creativity and terms and conditions which protect legitimate use of their service against illegitimate use.

However if they did that then they might not be so profitable. File Lockers aren't making their money from you uploading a midi file you share with a few friends, they're making money from thousands of people joining to download copyright or illegal content.

krylon 08-21-2012 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19138708)
Are you suggesting that file lockers should manually inspect each and every single file uploaded? If I was using an online backup service such as a file locker the last thing I would want is people going through my personal files.

Maybe we should let the government inspect every single aspect of our lives on a day to day basis making sure we do not break the law. It's about time governments be held responsible for the actions of their population. If a person murders someone then their government is murdering someone to. This insanity needs to stop!

LOL, he wants the filehost to inspect files, and then not have DMCA safe harbor by doing so.
wizard.:1orglaugh

AdultKing 08-21-2012 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19138724)
LOL, he wants the filehost to inspect files, and then not have DMCA safe harbor by doing so.
wizard.:1orglaugh

Most file lockers, in fact pretty much all of them, don't have DMCA safe harbour because the DMCA is a US Law and these sites reside outside of US jurisdiction. Furthermore, if you read my post above, you would understand that filtering and automating the process need not be difficult.

File Lockers who accept Paypal and have gone through Paypal verification as a file locker already allow inspection of their files, so nothing would change if they did do it manually.

19teenporn 08-22-2012 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19138485)
on a serious note though. Sorry, all kidding aside.

How many filelockers have been killed exactly? I can't seem to find 1? Let me know pls.
kthxbye.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Blah blah blah...
Hate, hate, hate...

DWB 08-22-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19138485)
on a serious note though. Sorry, all kidding aside.

How many filelockers have been killed exactly? I can't seem to find 1? Let me know pls.
kthxbye.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

On a serious note, while it is nice if they do, a file locker doesn't have to go offline. You simply only need to disrupt their affiliate program. When the monkeys are not getting paid, they stop uploading illegal material to that locker and move on to the next one. Like true monkeys, they swing vine to vine. But if you cut the vines off, one at a time, you are making progress.

If you want to see the damage done, go read the upload monkey forums. They are freaking out and not getting paid. No need to take the site offline.

It is honestly mind boggling that you naysayers don't have the mental capacity to understand this. Makes me wonder how you make it through the day without causing serious bodily harm to yourself.

Nautilus 08-22-2012 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19138703)
Sites like RapidShare herald the fact they provide content removal tools to rights holders, however this seems to shift the responsibility of policing content on a site.

If there were 10,000 file lockers with 10,000 content removal tools then the onerous task of policing content would be unmanageable.

File Lockers must be held accountable for the content they host, not shift the responsibility to rights holders who's content is being stolen.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/...-sharing-sites

Rapidshare could very quickly minimise harm to rights holders by simply deleting content which is shared on warez and piracy forums. Remove the incentive to share illegal content.

As if they need US gov to block those linking sites through htaccess.

Previosly they boasted that they developed some very advanced bot which is so intelligent it's next to AI, and that this bot is constantly searching for pirates and finds and blocks them all. Well, now that this super smart AI bot ovbiously failed, they're looking for help of the US gov to crack down on linking sites.

Meanwhile any person who isn't US gov and doesn't have ultrasmart AI bots can simply Google "rapidshare warez" and find dozens of sites with the absurd amount of rapidshare links pointing to illegal content. Why can't Rapidshare do they same, and block at least some the most obvious offenders such as warez-bb through htaccess? They also have their referrer stats so they probably wouldn't even need Google to find those warez sites, at least several dozens of the biggest offenders, and block them. And also remove all files that were linked from those sites, ban posters and remove everything else that they uploaded. That move alone would cut piracy at Rapidshare by at least half, and will send a strong signal to all illegal uploaders not to use Rapidshare anymore. It can be done easily, in about a week or less. No US gov help or AI bots necessary. Any person from their in-house staff can handle that. Why do we keep hearing "innovation in the cloud" nonsense instead of real action? Well isn't that obvious :pimp

Pirates and their shit talks are beyond ridiculous.

DWB 08-22-2012 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 19138910)
Pirates and their shit talks are beyond ridiculous.

:2 cents:

notjoe 08-22-2012 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19138977)
:2 cents:

Give him a bro-hug

Alex911 08-22-2012 05:05 AM

Not totally sure this is relevant to this thread but firstload.com which is advertising on http://www.filestube.com (a filelocker search engine) - with keywords that refer to stolen copyrighted content - is still using CCBILL as a payment processor !!! Just take a look on filestube.com' first 3 sponsored links and you'll see that firstload is charging access to Usenet with CCBILL (with the same keywords used by pirates to promote their links on Filelockers).

https://www.firstload.com/signup/ccbill_cc/index.php

Here's an interesting exchange we had with them:

Quote:

FROM:18CloseUpCash.com

DMCA/EUCD NOTICE of COPYRIGHT/TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT
[...]
I am forwarding the following/attached notice of copyright infringement.
The infringing materials must be removed from your servers of the site
mentioned above within 24 hours, or under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)/(EUCD), I will forward this
complaint with full legal action against the owners/managers of content
hosted as the domain holder is ignoring any requests and re uploads
copyright content which is expressly protected under the DMCA 1998.
In order to preclude any difficulties, I urge you to take positive action
and remove any material from your site and with immediate effect cease
selling/using any products produced by 18CloseUp Cash that you do not
hold the copyright or a valid license for.
-
18CloseUp Cash
http://www.18closeupcash.com
Quote:

FROM: Christoph Leitgeb via RT
Dear Bart ,

In regard to your request we would like to state our general position on the issue.

Firstload is solely an access provider for Usenet. Usenet is a world-wide electronic network
similar to the world wide web. This network contains various categories, so called 'newsgroups'.

The content of usenet is neither administered by firstload nor can firstload add or delete
data at will.

The software 'Lumac' was developed and made available by firstload exclusively for end-use
customers of firstload.
The sole purpose of the newsreader 'Lumac' is browsing usenet for files, comparable to the
operating mode of an internet search engine. Similar to the operating mode of a search engine
you are free to search for anything you like by inputting whatever you can think of. The search
engine itself does not have any influence whatsoever on the availability of files on the web.
It merely displays the detection and location of the respective search item.

In your particular case this means the following:

The only way for us to comply with your request is to browse usenet for the objectionable
content ourselves and block search results for said content in our client 'Lumac' if necessary.
This course of action ensures that the search for the files in question no longer yields any
results in 'Lumac'.

On principle the actual availability of content in usenet needs to be verified first.

Please keep in mind that a link reaching us from a third-party reseller may sometimes result in
a 'false positive' i.e. data which does not actually exist on usenet and thus cannot be found
on the Firstload usenet index appears to be available on usenet by virtue of aforementioned
link. These links are automatically generated by said third-party resellers.
In this case not even blocking the search results is possible as the content is actually NOT
available on usenet.


Compliance with existing law is the duty of end users as expressly stated in our terms of use
under article 4 'obligations of the customer', in particular 4.3. and 4.4..

In the present case we confirm in accordance with our explanation above that we have thoroughly
searched usenet for the content in question and could not find said content in Usenet.


We hereby declare explicitly that Firstload as access provider does not have any influence
whatsoever on form, content or size of Usenet and hence cannot be held accountable for the
alleged existence of data/files on usenet.

In conclusion, we may also point out that the content of usenet is subject to change every day
and objectionable content may no longer exist on Usenet by the time your complaint reaches us.
Firstload as access provider has no hand in the composition of the content of usenet and,
accordingly, does not accept any responsibility whatsoever for the use thereof.

We hope to have been of service to you.

Yours faithfully,
Firstload Support
Quote:

FROM: 18CloseUpCash.com
Dear [email protected],

As you did not take immediate actions to remove the links infringing our copyrights, let me be totally clear: I understand how Usenet works and that the files that are available on this network may have been uploaded by third party/newsgroups. And I agree with you on one thing: you are not accountable for the files that are available on Usenet. Nevertheless, let me remind you that it is in your interest to respond to notices of alleged copyright infringement that comply with applicable international intellectual property law (including, in the United States, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act) and that if you receive such a notice for infringing links subject to DMCA takedown notices that are indexed by your search engine LUMAC, you should disable access to that content and remove those links immediately.

In addition, you are sponsoring http://www.filestube.com with keywords that are explicitly referring to our copyrighted work (18closeup com, 18 close up, 18closeup jenna, 18closeup anna, emoteenpussy, emoteenpussy com, etc.), and which makes you the direct beneficiary of the sales generated from the indexation of your search engine by advertising this stolen content/copyrighted content on filestube.com as if it was your own. In other words, you are charging access to Usenet with your CCBILL client account (through your website firstload.com) to profit from this misleading advertisement. Let me remind you that this practice could lead to charges that include racketeering, conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, and money laundering.

As you are referring to your search engine LUMAC, please note that other search engines like Filestube.com or Google.com comply with the law and if you refuse to do so, we will take all appropriate actions, including sending an immediate DMCA report to your hosting company to enforce that rule or remove the offending website itself.

If you fail to comply, we will be sending a copy of this email to [email protected] to inform them that you are sponsoring their website with stolen content/copyrighted content. If you don't remove those sponsored ads to our copyrighted work immediately, they will, but they may have to renounce to your sponsoring as a whole for technical reasons.

We will also send a copy of this email to [email protected] to inform them that your account 943922 is being used to advertise stolen content/copyrighted content and that you are using their platform to charge access to Usenet for your members that allegedly infringe our copyrights. If you don't remove those sponsored ads to our copyrighted work immediately, they'll probably have to close your client account and report you to the concerned authorities.

It is in the interest of both our companies to find an amicable solution.

Please remove all links, files, folders, photos, videos & articles with the name http://www.18closeup.com, 18closeup.com, 18closeup, 18 closeup, 18closeup videos, 18closeup torrent, 18closeup torrents, 18closeup e-books, 18closeup Kindle eBook, 18closeup films, 18cl0seUp, 18-closeup, [18closeup], 18closeup [SiteRip], 18closeup screens, 18closeup DvdRip, 18closeup SiteRip, 18closeup complete site-rip, 18closeup passwords, 18closeup password, 18closeup.com [full site rip] etc.

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Best regards,
18closeup.com

AdultKing 08-22-2012 05:29 AM

@Alex911

There's no doubting that Usenet is a cess pool of piracy but given the nature of Usenet it's problematic from the point of view of preventing piracy. Certainly Usenet is way outside of the scope of the Stop File Lockers project.

Have you spoken with CCBill about their stance on the issue ?

Alex911 08-22-2012 05:44 AM

Quote:

There's no doubting that Usenet is a cess pool of piracy but given the nature of Usenet it's problematic from the point of view of preventing piracy. Certainly Usenet is way outside of the scope of the Stop File Lockers project.
Yes but firstload.com is still advertising stolen content on a Filelocker search engine! And using ccbill for processing...

Quote:

Have you spoken with CCBill about their stance on the issue ?
Yes but with the general support, not with the fraud dpt (and it was before CCBILL decided to reject filelockers accounts).

DWB 08-22-2012 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19138988)
Give him a bro-hug

Why give a bro-hug when a bro-bump is better? It keeps the thread alive and in the faces of guys who can't stand it but don't have enough self control to not post repeatedly in the thread.

notjoe 08-22-2012 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19139024)
@Alex911

There's no doubting that Usenet is a cess pool of piracy but given the nature of Usenet it's problematic from the point of view of preventing piracy. Certainly Usenet is way outside of the scope of the Stop File Lockers project.

Have you spoken with CCBill about their stance on the issue ?


Actually, no its not. Clearly you do not know how shit works because if you did you'd realize that usenet providers can drop news group.

notjoe 08-22-2012 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19139042)
Why give a bro-hug when a bro-bump is better? It keeps the thread alive and in the faces of guys who can't stand it but don't have enough self control to not post repeatedly in the thread.

Bro bump to give you a bro butt hurt? You know you like the butt hurt.

AdultKing 08-22-2012 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19139081)
Actually, no its not. Clearly you do not know how shit works because if you did you'd realize that usenet providers can drop news group.

You assume way too much, so eager are you to make snide comments that you jump to baseless conclusions.

Firstly, my first exposure to Usenet was in the 80's when I used to manage a UUCP connected news server. Secondly you can drop any number of groups and people will just shift to alternative ones. Thirdly just because one Usenet provider drops a group doesn't guarantee others will and due to the rapid propagation of Usenet posts it's almost impossible to shut down piracy network wide.

So it is you, Notjoe, who has no clue how things work.


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