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PornGrowsOnTrees 08-15-2020 05:16 PM

How is everyone doing now? I just got a US chargeback for the first time I ever seen. Not looking good for me right now.

AmeliaG 08-15-2020 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drexl (Post 22713894)
This is not specific to cb though the thing with them is there is content owned by them as well as content owned by the models.
Cam sponsors must step in and help affiliates when the content reported is theirs (ex: cb embed cams)

With regards to chaturbate, you can use live transient content coming from the promotools (embed cams (iframes), whitelabels, and any fields coming from the API baring in mind the images coming from it are allowed for the duration of the live show).

It is not allowed to use other data from their bio: about me, photos etc... Definitely not allowed to post snapshots of shows.

This last bit is where both broadcasters and webmasters get confused sometimes since the model's biography contain both material owned by chaturbate (and allowed to webmasters) such as "name", "username", "room subject" or "age" and material owned by the model (her menu, pics, ..).

So in theory it is not complicated, but in practice you have to count in some erroneous interpretations: some models don't know that webmasters are authorized to create pages using chaturbate promotools or they type their name in google and file in bulk against all URLs they find mixing perfectly valid promotions with piracy sites (recording of pvt shows).

There are also models that perform on several cam sites, that causes further confusion to some. For example, a model that perform on a site that allows webmasters to download a profile picture! Then the model who is also on cb sees the photo and believes this is a dmca violation when in fact the picture is owned by the original cam site (model agreement) that authorize the webmaster to use it (terms).


Either your cam sponsor will help you with the erroneous dmca or you have to find an alternative. One solution (rather tedious) would be to enable an opt-in functionality on your site, so that model would proactively opt-in to be promoted. Even then ...


Another thing that would be cool is a tool for cb models to upload content they agree to be used by webmasters. That'd be a feature request for the cb folks.


With some of the services exploiting models by having them pay subscription fees for what seem like careless mass automation bot DMCA notices, that would be an insane amount of work for cam sponsors to address.

If what you are doing is legal, why don't you file counter DMCA notices?

drexl 08-16-2020 02:11 AM

Hey Amelia,

I didn't think anyone was reading me on this forum lol

You make good points, here are my 2c:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 22718112)
that would be an insane amount of work for cam sponsors to address.

Only a handful of services run the mass automation you mentioned. So the number is not a factor.

My opinion is that if sponsors would step in they could actively help in ordering what seems to be a big mess. It would cool things down and help everyone.

Aside from that, a promotool is an extension to the cam sponsor, it is a piece of them placed on someone else's website. Why wouldn't they step in to protect what is theirs.


Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 22718112)
If what you are doing is legal, why don't you file counter DMCA notices?

It will work in most cases but the keyword here is "most". Consider the following:

- a counter notice is an escalation of a legal process. Essentially, it is the last step before law suit. Who wants to get closer to a potential 6 months law suit to figure out that they were right. All this for an iframe or a picture that came from an API.

- attorneys don't work for good guys, they work for guys with money so the argument that you can do what you want when you feel you are right is not practical.

- who can claim to be an expert, what if there's a glitch
(I am not giving examples here, but I can think of obvious possible ones)

- what if you need cb to vouch for you in a somewhat stressful situation, you are going to "send an email to support"?

:2 cents:

cc311 08-17-2020 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DumpManager (Post 22710752)
Twitter is pretty garbage for traffic and a shit service in general. I've noticed I've been shadowbanned recently even though I have never broken a single rule.

233K followers and been losing about 700 followers a day for weeks. Far less impressions per tweet as well compared to months in the past.

I've been specifically tracking and watching traffic from Twitter and not only is there not even a single penny spent, there isn't even a single signup out of 1000's and 1000's of people.

Ok it confirms what I see. I have ~30k followers and struggling to get signups.
On the other hand, with less followers on tumblr I get more signups. Is it the same for you ?

itx 08-18-2020 11:32 PM

The stats is the #1 priority, Chaturbate is a know in the community as a high trusted partner and the one of the cams more than Jasmin and other companies/competitors, we need to check it closely...

heiko0o 08-20-2020 10:12 AM

Dry Period:Oh crap

PornGrowsOnTrees 08-21-2020 03:09 AM

Same here heiko0o. I had some ok days but overall this year is bad for me with everything. :(

I had a nice whale paying for almost a month then he vanished for a few days....then out of the blue when I was browsing the internet I noticed his location was increase of covid, stores shutting down etc.

I just wish things would turn around 100% for us all. <3

lovebitch 08-21-2020 11:02 PM

You guys are just wasting time, these whore once they saw someone sending good amount, ask them to rejoin using their aff link. Waste of time and traffic, better send that traffic to other cam sites.

itx 08-21-2020 11:34 PM

The models steal the whales & the Chaturbate company too, they prefer to be paid with another method like Paypal and make the shows, we're all fucked, this bitches doesn't know how to get this customers they think its because of their pussy, don't promote bicthes with signup buttons... :2 cents:

GoCastaway 08-22-2020 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itx (Post 22721169)
The models steal the whales & the Chaturbate company too, they prefer to be paid with another method like Paypal and make the shows, we're all fucked, this bitches doesn't know how to get this customers they think its because of their pussy, don't promote bicthes with signup buttons... :2 cents:

And still using "extra" sign up buttons etc...
Siswet so many times reported, but still 2

https://chaturbate.com/siswet19
https://chaturbate.com/jul_la_la
https://chaturbate.com/hotbella_
https://chaturbate.com/little_effy18
https://chaturbate.com/aura_69
https://chaturbate.com/glorikitty

itx 08-22-2020 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoCastaway (Post 22721477)

Yes, but what we can do if this issue is affecting our biz soon or later will steal our users? some models use bots to rank higher...

This model too https://chaturbate.com/ehotlovea/ (Put again a bigger signup link)

Find a way to not send traffic to this sneaky models.

ianmoone332000 08-23-2020 03:07 AM

Well over a week into this period and im sitting at $58. I have been slaughtered

sarettah 08-24-2020 01:19 PM

Welcome to the Money-Go-Round.



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ianmoone332000 08-26-2020 09:43 AM

This in her bio lol :

https://chaturbate.com/emersoncane/

If you don't have an account and want one, use this link to make one!

I get 20% of the tokens you purchase AND

it doesn't cost more or let me know who has purchased tokens, but it really does add up and help me pay for insulin & feed my animals <3

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*** here's the second warning message I got from Chaturbate, verbatim ***

"Thank you for making changes to your bio that we’ve requested, however your bio still asks existing users to create new accounts with your referral link, specifically saying "if it doesn't work, try clearing your cookies”. As stated previously, whether intentional or not, asking existing users to create a new account takes away credit from any affiliates who send users to our site, by side-stepping our affiliate cookie system, which is a violation of the Chaturbate Terms. We ask that you please remove (or alter) this statement from your bio. You may ask unregistered users to sign up with your affiliate link, however you shouldn't ask existing users to create a new account. Thank you for your understanding regarding this matter.”

GoCastaway 08-26-2020 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000 (Post 22723199)
This in her bio lol :

https://chaturbate.com/emersoncane/

If you don't have an account and want one, use this link to make one!

I get 20% of the tokens you purchase AND

it doesn't cost more or let me know who has purchased tokens, but it really does add up and help me pay for insulin & feed my animals <3

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*** here's the second warning message I got from Chaturbate, verbatim ***

"Thank you for making changes to your bio that we’ve requested, however your bio still asks existing users to create new accounts with your referral link, specifically saying "if it doesn't work, try clearing your cookies”. As stated previously, whether intentional or not, asking existing users to create a new account takes away credit from any affiliates who send users to our site, by side-stepping our affiliate cookie system, which is a violation of the Chaturbate Terms. We ask that you please remove (or alter) this statement from your bio. You may ask unregistered users to sign up with your affiliate link, however you shouldn't ask existing users to create a new account. Thank you for your understanding regarding this matter.”

I would say: one warning, and the second time ban :321GFY

Adraco 08-26-2020 12:58 PM

It gets even better below that quoted text. Where she specifically tells ONLY NEW USERS to signup with her link and give her the 20% AND NOT THE AFFILIATES...

sarettah 08-26-2020 07:40 PM

Yeah, that's pretty fucking blatant :(

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heiko0o 08-26-2020 10:04 PM

Pretty bad period. Whenever i think it can't get worse than the last time then a new period comes around that tops everything lol :1orglaugh

sarettah 08-29-2020 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heiko0o (Post 22723593)
Pretty bad period. Whenever i think it can't get worse than the last time then a new period comes around that tops everything lol :1orglaugh

Average for me.

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pornuploader 08-30-2020 08:34 AM

I can't complain, This period has not been bad

hooperman 08-31-2020 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itx (Post 22721513)
Yes, but what we can do if this issue is affecting our biz soon or later will steal our users? some models use bots to rank higher...

This model too https://chaturbate.com/ehotlovea/ (Put again a bigger signup link)

Find a way to not send traffic to this sneaky models.

This is SOO sneaky and blatant ripoff! Is this a "final" blacklist ? I have the option to exclude models from script rotation, that would help.

Rgds,

Roofius 08-31-2020 02:14 AM

people still making money?

Andreweb 08-31-2020 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roofius (Post 22725945)
people still making money?

I can't complain my revenue with chaturbate is increasing every year!

MattGFY 08-31-2020 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roofius (Post 22725945)
people still making money?

Had my best month ever online. Made over $9,0000 with Chaturbate.:pimp

kingtom2020 09-02-2020 12:41 PM

Still getting sign ups but not many spenders. And lost around 5 big whales since March. Watched each whale slowly spend more and more then when they reach a good amount per day they vanish. Defiantly stolen by the models. By asking them to clear cookies in private messages or on 3rd party sites like Insta , Twitter ect. A lot of hard work sending traffic to CB for the spenders to be stolen is disheartening. 🐀🤳

j3rkules 09-02-2020 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingtom2020 (Post 22727296)
Still getting sign ups but not many spenders. And lost around 5 big whales since March. Watched each whale slowly spend more and more then when they reach a good amount per day they vanish. Defiantly stolen by the models. By asking them to clear cookies in private messages or on 3rd party sites like Insta , Twitter ect. A lot of hard work sending traffic to CB for the spenders to be stolen is disheartening. 🐀🤳

The good thing is that CB is not the only cam sponsor. Did you try other sites? Chances are that some sites will convert better than CB with your traffic.

kingtom2020 09-02-2020 01:49 PM

The problem is not the conversion but the thieft of my profits. all cam sites will be the same as the are all the same breed of opportunist.

emmasexytime 09-02-2020 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattGFY (Post 22726240)
Had my best month ever online. Made over $9,0000 with Chaturbate.:pimp

:thumbsup

where do you get traffic from may I ask please?

samtor9 09-02-2020 10:06 PM

can the url also be copyrighted? I have received this notice

lumendatabase org/notices/21558046#

drexl 09-03-2020 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samtor9 (Post 22727560)
can the url also be copyrighted? I have received this notice

lumendatabase org/notices/21558046#

I took a quick look at the notice. From my observation the notice filed by the model is legit for all URLs she has reported except the last one which I assume is yours.

pornyfap.com/faliton merely uses Promotional Items owned by Chaturbate who grants a license to their affiliates pursuant to the Terms.

You don't store any images (they all come from cb servers and are transient) and you only display live content through the provided tools: you should be good to file a counter notice in theory, though in practice I don't recommend it.

MattGFY 09-03-2020 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samtor9 (Post 22727560)
can the url also be copyrighted? I have received this notice

lumendatabase org/notices/21558046#

I have received hundreds of those notices. I just ignore them, and let Google remove the stupid models page on my site from search.

The one that really pissed me off, was some lying bastard, probably a competitor. Got a hold of Cloudflare, and my host, and told them he was under age, and had a profile on my site, that I wouldn't delete. All he had was a page on my site that said he wasn't online. My host shut my site down for two days, and it cost me like $500 in revenue, plus I'm sure I lost lots of regular visitors.:mad:

MattGFY 09-03-2020 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emmasexytime (Post 22727461)
:thumbsup

where do you get traffic from may I ask please?

I did some of that porn upload method, with xvideos, and other tubes when I first started out. In my free time I built links all over the internet to my site. I didn't have much of a social life. So I put hundreds of hours into this link building. Eventually, after about 2 years, Google started liking my site. Now, I'm ranked on the first page for quite a few adult cam terms. I tried Twitter, Facebook, and most of the other traffic methods, but seo traffic is the only traffic I converted with.

kingtom2020 09-04-2020 12:03 PM

Chaturbate affiliate support [email protected]

samtor9 09-04-2020 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattGFY (Post 22727972)
I have received hundreds of those notices. I just ignore them, and let Google remove the stupid models page on my site from search.

The one that really pissed me off, was some lying bastard, probably a competitor. Got a hold of Cloudflare, and my host, and told them he was under age, and had a profile on my site, that I wouldn't delete. All he had was a page on my site that said he wasn't online. My host shut my site down for two days, and it cost me like $500 in revenue, plus I'm sure I lost lots of regular visitors.:mad:

Quote:

Originally Posted by drexl (Post 22727646)
I took a quick look at the notice. From my observation the notice filed by the model is legit for all URLs she has reported except the last one which I assume is yours.

pornyfap.com/faliton merely uses Promotional Items owned by Chaturbate who grants a license to their affiliates pursuant to the Terms.

You don't store any images (they all come from cb servers and are transient) and you only display live content through the provided tools: you should be good to file a counter-notice in theory, though in practice I don't recommend it.

Thank you

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seriouslee 09-05-2020 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samtor9 (Post 22727560)
can the url also be copyrighted? I have received this notice

lumendatabase org/notices/21558046#

Seems to be about this model chaturbate.com/faliton

You can reach the studio on telegram https://t.me/models_chaturbate
twitter https://twitter.com/funclub78226024
studio homepage https://vrcams.ru/

Probably too late for these particular complaints but might be good for the future. They will have probably have hired some dmca company who stupidly harvests links using a crawler.

Brian mike 09-05-2020 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22729075)
Probably too late for these particular complaints but might be good for the future. They will have probably have hired some dmca company who stupidly harvests links using a crawler.

To be honnest DMCA + with the Big " sign up here banner " on profile i think they are after the webmaster % :1orglaugh

drexl 09-05-2020 06:21 AM

That's useful info.

Quote:

Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22729075)

Probably too late for these particular complaints but might be good for the future.

On this particular point, I'd be interested to know if complainant/model can modify/edit a notice, for example remove a URL. That'd be great since the system is imperfect and calls for errors (and scams).

Quote:

Originally Posted by seriouslee (Post 22729075)
They will have probably have hired some dmca company who stupidly harvests links using a crawler.

Those companies you are referring to are illegally crawling webmasters' websites: legitimate bots have a user agent that identifies them, a web page that describes the purpose of the bot and they comply with robots.txt rules.
Using webmasters bandwidth without their explicit written authorization is in violation of several laws as well as in breach of most terms of service.


dmca is a business, you can even be an affiliate. Maybe that explains why some companies encourage models to file notices without ever mentioning webmasters rights to use promotional materials.

nastymaster 09-08-2020 04:16 PM

Today I have free registrations 0.
Usually there were several registrations already, how are you free registrations today?

emmasexytime 09-09-2020 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattGFY (Post 22727991)
I did some of that porn upload method, with xvideos, and other tubes when I first started out. In my free time I built links all over the internet to my site. I didn't have much of a social life. So I put hundreds of hours into this link building. Eventually, after about 2 years, Google started liking my site. Now, I'm ranked on the first page for quite a few adult cam terms. I tried Twitter, Facebook, and most of the other traffic methods, but seo traffic is the only traffic I converted with.

thank you

that is great hun :thumbsup

emmasexytime 09-09-2020 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattGFY (Post 22727991)
I did some of that porn upload method, with xvideos, and other tubes when I first started out. In my free time I built links all over the internet to my site. I didn't have much of a social life. So I put hundreds of hours into this link building. Eventually, after about 2 years, Google started liking my site. Now, I'm ranked on the first page for quite a few adult cam terms. I tried Twitter, Facebook, and most of the other traffic methods, but seo traffic is the only traffic I converted with.


can you please share your site URL? or dm me it :)
would be good to have a look at please :thumbsup


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