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If tubes like pornhub are so great for sponsors then why are sites still closing?
Some people say that the tubes like Porn Hub are great for sponsors. They can submit some clips with watermarks and then make all sorts of sales from it. But if this is the case why would any pay site ever need to close. All you need do is keep submitting large clips to these large tubes and rake in the sales, right?
On the other hand if for every one sale you make by giving Porn Hub one of your full videos you take away ten sales you used to make before from affiliates and type-ins then the math would work out to what we are seeing. Sure you might make 4 sales a day from putting your full content on those tubes but you're losing 40 a day that your affiliates and typeins used to send you. Show me where I am wrong. |
looking at my client base i have to say that many "old school" sites disappeared - people who stuck to the old fashioned paysite model and avoided tubes
on the other hand i have big clients who embraced the tube site model and use them as traffic sources for their paysites i guess thats why some close down and others grow |
giving away full clips is just conditioning people to get it for free...war of the tubes and content dumpers...breeding an army of freebie surfers...selling penis pills and dating but giving the porn for free...sounds like a long term business model LOL
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Do you think if the program owner were to start submitting to Porn Hub they would make 10 sales a day now in 2012? Personally I do not. I would be surprised if they made even one sale a day now. |
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i also heard that XHamster generates pretty good sales, havent tried them yet. but mostly i just see who (still) spends money on content and look at their strategies - it always includes tubes in one or the other way. just my observation |
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because the tube owners need those free 30 min videos to attract people to sell them other 30 min videos. |
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Otherwise just common sense tells me that less people are going to buy your goods when it is freely available. There is this old parody commercial on Saturday Night Live that I keep thinking of. It was called "Colon Blow" cereal. Check it out it's worth the view anyway: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7m...colon-blow_fun I imagine instead of cereal we ask "How many PornHub impressions does it take to get a sale as compared to impressions from a blog?" and I visualize that commercial.... "It takes over THREE MILLION Porn Hub impressions just to generate one sale. Better get submitting!!" :1orglaugh So it just seems to me you are taking what used to convert say 1:5,000 impressions from search engine traffic to a blog into 1:3,000,000 impressions on PornHub. The tubes like PornHub have volume so the sales look good on the surface but if you have an established program with affiliates and typeins already sending you sales then I think it's easy to not see that you are getting those sales at a far higher cost than you might think. |
The day will come when we are all submitting full movies to tubes. Saying that giving away full movies will condition the surfer to expect it for free doesn't work in 2012. It's all free anyway.
Best converting tubes over the last couple of years for me in order youporn - youporn used to be a hidden gem, still does well xham - community oriented, build the subs and they will come ph - same as above, completely different audience than above though xvideos - hardcore porn lovers here, brutally vocal if they don't like your content madthumbs - don't have them figured out yet, great tube though. Nice guys :) Xham has a zero revshare - you keep it all - providing you post longer movies. Don't forget about type ins too. Tubes work. Smaller ones are good too. Porn.com, drtuber, bangyoulater. My lifetme YP numbers are small but here they are: Millions of views. 265,211 clicks to join page 695 sales 1494 rebills 1-382 |
As if everyone is a competent business person and will succeed no matter what.
Paysites have always closed. Seeing programs today close is absolutely nothing like what happened in the first few years of the biz where programs popped up and disappeared by the hundreds. |
you might be right. like i said - i am not an affiliate and not a paysite expert
i just told my observations regarding my clients and my own little experiments |
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I'd like to know the numbers of sales per day that people stating that tubes sell great are.
I have a feeling that my idea of "great sales" from before all the piracy and big tubes is a lot different than what guys today think are "great sales". As the OP pointed out...if all this piracy and full scenes (and full members areas for that matter) being given away for free is so fucking great...then why is our industry hurting so badly? Seems to me to hear some people talk, that it should be raining down money with all this great "marketing". lol Dumbasses. If you give it ALL away for free...you KILL your sales. I have no idea what desperate mindset could lead some people to believe that it wouldn't. The proof is obvious all around you. And people are scrambling for traffic to try and sell cam memberships instead of selling the porn which was always the golden goose before. Total fucking stupidity. But hey...let's all race to the bottom as fast as we can. And maybe some people will make a handful of sales and proclaim it "great". lol Fucking losers. |
Look at it this way--circle jerk sites are still alive... how? They just use a tube front end and launch thousands of sites that litter the SEs.
It's all about adapting to the times. The face may be the different but the core is the same. I'm all mainstream now and the same basic models that worked in 1996 still work now. |
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Tube sales are GREAT if you have nothing to compare them to.
If you want to see how great they are, pull out your pre-tube sales stats and compare them to today's stats. That will tell you everything you need to know. Most people who rave about tube sales to pay sites were not around before them and have no reference of what great sales really are. The pay site game changed. And when you see those $300,000 pre-paid cam deals for pop-under traffic, you know who the real winners are, and it ain't pay sites. And you idiots who are uploading full length videos making a couple sales a day at best are doing nothing more than fattening up the lion who's eventually going to eat you. But to answer your question, yes, they make sales. They just suck balls when you know the taste of real sale numbers and how much they have hurt instead of helped. Making 3 - 10 sales a day from tubes when you made 30 - 100+ sales a day before tubes, isn't moving forward. |
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I remember when someone had a fucking mini-roller coaster at AVN. Now it's all fold up card tables and wall banners. That is how good it is now. :thumbsup |
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Back in the day...programs were vying for affiliates. These days (relatively speaking) there are no affiliates. So the show is basically a party with an inordinate amount of billing processors. :) |
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Like the poster above with his lifetime tube stats. I'm a very small fish and I could do those numbers in 3 - 4 weeks pre-tubes, and I know you could have done them in a few days. Now... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :Oh crap :helpme |
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Thats fact. |
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Pretty smart really. The entry level costs and knowledge needed to make a buck in the business keeps getting lower and lower. Goes hand and hand with every other aspect of the business. Lower quality people equals lower a quality business. At least before you actually had to know something, have a skill, or have money. These days all you need is a way to watermark over another watermark and you're making beer money over night. |
If everyone eats pizza why do pizza joints close everyday?
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But you can bet your ass if I was in their parking lot handing out free pizzas (their pizzas) to everyone walking into the restaurant, they would close a hell of a lot faster. |
And if you were standing out in front giving out free samples because all the other pizza joints in the hood couldn't compare and you know it and they know it, you just might get some sales and return buyers.
Tubes are great for people with unique content. If you push generic shit the tubes will still benefit you because it will accelerate the inevitable and you can bail out faster. DWB and Robbie love both of you, we just disagree on this one subject. No one is a loser or an asshole, for some the tubes work, others they don't. Quote:
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Not saying i could've done them faster or whatever. Just showing the numbers. I'm a small guy and yes my sales are no where near 2001-2 numbers. It's a different world. Making comparisons to a different time entirely is ridiculous. |
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But I do know what I'm talking about. And the orignal post of this thread says it all: If pornhub is so great, then why aren't paysites prospering instead of dying? The few decent affiliates that are left are only making a small percentage of the sales to paysites that they once made. It's not brain surgery to realize that if you give the whole thing away...nobody will buy it. And yeah...your analogy about giving out SAMPLES of pizza to show how good it is...is an analogy I completely agree with. I made millions with my tgps doing just that. And we could all still be making great money with our tubes IF it was still SAMPLES. But with entire sites having their members areas ripped and given away for free on file share sites and torrents..and then stupid tube sites giving thousands of FULL scenes away for free just to get big traffic numbers...well, that ain't no sample. That's giving away the whole thing. :( And yeah...that's just STUPID. Sure, guys that own the tube sites doing that are making good money off the traffic. Selling pre-paid ads and doing white label cams. But they are throwing away the value of the entire business and making far less than what they could if they just weren't giving it ALL away. But what do I know? All these companies going out of business and/or getting bought out by Fabian, and all the people who have lost their jobs, and all of the sales that USED to happen...I suppose none of that means anything. |
This thread is very informative. Obviously 2002 was better then today. Ok so we admit that. It is interesting to see people are continuing to make money selling porn with the tubes. A niche site with good content could survive but would they do better getting a job pounding nails? 10 sales a day could hardly pay the content bill over time.
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i wouldn't be surprised if some guy are doing 50 plus joins a day from daily submits over time, videos that have big watermarks various niches all type ins
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Robbie, it was cool seeing you in vegas recently, I was wearing a stupid fuzzy hat. Time before that was in a limo with Al in Vegas 10 years ago, probably the same stupid fuzzy hat. You remember my history with al4a. Most people back then shunned the TGPs but guys like quiet killed it. Guys like you killed it by providing the platforms for lots of companies to explode.
im not a big guy, never claimed to be and certainly am not telling you how to do things. All I'm saying is for some the tubes work. For others they don't. I seeded guba back in the day, I seeded sites like scour and kazaa and the TGPs and now big fat tubes. How anyone can quantify what people are losing out on makes no sense to me. You don't like the sample I provide in my front of my store, fine move along and go down the street. It's a different world, soon everyone will be submitting full movies and begging to do so. Different for you maybe because you have a wife that loves you. :winkwink: Quote:
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Also...I had the owner of DogFart write me and ask me to take down ALL of the vids of theirs that were submitted to my tube. They had been re-watermarked with URL's that redirect to the submitters ref code for the site that the vid came from (you know, the same shit that EVERYBODY is doing trying to save themselves as affiliates). But he told me that he didn't want his stuff up there re-watermarked without his permission. And I have a feeling that if that becomes more prevalent amongst paysite owners as they start figuring out what affiliates are doing..that it will be the end of that shit too. |
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But like I was saying...yeah, done the right way a tube site can make some sales. But it's very difficult to do it the right way when you have morons out there posting up thousands of full scenes and leaving nothing to actually sell to folks. :( |
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Recur at 4.1, and with everything added up bam! But no, don't do it. An extra million people will see it for free. Who cares, they are anyway. People we're in 2012... content is king again. The tubes provide distribution, all the overproduced shit from the mid 200's - all the red light and valley garbage.. all that has been played out. All the content blow out stuff you all bought as fillers, that shit is all played out It's back to who has the best content wins. Unless you have your own traffic channels.. small guys like me don't.. then take advantage of it. People at youporn are fucking cool and so easy. Chris at Manwin EASY, Alex at xham EASY... You own the type ins... you can yank the videos anytime. But no... a million extra people will see it for free. |
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