Fenris Wolf

400 "insert catchy cool phrase".

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DamianJ

True dat. He paid you. (allegedly).

DamianJ

It's a shame when people revert to name calling.

Take someone's point, explain why they are wrong, prove this assumption, end of post.

No need to act like kids and call each other names.

It makes it look like you don't have an actual point to make. Or lack the intellectual capacity to do so without acting like a 12 year old.

Paul Markham

This illustrate perfectly how the "marketing" has worked. Basically the surfer doesn't believe it. Many need to check out what the gallery promised against what the review sites says. By a review site giving an honest appraisal of the site, they pick up customers loyalty, which has clearly been lost by the TGP site. Not all surfers but a significant amount.

Whose to blame, the Gallery owner, site or review site?

Is that your best shot? Rather than discuss you ridicule. Sign of failure.


A review site giving a dishonest review loses it's main resource, customers loyalty. They get 1 or 2 sign ups from the same customer and then he realises he's being fed a crock of shit and moves on.

Why do people still think customers are fools?

I've seen the traffic and conversion rates from review sites over the years. The honest ones still send sales. The dishonest ones don't.

It takes a long time to build customer loyalty to a brand and a short time to lose it. Building it makes millions, losing it costs millions.

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Someone paid me.

It shows a lack of ability to counter the debate.

I think this post shows the level of marketing skill of many.

Yes changing the colour of the button, will make ratios go from 1-1,000 to 1-999. There are far far better ways to make a surfer into a customer. Offer something that's not on 1,000 other sites, offer something that's clearly better than the norm and clearly show the customer what he's getting.

Redirecting people, to a join page, who want to see more before making a decision can lose sales. This isn't marketing it's selling. Bad salesmen lose a sale by closing too soon.

http://www.erosexotica.com/index1.html I want to see samples before spending, why are you hiding them from me?

Did showing samples lose sales?

Did it while we were working, good advice and when you find the one that works best, be careful. Further testing can lose sales as well as gain some. Not all tests are going to improve sales. Continually changing is dangerous.

There are far far better ways to convert surfers into customers.

If the members liked what they saw before, this works well. If they didn't you're just a pain in the ass. Double edged sword.

Your marketing is aimed at one off sales. Selling porn is about selling to the same customers over and over again. Be it from the same supplier or the same mode of delivery.

A satisfied customer is easy to sell to. A dissatisfied customer is hard to sell to.
Marketing a one off sale is very different from marketing a product based on repeat sales.

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DamianJ

I am actually pissing myself laughing that Paul said testing a site continuously is bad.

Fuck Paul, your trolling is amusing me lately! Nice one!

Really funny!

Paul Markham

Can you explain why it's good to keep testing a design of a site please?

Are you assuming every test will result in increased sales?

Because if this is true, the original design must of been crap, the next bad, the next poor, the next average, the next nice. And so on. Which means the site owner is clueless about what he's doing.

To me continually testing a tour or site is groping around in the dark.

Changing the content on the tour is good, but not continually changing the it.

Please explain further.



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Roald

You must be kidding, seriously lol

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TheDoc

oh hell no you did not just say that...

Hahahahaha....

Split testing is the #1, without question #1 way to make more money, sales, etc. It has ZERO to do with crap, and 100% with making it BETTER.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to make it perfect the first time around, 1000000% impossible! EVERY single marketing firm, sales, etc in the WORLD does split testing, even after it's perfect, they make better!

I've split test login forms, join forms, removing a single word to adding many, colors of buttons, form elements, graphic sizes form hd to very compressed, so many micro change splits over and over and over until we knew exactly what the surfer wanted and expected.

You can't find a major company online that doesn't split test. Amazon, ebay, google, and even my little piss company split tests.

And if you're not split testing, you are without question losing money, that is 100% for sure.

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Assuming you improve the site.

What do you split test it with?

Traffic.

Traffic that might of signed up on a better tour, the one before. So split testing might be losing you money. New designs by decent designers. Maybe ones who can't design for porn. Some split testing is fine, continually doing it and spending money on it isn't. Spend money and time on the product. Not the package. If you want to make real money.

Split testing the color of a button, the banner at the top, won't hide the fact that the content is crap.

Split testing using poor designers is pointless, when I see guys spending decent money on designers I might think split testing is a good idea.

Comparing this Ma & Pa operation to proper business is a joke.

The number one way to make sales is to have a good product, #2 treat customers with respect, #3 talk to customers, #4 don't rip them off. Split testing is way down the list.

In a business as competitive and with customers so well supplied with free content, making a great company is going to be hard. Wasting time and money on split testing a site won't make much of a difference. It might turn 1-1,000 to 1-990. but that's a gamble.

There are far better ways to make money selling online porn.

But I guess changing the colour of the join button or redirecting people to a join page all the time, is a cheap way to look like you're doing something. Like adjusting the mirror on a car that's got a blown engine gasket.

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So I guess all you guys are happy, in fact want sponsors to split test tours with your traffic.

I think you should start insisting they do this with your traffic to see if it's working.

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Paul, split testing is just one of many different things to do to optimize performance.

Not only is it important to 100% understand what the surfer wants, it's also important to understand that this changes over time. So re-testing is important.

It's also important to 100% revamp every so often, people like change, especially if you have a lot of traffic and thus returning visitors. We redesign our sites and members areas every year or so. Complete redesign. Brand integrity remains but the rest changes.

Again, this is just one team out of the whole company that does this work. All the other things to make more money you do too... of course.

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Cherry7

Well said.

If this industry had independent good review sites that would be a major help for the small websites, and for the long term health of the industry. It could promote well made product and good busines practice.

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DamianJ

Sure.

Because you have never, ever made the perfect site. This is why companies test stuff. To MAKE THE SITE BETTER. It's really simple.

No, where did I say that? The whole point of testing, and it's so sweet you don't understand this, is that you remove the weaker aspects of your site. You learn what is working and do more of that, and you also learn what isn't working. A 5 year old could understand it.

Yes, but are wrong and you don't understand the internet. Mainstream companies have WHOLE TEAMS devoted to split testing things. ALL DAY LONG. That's all they do. Test things. In order to work out, by proof, what is 'good'.

As opposed to you stating your incorrect opinion as fact with no citations or evidence. Testing allows you to PROVE doing x got more clicks and doing y got less.

It's what offline marketeers dreampt of being able to do cost effectively. Before the internet, companies would split test PHYSICALLY! Imagine the cost and effort of doing x different versions of a bit of DM and having to wait months for the response. Nowadays you can put up two versions for as good as free, test for free and have results in hours. Shame all this is beyond you.

You are wrong.

Hope that helps you understand what testing is.

I can go into more if you are still struggling. Let me know.

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Paul's recent (laughable) statements regarding split testing is why I shushed him.

At this point Paul knows he's wrong and his stubbornness won't allow him to admit it. He's old, physically weak, he's sick in terms of physical health, so this is all he has left, his POINTS. No one can dissuade him because then that would invalidate all his endless hours of posting. If that happened Paul would lose whatever keeps him motivated to still live. Again, sad really but my compassionate heart understands when people's lives are failing.

So you continue Paul, if it helps you live. The rest of us who make money online will just shake our heads and carry on.

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Roald

You know what the problem is with you, you will never agree on anything or admit you are wrong. You might have been a good content shooter back in the day but you have absolutely zero clue on how to run a proper site (traffic or pay) yet you preach like you know it all.

I agree with you that the end product the porn itself is what should make people stay a member. But god damn, go make a jiggsaw, walk your dog or go play bingo or something and stop these walls of text without any substance.

Peace and out

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Paul isn't old!

From what I read on here, he had some health issues over the last couple of years that put him down for a bit. But he's recovering.

I was watching Dick Van Dyke on the Piers Morgan Show a couple of nights ago. He's 85 years old and they showed him doing some bad ass dance moves with his 4 piece group for President Obama.

He was bright eyed, sharp as a tack, and looked younger than I do. lol

Regis Philbin is up there too.

I just got tickets to see Paul McCartney here in Vegas on June 10th. He is 68 years old.
I saw Bob Dylan on a music awards show a couple of months ago. He is 70 years old.
Mick Jagger absolutely blew the roof off the grammys this year at 67 years old.

Age is just a number. It's the fire in the belly that counts.

And though Paul may not be right with all his marketing ideas...he does show a strong conviction to them. Which shows that despite all his protests and talk of being "retired", that deep down inside there is still a little fire left for the business.

And truthfully, if more sites used what Paul is preaching: better content...and I use the word "better" to mean giving the customer EXACTLY what they want to fulfill their particular fantasy...then all of our marketing would be much better served.

To me, Paul is talking about the FOUNDATION of the entire site. You know....what's actually in the site.

And the reason he is taking heat is because he just can't help but try to act like a jackass and ridicule people who are on the marketing end of it.

But that's the "fire" in the belly that Paul does still have.

So no, I don't think he's "old" or "weak". I think he has some strong beliefs built from what he's seen and done in his years of experience. And quite frankly, if he actually had enough fire in the belly and was hungry enough and built a paysite like the one he describes AND was able to have model interaction AND took steps to protect the content to the best of his ability...he would have a winner.

I know...because that's EXACTLY what I try to do. Whether I actually achieve my goal or not is subjective. But I do try to the very best of my admittedly superior skills. lol

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TheDoc

I can split test any traffic, my own, a single affiliates, a purchased source, a country, a browser type, a device, etc.

Normally you don't split test major changes, it's micro changes that get split tested because that's what you're tracking. If you split test an entire tour, it would be very focused, like German traffic only.



Well, if you're split testing, clearly people are buying, and clearly they don't think it's crap.


I've never hired a poor designer so I can't relate. However, I've made totally amateur 'crap' designs on purpose, and with some affiliates, they rock.

And that's why you don't get it... You're a Ma and Pa operation and I've been running a proper business.


You're talking about business in general... and AFTER you have that established, you would split test, making it the #1 thing to grow and improve your business.


Then don't split test an entire design and it wont cost you anything.... most split testing costs nothing but a few minutes of time.

Duh, and you find them by split testing various methods, ideas, traffic sources, ads, text, etc, etc, etc...


We aren't talking about adjusting the warning page and hoping the join page does better.

I've made micro changes on join pages and see submit ratios flip all around. Split testing has taught me a ton of what not to do and over 15 years of doing it. So much so today I sell join page templates, split tested over 100,000 sales and growing, being tested across 500+ join pages... I know without question a micro change, a color, the layout, style, loading, every single micro factor on the join page alone can totally blow a site out or make a shitty site rock.


From mainstream everything like magazines, tv, to cars, plane engines, all technology, ALL safety standards on every product in the world, even the flavors of food at the store and damn near everything else we have today is the result of split testing and this results in MORE sales, happier customers, etc, etc, etc...

I'm VERY shocked you're even attempting to argue this...

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For Paul to understand the value and power of split testing he would have to run a paysite, with paying customers, and enough traffic to judge the tests accurately. Obviously he has none of this going on.

Bottom line: THE only way to KNOW if a change is working (more sales) or NOT working (less sales) is to split test. Anything else is just a guess, or assumptions, or stabbing in the dark and wasting time, money and traffic. Paul will not understand this (or admit it if he did). I'm just happy as shit that I understand (and employ) these basic business practices. What anyone else believes or does is of little to no concern to me (unless I can learn something valuable, which I'm always open to).

Would LOVE to see some of your Join page Templates there TheDoc - selling any? LOL

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Paul Markham

Doing it once a year is fine.

As you say it's very important to know what the surfers want. Which is obviously something some of your scenes miss out on. Having people at the top who understand porn helps this process, even if you're delegating you have to know who to delegate to.

The first thing everyone who wants to optimise joins and retention has to do it think like a customer who has been surfing for years. Seen the same old tired tours that are on 100s of other sites. Tours that give away the same old tired videos. They no longer grab attention.

Tours need to make a customer sit up and think "This site has something very different and better than the stuff I can see on a ton of Tubes." It needs to tease without delivering. If at the end of looking at a tour the surfers not looking for the join button, changing the color or dumping him on the join page is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Your tours are professional, well designed and thought out. However, the content is just a bit better than most sites and it's not really grabbing the surfer by the balls. It also lacks a lot of personality. Not a girl repeating the word "Join this site now" type bullshit, it's been done 1,000s of times and tired. The tour needs to really kick the surfer into thinking "I'm joining this site now."

Selling to a skeptical audience that has better options is the toughest sale ever. You need to do something very good to make them change their mind. The customer for online porn isn't some newbie who just got a computer or credit card. He's a very experienced and knowledgeable buyer, often more experienced and knowledgeable than those selling to him.

Tweaking a tour, isn't going to fool him in 2011. Changing the whole layout and design isn't even going to do it. He's hit so many tours, seen so many empty promises he's not easily fooled as he was in 2001. Give him a lot more respect than that.

Your tours are good. Maybe too professional and not personal enough. Jerking off is very personal, make the tours and sites personal as well.

When I get flamed by a loser like DamianJ. I think, if hes so bright and I'm so dumb. how come he's so broke and I'm so comfortably retired and still earning money?

When I get flamed by MisterPeabody I look at his sites and can see what he does. Changing the color of the join button is about his level of marketing. He now resorts to abuse. His level of debate.

Generally when I'm flamed about the correct ways to do things. I look at an industry that went from converting 1-50 to 1-5,000. An industry that people are now leaving. An industry with boards that are jokes or ghost towns, if even open. And a general winding down, because customers aren't buying into the shit these guys trip off their tongue.

It really doesn't matter if I agree with you. The clear truth is, the customers no longer agree with you. And you are doing fucking little but tweaking tours to put things right????? And throwing out more free porn.

MisterPeabody and DamianJ, please show us some of your tours that you tested.

Thank you.

I was shooting this kind of content back in the mid 80s, through to very recently.

Anyone who has been to a porn show that lets in customers will see the adulation and attention given to the girls. Even at our professional only shows it seems some guys can't wait to get their picture next to a girl with a name. Like CM.

So why shoot and present them as anonymous plastic dolls?

My health issues will take a long time to resolve. I still have fire in my belly and would love to contribute something. The financial hunger isn't there, the hunger to prove I'm not finished is with me. Just the actual physical act of shooting is something I will probably never be able to do again. The shoot for Fabian left me physically shattered.

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You attract abuse by your posts Paulie. I only "debate" people who respect my thoughts enough to show me respect when "debating". When they begin to act like know-it-all cunts then the gloves come off.

I can tell by your posts you are a Master-Debater Paulie. :D

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Paul, you have one flaw in your comments... your comments might be true for a part of porn surfers, likely that part which would buy a magazine or a DVD 10 years ago, but for the vast majority of surfers, your remarks are simply wrong.

We cater to a specific type of surfer, and our sites, tours and content reflect that. If you do not like them, or if you think its not good porn, then so be it. But I am not trying to sell you, I am trying to sell to a much bigger and very different audience.

If you would ever accept this fact, you would maybe understand people more here, but then again, you debate out of fun, so I get that...

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Theo

Guys, you should have a look at the June's issue of Harvard Business Review. It has a very interested article on "Competing Free" (page 104). it will help you understand better this business model and it will give you some ideas.

Paul Markham

My comments are based on years of experience, selling, marketing and producing porn. Also on looking at what's on offer online.

The vast majority of sites show a Ma & Pa type operation, which worked 10 years ago. Today they don't. Your tour is professional, but it's got little identity other than being a large site of porn.

Keep that aspect, because size is important, just make the tour more about what Brazzers can deliver other than the same type of porn scenes that have been shot for years. Your content is very reminiscent of "porn valley" porn that you were ridiculing. OK no story line running through scenes. But when it comes to the sex, it's very similar.

You could tweak it and make it far more interesting, without losing it's main appeal. Which is size and quality. My comments on the inside of the site were based on the content. Cutting scenes up for the tour, can make them look a lot better.

MisterPeabody I definitely do not dish out abuse like you do. Until abused I rarely abuse back. I stated a fact, your tours are poor, the content except for a couple of sites is also poor. The whole thing is bland. Offering all those sites for "Free" with the sign up, only works if other people doing the same have offered great sites. If the sites they offered with the sign up were poor, it reflects badly on your site.

Why isn't one of your sites good enough to get a sign up. Why do you need to offer so much else? This is a question it brings to my mind.

http://www.misterpeabodyworld.com/

A professional film, next to an amateur 20/30 girl, above a big tit BBW MILF, with an advert for models. The whole thing looks very amateurish and without any clear direction.

All comments on tours are personal, from me and from surfers. Ignore them at your peril.

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DamianJ

I've just had an idea.

1) Make better porn
2) Stop giving away porn
3) ...
4) Profit

What do you think Markham?

Cherry7

Paul, you talk about better content, then you attack Mr Peabody. If you believe in better content you should support him.


He produces better content than you and yet you show no respect.

The irony is what you produce is 99% indentical to all the porn you attack. Show one review site that sees something new or better in your work.

It seems the only person that thinks your work is great is you.

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Paul Markham

Make better porn. Well that's a no brainer to bring in more sales. Damn sight more than tweaking tours. Shooting content specifically for the tours, not just taking clips out of the movie. Produce something that will entice the surfer, show him that the site is different from the 100s of others doing the same thing.

For years I've listened to people say something like "My site only convert 1-500" and the reply was get more traffic. The industry spent a fortune on getting more traffic. Now the biggest company in online porn and probably offline as well, spend more on getting more traffic. The results are clear to see. The more traffic we got, the smaller % that converted. Now Tubes have the lions share of traffic and conversions suck.

Few people really sat down and asked themselves "How can I really convert more of the traffic I have?". Yes they tested tours, tried different layouts, different join buttons and lots of other things that might of meant 1-500, going to 1-490. The surfer is way to clever to be tricked by changes of design. And most changes were what other sites had changed to and from before.

Few came up with some revolutionary design that made people buy a LOT better.

The problem and answer was simple. The customers weren't fools or newbies. They had seen it all before. They had signed up to sites with great tours, with flashy button, with all the tricks possible. To find the site wasn't living up to the promises of the tour.

They became very skeptical buyers. They looked long and hard at a tour, how many videos/sets promised, what was the erection capability of the site. Not just HD, because nearly everyone had it. So any advantage was lost.

When the sale was made, everything depended on content. How long would he stay, when would he come back, how much did he trust an upsell withing the site.

In the early days very few could afford to spend money on anything, let alone content. The few who could thought content was cheap and anything would do. Then is would, today it will not.

Sites, big name sites as well, were buying custom content for $300 a solo girl scene exclusive. That does not get anyone good content. Because anyone who can shoot good content can sell it to markets that pay 10 times that price. What ever you say about me isn't the point. It's not just me, it's any decent shooter wouldn't work for what most sites will pay for exclusive content.

Not me, Viv Thomas, Jack Harrison, Steve Colby and many many more. The guys who did couldn't break into better market.

Today a good shooter doing a wedding with a videographer can charge $5,000+ for an afternoons work. And that's not the ceiling by a long shot. A lot of the great video shooters now work for DVD companies. A lot of the best models under exclusive contracts work for DVD companies. Very few work for online guys on an exclusive basis.
Yes it's all about content today. It's simply that after 12 years of really pushing online porn, we've gone about as far as we can with "marketing" if we haven't then we're not very good.

Yes keep tweaking and improving, but it won't make a lot of difference. Because the problem lies elsewhere today.

Now the thing is and this is important.

Can online afford to step up to better content?

Maybe Manwin can, but I doubt if many can.

I quoted what a good solo girl site would cost to build in terms of content. Fabian posted how it cold be done. Most laughed at him. On B&B you saw the reaction. Still if it can be afforded, why isn't it?

Because 3 solo girl scenes for $2,000 doesn't buy good content. Even if the shooter is working 5 days a week, he's not making a lot of money. Unless he can't get to other arenas of photography.

It's one picture. If Mr Peabody would like to give me access to his site, I will do him a review of the content. To date I've not seen one online shooter who could sell sets to offline. That in itself is a damning comment.

If I produce content 99% identical to what I attack. These other guys are crap at marketing. Because I earned a lot more than the shooters did and probably some of the sites.

I'm not worried what review sites say today, because I haven't shot for over 3 years. When the site was launched it got high marks.

As the content was free, shot for magazines, then the content store and not for a paysite. It does nicely thank you.

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Interesting.

http://hbr.org/2011/06/competing-against-free/ar/1

What did online porn do?

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Paul, how much was the script that takes the only two points you make and does a thesaurus replace on key words?

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It's one picture. If Mr Peabody would like to give me access to his site, I will do him a review of the content. To date I've not seen one online shooter who could sell sets to offline. That in itself is a damning comment.

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Why are you the judge, you are not a photograher?
Selling to a porn magazine required a little photographic knowledge, but not much. It was taking the same set up, poses and lighting (or lack of it ) again and again just changing the girls. If you were talking about doing photos for ZOOM back in the day, that would have been something.

The very fact you compare it to wedding photographer is a give away, this is not professional photographer is the sense of skilled creative ground breaking photography that can be seen in fashion, photo exihibitions etc...Only professional in it is possible to earn a living at it.

Viv Thomas I see is on the tubes

http://www.pornhub.com/channel/vivthomas

I must say I was disappointed by how banal the clip he put up there is

blow job, fuck, come in face.... How unoriginal....

I think some original ideas well marketed could make good sales....but we need better prophets than Paul Markham.

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plsureking

interesting article although porn might be too far gone to recover. one significant suggestion in the article that related to porn is to 'offer your own free product'. some program owners have purchased or launched their own tube sites but i don't think they are taking market share away from the major tubes - or benefiting from many upsells to their paysites.

the article also stated that one way to compete against free is on quality and/or features. however one network or paysite cannot compete with a tube site that has thousands of videos in a wide range of categories. when faced with the choice between paying for a quality site and not spending the money, 99% of customers will choose to keep their money in their wallet. that leaves all program owners competing for the very small number of customers with unlimited discretionary income.

and in a recession that results in a lot of hungry site owners..

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I know, it never was the business, just another part.

Given that you keep pointing to it and we were very successful selling our content to other areas. What do you think we could of earned, by employing someone like you to run the marketing to affiliates and surfers side of the business?

Of course we could of changed from a more a stills production company to a video production one.

Just a rough guess and remember we could of changed to what ever you think, within the Teens, MILF, Big Tits, Lesbian or Hard Core arenas.

Just a rough guess, nothing too specific and it's open to everyone.

You really should stick to discussing topics you know something about. Because on the level of selling to magazine sets. You're clueless. Utterly clueless and don't even have the common sense to keep quiet about it.

Selling to magazines must of been tougher than anyone here could of done. Or they were too much of a bad business man to make a few phone calls. Once you had the right content, it was easy to seel. All editors had stacks of sets from amateur, rejected for a number of reasons. All amounting to "NOT GOOD ENOUGH."

Do you know what ZOOM paid for a single photo?

The picture from Mr Peabody wouldn't get anywhere near the standard of The Sun. Girl not good enough, pose plastic, sneer on her face, over exposed. As for inventive photography.

Viv has made more money from porn and glamor than you ever will. www.vivthomas.com

And his bank manager will testify to that.

No online company can afford him. Or if they can they're not good enough business men to employ him.

And this shows the failing of online porn. Where offline porn was employing top shooters in house, online never did.

I spoke to many sponsors over the years and their attitude was they could buy a scene exclusive for peanuts. $300 for a solo girl scene. They ended up with sites full of junk content from guys who couldn't even sell a scene 10 times on a content store for $50.

Their sites needed tons of traffic to get a sign up, then tons more because as fast as they joined they left. Retention was appalling.

The people I spoke to like Lensman, Mayer of Mayers Money and others still working so no names. Gave me figures on doing a split on profits. The figures were mostly vague with a lot of IFS, thrown in. Or not of interest. When I told them what we earned they were amazed.

The hard truth is online porn until recently largely lived in a bubble and rarely thought outside it's little box. Let's say Mr Peabody could produce and sell 2 sets a week that sold to magazines. He would be able to put in his pocket $300,000 a year. Same goes for you, same goes for any smart ass who thinks our content isn't good enough.

$300,000 a year for work they were already doing for their paysites. Or even easier. If they were buying from a shooter good enough, they could of sold his work.

And 2 sets a week is a breeze. We were doing far more. As was Viv Thomas and he was selling DVDs.

Looking at the samples on www.cinemaerotique.com I can see how bad you are as a photographer. Lack of imagination, preparation, controlling models and skill. Would you like to put those pictures up so I can comment on them please. Save me doing a screen grab.

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Finally we agree on something.

Porn is too far gone on giving it's product away to keep going down the same route as it it. The article talks about a competitor giving it away, what about when the company itself gives it away and spends loads of money to do so?

Also agree on your point of too big and expensive a problem for one site to solve. In micro niche, they're on their own. For the rest, they need to come together and share the costs of the solution. The market isn't profitable enough today for single companies to afford the solutions.

The only thing you got wrong was the 99%

99% of surfers always chose to keep their money in their wallet. Today it's worse than 1-1,000 surfers. Over all and counting surfers who never click a link, knowing it goes to a place wanting their money.

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Theo

You'll better get the print edition, the web link has only the intro

Robbie

That Viv Thomas scene on Pornhub looks pretty damn good to me.
Looks like the way we used to shoot in the mid 1990s (real film video with multi-cameras).

Is he using two cameramen or three?

Very nice. The only thing I would pick at would be the lack of a little creativity in it (my specialty), but his framing and lighting is perfect.

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DamianJ

More than it cost you to hire me.

Check out my sig to see how I'd have changed your current email for your 50% sale. If you want, next time you need to send a mail, I will do you a version FOR FREE and we'll split test it. When you see mine gets more clicks, you can take the parts that work FOR FREE and use them to get more clicks. That's how testing works.

That's just ONE of the things I do Paul. I analyse emails, change things, they get sent out, it's seen mine has more clicks and sales and then people make my changes and are happy.

And, I'm sure you were successful selling your content in other areas. It's when you talk about online porn with authority I like to show people that graph. Helps bring your opinion into perspective.

Cherry7

The images are absolutely stunning and breathtaking
Here you can find amazingly directed high quality nudity and masturbation, as well as highly erotic and feminine European models acting in very creative and sexy storylines

http://www.juicycat.com/

The quality all around Cinema Erotique is positively amazing
The movies even have actual composed musical scores, and the music is truly beautiful too! Each movie also boasts a real storyline, plenty of good dialogue, great lighting, lovely locations, intricate costuming, etc, as any good movie has!

http://www.tylerspornreviews.com/cinema-erotique.html


one of the more unique sites on the Internet
WeshowPorn

I feel people can make their own mind up on the quality of my site.

Feel free to post pictures of yours that demostrate your skills as a "however you describe yourself" .

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Paul, you insulted me like eight times before I ripped you a new asshole - well, ripped open your colostomy bag, that is.

Paul, here's what you should do:

1. Start a review site. Then your endless "points" can be aired out and proven as Gospel as surfer after surfer follows Paul Markham"s "advice" on which porn to buy and which to skip.

2. Start a consulting company. Then you can peruse websites and offer your clinical analysis on how to make those sites better/more profitable.

Of course, you will do neither. Why? Because your review site would fail (thereby proving how useless your comments are) and no one would hire you as a "consultant" once they realized your advice didn't improve anything.

Posting on GFY keeps your commitment level quite low, doesn't it? Put your money where your mouth is Paul.

Oh - and obviously you misunderstand the concept of a NETWORK of websites. Added value, shared traffic, increased sales for all sites....oh never mind.

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Nathan

Paul, that 300k increase a Year is not worth the hassle. That's below 30k a month, we can do many other things to tweak and make 30k more before we need to sell pictorials to mags. That's the part you do not understand

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maxjohan

Yes... I agree, I make more money for you, turn your tubes into TGP 2. What about that Manwin.

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Robbie

Doesn't need any of the content changed. Just the way the pages are set up.

It's just a damn tube script with a page template. Take about an hour for me to set it up to really make SALES on the paysites that EVERY video on Pornhub came from.

And make the pre-paid spots less spammy and the focus more on making real money with sales.

Those guys don't know what the fuck they are doing. All they know is they bought themselves a high traffic tube site (because of all the stolen content). And the only thing they can figure out how to do is sell prepaid ads based on traffic, which is based on stolen content.

SOOOOO much more money could and should be made there. But of course Fabian is just too big as the "owner" to have time to do things that could make millions of more dollars for "his" company (which is so big that we can't even understand it)

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Nathan

Robbie... LOL... you will never get it... but as I said, that's ok.. since its fun to read your posts.

You know so little about our tubes, so little insider knowledge, your comments are useless. You have no idea how much money we make with our ads, you have no idea how many of them are prepaid vs. bidding on trafficjunky, you have no idea how much money we make on our skinned or half skinned video pages in our channels...

You know so little, your comments are mute and useless...

But continue thinking you are this great marketer and laugh at me... I'll continue to enjoy every post you make trying to bash me....

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Robbie, I must say that Nathan is correct here - the "PornHub family" has many revenue streams you are not acknowledging, at least not in your last post.

Besides, Nathan et al may be planning design changes as we speak, one would imagine. I'm sure Manwin A-B tests everything. LOL

Having said all that, optimizing the various pages Robbie-style would be a fucking fascinating exercise indeed! Nathan should give Robbie some $$$ for a split test and let him have at it.

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gideongallery

actually you might want to listen again it not quality but value proposition

quality is a tiny bit of that.

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Jakez

This guy just has a bone to pick with online porn in general. Oldest troll evar?

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