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potter · 09-29-2009, 10:05 AM

Oh, and stay away from exercise right away. Exercise is good, and you SHOULD exercise. But not while you're in the process of a low calorie diet.

1. You'll be on a low calorie diet. You don't want to over strain your body while it's getting so little energy.

2. You don't want to overwork your mind and body with too much of a lifestyle change. Switching to a new diet is hard, so is switching to a more active lifestyle. DON'T try both at the same time. You'll be putting to much on yourself at one time.

3. Once you've lost the weight you want to, and you begin to bring more calories into your diet. Then begin to work out. Once you've learned more about nutrition and met your goals. Begin to eat more again and begin to work out and be more active.

I lost 32lbs (from 182 to 150) in ten weeks. After that, I began to slowly introduce more food into my diet as well as take on more activities. About two weeks before I was done with the diet, i'd grab one of my snacks and a water and go on a 3-4 mile walk (WALK) a few times a week. Just to get a feel for being more active and taking a step in the right direction. Then, after the two weeks and when I was at my goal weight and introducing more food into my diet. I'd go on a 1-mile jog. I'd jog half a mile and walk half a mile. After a week or two of that, jogging a full mile. Then two. etc etc etc.

Take everything slow, one step at a time. Be easy on yourself, and stick to your goals. And remember, everyone has their upsets. I got drunk two weekends - it totally negated any weight loss I had for the entire week. Don't let things like that get to you. Learn from the mistakes and KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

Oh, another thing on the diet. Drinks. Any other drinks besides water never count towards your water intake. And no drinking soda, no drinking fruit juice, or anything.

If you want some pop, drink a diet pop - but make sure it's clear. Dark colored soda interferes with your liver trying to digest your fat stores. So maybe a couple times a week treat yourself to a diet sprite or something. But take it easy, don't go overboard with them. If you want some flavoring, try crystal light or the like. The no calorie, zero everything type drinks. But those drinks do not count towards your water.

ShellyCrash · 09-29-2009, 10:53 AM

Anyone want to set some goals with me -> http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/930553-fat-ass-challenge.html

I know this is not the most supportive place in the world ;) , but I am down to support you guys if you want it and work together to shed some poundage.

shimmy2 · 09-29-2009, 10:57 AM

stop driving, ride a bike around town for little errands, run 5k in morning, 5k in evening, swim twice a day, fuck more than you currently do... dont just get bjs like actually do some fucking... and get rid of your wife. i lost 100lbs this way inside of a year

Emil · 09-29-2009, 11:22 AM

* Eat max 20 grams of carbs each day.

I dont like to exercise, so I just made sure I did eat a minimum of carbs each day. That's really all you have to do. I've lost ~40 pounds on this "diet".

Pixelbucks Eric · 09-29-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy2

stop driving, ride a bike around town for little errands, run 5k in morning, 5k in evening, swim twice a day, fuck more than you currently do... dont just get bjs like actually do some fucking... and get rid of your wife. i lost 100lbs this way inside of a year

Depending on how overweight you are, running might be a very bad idea. VERY bad for the knees, you know

Anyway, I just saw somebody mention alcohol and that's indeed very important as well.

Don't think light beers make any difference. It's the alcohol that slows down your metabolism.
So no matter if its wine or beer or spirits: cut down or stop for a while.

Sarah_Jayne · 09-29-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Physically write down with pen on paper every single food that you eat, as well as how many rep's and which exercise you do daily. Be aware of the data and record results until you're done.

So very true. That is really why I count calories because it makes me write down everything I eat and to weigh it too. If you eyeball things there is so much room to have a few hundred extra calories throughout the day that you wouldn't have had if you had weighed things. At least at the start when you are learning what true portions look like.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 09-29-2009, 12:50 PM

I started losing weight accidentally, but when I saw that it was happening I decided to continue the trend. I've lost around 45 pounds and kept it off for close to 2 years, and I break most of the rules listed here so far. (Including no eating after 6 PM. I do MOST of my eating after 6 PM)

Basically what I did:

1) No fast food for regular meals. Only eat fast food if it's for a "reason" (on my way somewhere, late at night after a party)

2) I only eat half of a portion of something. I wait several minutes. If I'm still hungry, I eat the other half. Usually I'm not still hungry.

3) NO HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP!! And that's not just for soda. (I never drank soda anyway.) You'd be shocked at how much stuff has HFCS. I believe this is the single biggest factor to my weightloss as it is just empty calories in so many different items.

4) Sort of a combo, but I swim, stretch, and soak in the hot tub 4-5 nights a week.

5) Ignore most cravings for "bad" things and recognize that your body will get full on whatever you choose to feed it. If you crave a big greasy taco, eat something healthy instead. Just do it. You'll still be just as full when you're done as you would have been if you ate the taco.

blonda80 · 09-29-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by umbralui

Godzilla ?

i'm glad for you, cheers

goddesszilla

Elli · 09-29-2009, 03:42 PM

My man lost 60 lbs in a year. There was no increase in exercise, just eating. It's all about a few things:

portion control
cutting out processed foods
cutting out articifial sweeteners
eating lots of fruit & veg

that's it. Oh yeah, and we eat all "real" fats. No "low fat" options for yogurt or cream or anything. Except milk.. we drink 1% milk as a drink now and then.

Hope that helps and good luck!!!

woj · 09-29-2009, 04:17 PM

eat less, exercise more, the rest is just minor details

09-29-2009, 04:24 PM

I lost 50 lbs (205 down to 155) and have maintained the loss without much time in the gym.
Initially, I did the following:
1. I limited my caloric intake to 1200 calories a day (net, after exercise is figured in...400 calories means I could intake 1600 calories).
2. I ate 6 times a day.
3. I stopped eating all meat minus fish. I supplemented the loss with multivitamins.
4. I limited myself to 8 hours of sleep per day max...I used to sleep 10-12 hours on weekends.
5. Up your sex intake to burn more calories. This happens naturally when exercising and eating right. It's a natural libido enhancer!

BVF · 09-29-2009, 04:26 PM

I lost 30 this summer and I'm currently losing 1-2 a week...

I exercise 6 days a week....3 of those days include weight training and ALL of the days includes vigorous cardio....

SeizeTheDomain · 09-29-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JP513

Please list the 5 more important things you did, or rules to follow, that allowed you to lose weight.

Oh . . . and how much weight did you lose?

I'm trying to lose 30 pounds (225-195). 5 down, 25 to go. Please coach me losers (of weight).

This is coming from a guy that is grossly overweight now, but has lost considerable weight safely in the past. Its a matter of your will to really do it.

Cut down consumption on the major whites: sugar, salts, rice and flours.

Losing weight and keeping it off, is not a matter of dieting, its a matter of discipline, your respecting yourself enough to not quit, and making a change in your lifestyle a bit.

For me personally, it was a matter of not eating late at night all the time. Dinner used to be at 11pm. Slowly I pushed it back to 9pm, then 7pm. Its not a hard fast rule. Occasionally if Im out with friends, if dinner is late, then its late.

Next, I ate the same foods, but prepared a different way. As an example, instead of eating fried chicken, I switched over to baked, broiled or grilled. Instead of eating french fries, i had baked potatoes. Even with sour cream and a little butter, it was healthier.

The neat thing was, as I started to lose weight, my stomach not only got smaller, but so did my appetite. Naturally the size of my portions started getting cut back.

The last thing, which I did not personally do, but heard a doctor (who installs those bands on obese people to drastically cut their intake of foods) say:

Drink a tall glass of water about 30 minutes before a meal. Not only is water good for you, but by the time your ready to eat, your not as hungry and so your intake will be less.

Hope that helps. Good luck!

BTW. I lost 50 pounds in 5 months without "dieting". I felt so great, that I lost another 30 pounds in another 3months.

umbralui · 09-29-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blonda80

goddesszilla

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sexandcash · 09-30-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

Lots of bad advice in here. I saw a professional nutritionist.

A basic easy to follow rule, and a good diet to go on. 1,000 calories per day.

Every day eat.

2 proteins
2 fruit
2 starches
2 low fat high fiber snacks
4 vegetables
Very little fat intake
Light dairy each day (glass of skim milk)
80oz of water each day

NO enriched flours (no white bread, crackers, etc). All your starch intake should be whole grain whole wheat stuff. Also, no fats! Everything should be low-fat no-fat type stuff (diet margarine, no-fat salad dressing.

And you have to drink lots and lots of water. Not only will it make you fuller on less food. But to loose weight what your body does is your liver digests your fat. To do so, it needs water. It cannot digest the fat stores in your body without water. You don't drink enough water? You won't loose as much, and you'll wake up with a hangover.

Also, no alcohol. Your liver sees alcohol as a poison, and immediately begins working on the alcohol. You drink liquor, your body is instantly no longer digesting the fat stores in you body, it is simply working on the liquor which means no weight loss for you.

For proteins you want good proteins. Eggs, Chicken, Ground Turkey, Fish, and Shellfish. Stay away from Beef as much as possible. Enjoy some steak or ground beef, but do so only once to twice a week. If you want chili, or tacos, or meatloaf. Cook it with ground turkey instead. It's a good habit to get into anyway, it's VERY healthy for you.

Starch servings are like a piece of toast, or a small potato. Fruit servings are one apple (not a giant apple), or about a handful of berries/grapes. Vegetables servings are usually about one cup. the greener the better. Like try to use green onions in everything instead of yellow or red onions. All your snacks should be low fat, and should be between 100-150 calories.

And eat more often. Try to eat every hour and a half to every two hours. What happens when you get on a diet of such low calories, your metabolism wants to slow down. So if you eat allllllll the time in small portions like every two hours. Your metabolism sky rockets, so your body begins to process your fat stores much faster. So small portions - more often!

Also, you should really stick to fresh produce. If you're serious about this, you'll be at the grocery store about 2-3 times a week buying stuff. No frozen vegetables, no canned vegetables. That goes for all your other stuff too. Everything should be fresh. What I found easy, was to like cook up some taco seasoned chicken, and a big batch of turkey meat loaf on Sunday. Then have that stuff ready for the rest of the week.

With this, you should loose anywhere from 2.5-5 pounds per week. Men usually fair much better than women. If you stick to this you should be doing around 4 each week.

And remember, there's no cheating the diet. You're only cheating yourself.

sound advice-and you're absolutely correct-there's a lot of total bunk in this thread
I have seen a trainer/nutritionist as well and this is almost exactly what he said

The only problem I have with your post is that losing 2.5-5 lbs a week is far too much.....far to much. If you are losing more than 2 lbs a week-you are losing too much, too quickly which isn't particularly good for your health either. Slow and steady is best.

PornMD · 09-30-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

Lots of bad advice in here. I saw a professional nutritionist.

A basic easy to follow rule, and a good diet to go on. 1,000 calories per day.

I realize I'm by no means a professional nutritionist, but if 1,000 calories is under your RMR (which it probably is - you'd have to be pretty small for that to be your RMR), then you're not feeding your muscles enough energy and you'll lose muscle from what I recall. which is fine if you want to simply weigh less, but not if you want to be in shape. In some cases, it can get in the way due to your body feeling like it's starving due to not getting enough energy to run itself. I know for me, whenever I've ever tried a diet lower in calories than my RMR (around 1,800 - 2,000 cals if I recall correctly), I've had a much bigger tendency to go on a ridiculous binge at some point, and this was with very well-rounded diets too. Most people's problem is not that they should be eating 1,000 cals a day but that they shouldn't be eating 2,500+ cals every day, eating too few times per day with well over 500 cals per meal when 500 should be around the max they should have in 1 sitting and/or not exercising at all.

Sarah_Jayne · 09-30-2009, 02:37 AM

I have been to many doctors and the like over my years of being a fat chick and nobody has ever told me to go under 1200 calories a day. In fact, most of them go to pains ot say never to eat less than 1200.

potter · 09-30-2009, 09:18 AM

Then bump it up to 1,200 if it makes you feel better. I'm not going to debate the semantics of a measly 200 calories.

Also, I do recommend taking vitamins with any diet. Specially a low calorie one. Get a good multi vitamin, as well as a good EFA.

ShellyCrash · 09-30-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Elli

cutting out articifial sweeteners

I haven't heard that one before. Do you know more information about why?

Tom_PM · 09-30-2009, 11:16 AM

Still upsets me that when I had a heart attack the only advice about nutrition I got was a copy of a paper that could have been typed in 1970.

Had a heart attack? Then enjoy pieces of cheese only the size of dice. Oh, and keep your meat portions to the size of a deck of playing cards. th th th th thats all folks.

Octopus · 09-30-2009, 11:24 AM

1. I drink only water(no juce, coke, ...)
2. Tea and coffee without sugar
3. I don't eat bread and fat meat
That's all.

potter · 09-30-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

I haven't heard that one before. Do you know more information about why?

It's the opposite actually. You want to cut out refined sugars. Really, you shouldn't be eating anything with sugar in it. The only sugar you should get is natural sugar from your fruits, and even then is should be kept at a minimum.

Instead, you want to switch over to the artificial zero calorie sweeteners. Like Equal or Splenda or whatever. You want to use them in moderation though. Only 1-3 per day, if even.

Go to ANY professional nutritionist or dietitian and this is what they will tell you.

potter · 09-30-2009, 12:39 PM

By the way, all my advice here is for a diet to LOOSE weight.

Seems like a lot of people are trying to give advice on just plain good dieting and eating healthy.

A good diet to maintain weight and eat right, is far different from a diet to loose weight. Eating healthy won't make you loose weight. Eating healthy is what you should have been doing in the first place before you gained weight from eating poorly. To loose weight you have to either have a calorie intake FAR lower than what your body needs so to make it begin eating it's own fat reserves. Or begin exercising to HIGHLY increase your calorie needs compared to your intake. (same theory both ways, you intake less calories than you are using daily.)

Eating right =/= loosing weight.
Eating right = staying the same weight.

Remember that.

CrysAM · 09-30-2009, 01:43 PM

There is a million programs out there and believe you me I have tried them all - Eat right and exercising is the only way that you will lose and keep it off - one you need to burn more calories then you intake - this might be hard for some but cutting out Alcohol and sugar and eating less bad carbs like white bread makes a huge difference and you will see the weight fall off no joke - and exercising at least 3 days a week for 30 mins will really help if you don't have a lot of time I suggest the 10 min trainer weight loss video it is awesome it is a hard 10 mins but it works and they concentrate on core exercises which is important - I hope that helps - I lost so far 32lbs and I have 20 to go

09-29-2009, 10:05 AM	#51
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	Oh, and stay away from exercise right away. Exercise is good, and you SHOULD exercise. But not while you're in the process of a low calorie diet. 1. You'll be on a low calorie diet. You don't want to over strain your body while it's getting so little energy. 2. You don't want to overwork your mind and body with too much of a lifestyle change. Switching to a new diet is hard, so is switching to a more active lifestyle. DON'T try both at the same time. You'll be putting to much on yourself at one time. 3. Once you've lost the weight you want to, and you begin to bring more calories into your diet. Then begin to work out. Once you've learned more about nutrition and met your goals. Begin to eat more again and begin to work out and be more active. I lost 32lbs (from 182 to 150) in ten weeks. After that, I began to slowly introduce more food into my diet as well as take on more activities. About two weeks before I was done with the diet, i'd grab one of my snacks and a water and go on a 3-4 mile walk (WALK) a few times a week. Just to get a feel for being more active and taking a step in the right direction. Then, after the two weeks and when I was at my goal weight and introducing more food into my diet. I'd go on a 1-mile jog. I'd jog half a mile and walk half a mile. After a week or two of that, jogging a full mile. Then two. etc etc etc. Take everything slow, one step at a time. Be easy on yourself, and stick to your goals. And remember, everyone has their upsets. I got drunk two weekends - it totally negated any weight loss I had for the entire week. Don't let things like that get to you. Learn from the mistakes and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. Oh, another thing on the diet. Drinks. Any other drinks besides water never count towards your water intake. And no drinking soda, no drinking fruit juice, or anything. If you want some pop, drink a diet pop - but make sure it's clear. Dark colored soda interferes with your liver trying to digest your fat stores. So maybe a couple times a week treat yourself to a diet sprite or something. But take it easy, don't go overboard with them. If you want some flavoring, try crystal light or the like. The no calorie, zero everything type drinks. But those drinks do not count towards your water. __________________

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Ayla_SquareTurtle Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 5000 full paysite reviews and counting Posts: 3,550	I started losing weight accidentally, but when I saw that it was happening I decided to continue the trend. I've lost around 45 pounds and kept it off for close to 2 years, and I break most of the rules listed here so far. (Including no eating after 6 PM. I do MOST of my eating after 6 PM) Basically what I did: 1) No fast food for regular meals. Only eat fast food if it's for a "reason" (on my way somewhere, late at night after a party) 2) I only eat half of a portion of something. I wait several minutes. If I'm still hungry, I eat the other half. Usually I'm not still hungry. 3) NO HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP!! And that's not just for soda. (I never drank soda anyway.) You'd be shocked at how much stuff has HFCS. I believe this is the single biggest factor to my weightloss as it is just empty calories in so many different items. 4) Sort of a combo, but I swim, stretch, and soak in the hot tub 4-5 nights a week. 5) Ignore most cravings for "bad" things and recognize that your body will get full on whatever you choose to feed it. If you crave a big greasy taco, eat something healthy instead. Just do it. You'll still be just as full when you're done as you would have been if you ate the taco. __________________ gone. long gone. aylasquareturtle .."a"t".. gmail dawt com

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Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	My man lost 60 lbs in a year. There was no increase in exercise, just eating. It's all about a few things: portion control cutting out processed foods cutting out articifial sweeteners eating lots of fruit & veg that's it. Oh yeah, and we eat all "real" fats. No "low fat" options for yogurt or cream or anything. Except milk.. we drink 1% milk as a drink now and then. Hope that helps and good luck!!! __________________ Make More Money with Cams and Dating at FFN.com! email: [email protected]

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09-29-2009, 04:24 PM	#61
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I lost 50 lbs (205 down to 155) and have maintained the loss without much time in the gym. Initially, I did the following: 1. I limited my caloric intake to 1200 calories a day (net, after exercise is figured in...400 calories means I could intake 1600 calories). 2. I ate 6 times a day. 3. I stopped eating all meat minus fish. I supplemented the loss with multivitamins. 4. I limited myself to 8 hours of sleep per day max...I used to sleep 10-12 hours on weekends. 5. Up your sex intake to burn more calories. This happens naturally when exercising and eating right. It's a natural libido enhancer!

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I have been to many doctors and the like over my years of being a fat chick and nobody has ever told me to go under 1200 calories a day. In fact, most of them go to pains ot say never to eat less than 1200.

09-30-2009, 09:18 AM	#68
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	Then bump it up to 1,200 if it makes you feel better. I'm not going to debate the semantics of a measly 200 calories. Also, I do recommend taking vitamins with any diet. Specially a low calorie one. Get a good multi vitamin, as well as a good EFA. __________________

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Octopus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,436	1. I drink only water(no juce, coke, ...) 2. Tea and coffee without sugar 3. I don't eat bread and fat meat That's all.

09-30-2009, 12:39 PM	#73
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	By the way, all my advice here is for a diet to LOOSE weight. Seems like a lot of people are trying to give advice on just plain good dieting and eating healthy. A good diet to maintain weight and eat right, is far different from a diet to loose weight. Eating healthy won't make you loose weight. Eating healthy is what you should have been doing in the first place before you gained weight from eating poorly. To loose weight you have to either have a calorie intake FAR lower than what your body needs so to make it begin eating it's own fat reserves. Or begin exercising to HIGHLY increase your calorie needs compared to your intake. (same theory both ways, you intake less calories than you are using daily.) Eating right =/= loosing weight. Eating right = staying the same weight. Remember that. __________________

09-30-2009, 01:43 PM	#74
CrysAM Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 8	There is a million programs out there and believe you me I have tried them all - Eat right and exercising is the only way that you will lose and keep it off - one you need to burn more calories then you intake - this might be hard for some but cutting out Alcohol and sugar and eating less bad carbs like white bread makes a huge difference and you will see the weight fall off no joke - and exercising at least 3 days a week for 30 mins will really help if you don't have a lot of time I suggest the 10 min trainer weight loss video it is awesome it is a hard 10 mins but it works and they concentrate on core exercises which is important - I hope that helps - I lost so far 32lbs and I have 20 to go __________________ Crystal Princess of Traffic and Affiliates [email protected] ICQ:589121213 Phone: 416.480.2334 x 2356 Ashleymadison.com