Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Revolvers are not considered semi-auto. You can't just change terms to mean what you want. Ever hear of single action vs double action? Of course not, you're stupid.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I thought my post was a thread ender. Actually this one is.
oddly enough, the unintelligent rabble continue to prattle on about that which they don't understand.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

revolvers are semi auto in function. you might want to call a duck a goose, but it's a duck.

Originally Posted by potter

As soon as you let someone say "The constitution thing is bullshit..." the argument is lost. The constitution grants us inalienable rights. RIGHTS. Guns are not a privilege in this country, they are a right. Period. End of discussion.

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

It is the non gun people that are so afraid. Why else do you want us to get rid of our guns? Because you are scared somebody is going to shoot you. Why would we be afraid. We are heavily armed.

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

SleazyDream is correct. Handguns are used in most crimes. It is a valid desire to want to get rid of all guns. It is also a valid desire that I want to flap my arms and fly to the moon, but neither is going to happen. Being from the US, I accept that we live in a county with people that are armed. Nothing wrong with wanting a world where nobody shoots anybody, stabs anybody, and cars don't run on gas, but instead on candy, and we all get along. But look how venomous people get when just having a gun discussion. People are called stupid, idiots, nutters, and eventually war breaks out, and the guy with the best weapons and tactics wins.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Try googling single action revolver. Better yet, go into any gun store of your choosing and ask to see all their semi-auto handguns and do a count of how many revolvers they put on the counter.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

for the sake of this thread, i'm defining semi auto as being able to pull a trigger without doing anything else to chamber a round.

i also believe in banning all handguns from civilian use, including single action.

you might try and make up some bullshit to poke holes, but this is really pretty simple for anyone with an iq larger than their shoe size

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Sleazy dream. Unfortunately you are not aware how easily semi auto can be converted into fully auto should war break out. LOLI love how you guys call every one idiots. That is the first sign your argument is weak.

Don't buy a gun. Don't buy a semi auto. Whine on an adult board that you don't like guns. But guess what. Im keeping mine.
And they are all semi auto. Aren't you saying you don't like them because you are afraid?

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

By "bullshit", do you mean the facts?

I'm not trying to poke holes, as your opinion on what should or shouldn't be banned means nothing at the end of the day.

I just take enjoyment in pointing out all the things you clearly know nothing about, as you come across as a pompous asshole. Who else would make a thread just to tell someone that they "owned" them in another thread?

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Sleazy dream. Unfortunately you are not aware how easily semi auto can be converted into fully auto should war break out. LOLI love how you guys call every one idiots. That is the first sign your argument is weak.

Don't buy a gun. Don't buy a semi auto. Whine on an adult board that you don't like guns. But guess what. Im keeping mine.
And they are all semi auto. Aren't you saying you don't like them because you are afraid?

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Hit that nerve again? Which one of us wants to get rid of the big scary guns? The one who isn't scared? Seriously. You guys are right we should get rid of them and every one that doesn't want to get rid of them is an idiot. Now settle down. The geniuses win. I'm off to clean my idiotic guns, before one of you guys starts threatening to shoot me with your single shot rifles.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

you are trying to separate terms, I've said semi auto AND handguns from day 1

typical moron. I can be against semi auto for public ownership and have used them. I have no issue with gun ranges where people can play with full and semi auto and handguns

life isn't black and white unless you are an IDIOT, which you are.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I'm not afraid of guns, I'm afraid of idiots with guns.

there's a reason full auto is illegal for most people, the same should be extended to semi auto

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

wanting semi auto means you're afraid. I can defend my home just fine with a pump shotgun where I place my rounds. why can't you unless you're terrified and plan to panic under pressure and kill your neighbors kids with friendly fire....

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I have a pump shotgun too. That is my home protection weapon of choice. But when I am on the road it is hard to conceal in my waistband.

I use apartment loads in my semi auto pistol. They will not penetrate the walls, but will flesh. Neighbors are safe. Buckshot will go through sheetrock pretty well though. Hope you don't make a mistake.

If someone is coming into your house to kill you, no matter what weapon you are holding you will be under intense pressure. Unless you are really Bruce Willis. Bruce?

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I'm not in an apartment, my neighbors are 100 yards away. after going through a wall buck shot has no energy after 100 yards.

and yes, I've been in situations were someone has tried to kill me. everyone's different. what happened to me was i calmed down even more.

Originally Posted by baddog

You have just defined "exhibition of speed" - At no point do you have to go over the speed limit to be cited for that; and then there is the basic speed law which says you can only drive at whatever speed is safe. If you are doing 25 in a 25 and everyone else is doing 10, you violated it.

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I assumed you meant the next door neighbors. I don't live in an apartment either, but they are called apartment loads since they lack penetration. I wouldn't want it penetrating the walls of my own house since I don't live alone.

If you are awakened from a dead sleep with two armed men kicking down your door, I am not sure calm would be what would come over you. I use this example because it happened four blocks from my house this year.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

had a guy who made death treats on such to me a few years ago. restraining orders and such were put in place, mostly to prepare legally if he did follow though and allow me an easier court case if I had to kill him. Was woken up many times in that time period wondering of it was a home invasion. I was calm, mostly cause it happened a lot and I wanted it over with and would have been happy to shoot the fucker.

but i commend you for the type of ammo you're using. it's responsible and shows some intelligence. good job

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Yes. He probably needed to be shot. Some people need killin'. ;)

I take gun ownership very seriously. I take safety training very seriously. You can't take a bullet back, and misfires can happen if you are handling a gun.

I would love to make it so that criminals and mentally ill people never get their hands on guns of any kind. But my challenge is, that laws would take mine away and allow people that have nothing to lose and don't mind breaking the law to keep theirs.

I appreciate the comment.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

you're starting to understand what I'm talking about. most people are stupid and NOT as responsible as you are.

You can defend yourself with a shotgun...

it's why I say no semi auto..... it's an easy solution and still allowing people to kill bad guys

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

Ok, I believe the general public is stupid and should not have semi automatic weapons. this includes handguns.

I have no problem with any single shot rifle or shotgun or pump, lever, or bolt action long barrel gun.

why does a private citizen NEED a semi-automatic weapon other than "I want it"?

the constitution thing is bullshit, semi auto didn't exist when it was written.

so gun nuts, lets have it.

why do you need semi auto?

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

you are trying to separate terms, I've said semi auto AND handguns from day 1

typical moron. I can be against semi auto for public ownership and have used them. I have no issue with gun ranges where people can play with full and semi auto and handguns

life isn't black and white unless you are an IDIOT, which you are.

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I had a situation where my buddy stopped at a rest stop. (I said hell no don't stop at a rest stop). He did anyway. I stayed in the car, he went in. A couple minutes go by and some big dude strolls into the bathroom behind him. He was looking around, not like a guy that has to go. I realized my pistol was in the trunk, in a silver case. I jumped out and got it. Then I see another guy who obviously saw me get the gun case, walking my direction fast. I look at him and he stops and gets on the cell phone. The big guy comes out of the bathroom and they leave together.

When my buddy came out I asked him what that guy did. He said he came in and turned on all the waters in the bathroom, then got a call and walked out. Same effect maybe with my shotgun, but I doubt I would have brought it on the road with me. Concealable firepower is important to me. If you are not at home, you can have a gun, but not freak out the people around you.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

You dont get it. I dont care what you are for or against, I just like making you look like the idiot you are when you are trying to come across as some seasoned gun pro, yet at the same time you post completely moronic shit like all revolvers are semi auto, you dont need more than one shot to shoot skeet unless you are a show off, shotguns have too much kick to fire twice in a row, not knowing the difference between a side by side and over under, etc. You're so clueless about guns I doubt you could have passed the test to get your PAL.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

a little context for those of you typing when you should be reading.

The United States Supreme Court has defined the Militia in clear and unambiguous terms:

The Militia is all males physically capable of acting for the common defense, expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves, arms of the kind in common use at the time, part of the "ORDINARY MILITARY EQUIPMENT." U.S. v Miller (1939)

"All citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserve Militia... The States cannot, even laying the Constitutional provision (Second Amendment) out of view, prohibit THE PEOPLE from keeping and bearing arms." Presser v Illinois (1886)

"Do not separate text from historical background. If you do you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution." - James Madison
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the U.S. from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
"The great object is that every man be armed." - Patrick Henry
"Those that hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." - Patrick Henry
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants." - Thomas Jefferson
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed--unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." - James Madison
"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." - George Madison
"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth." - George Washington
"When firearms go, all go. We need them every hour." - George Washington
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference--they deserve a place of honor with all that is good." - George Washington



uninformed children and politicians are the only types of people who are confused or pretend to be confused by the founding father's intent.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

didn't say shotguns have too much kick to fire twice in a row, i said 12 gauges, esp magnums, have too much kick to accuracy aim two shots in a row fast. to do it accurately, it's about the same time as a pump round to round

revolvers are semi auto in that you can pull the trigger and get another round. you want to get into mechanics, yes the bullet isn't ejected.. blah blah blah.. still bang bang bang same as any semi auto. for the purpose of what i propose, revolvers are semi auto in function even though the bullet doesn't get ejected. still one pull of the trigger for a new round with nothing else

my dad owns several over under shotguns as well as a couple of double barrel. I've fired both kinds. some have double triggers, some a switch to change barrels. whoop de do

are you going to complain that I make spelling mistakes too?

you're trying to make yourself look smart by avoiding the basic question. why do you need semi auto and handguns? if you're NOT an idiot, answer that

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Funny, I shoot two shots in a row all the time at the gun club using a 12 gauge over under and don't have much of a problem hitting two targets sent up at the same time. You don't have to throw a switch to change barrels on any over under I have used, kinda defeats the purpose. And I see you still didn't look up what a single action revolver is, since it is not semi auto in any way, and I am not talking about ejecting shells.

As for your question, I agree, in Canada, you don't need a semi auto handgun because the government has already put laws in place that are so strict you can't legally use it anyway, except at the gun range. You have to call the police and tell them when you are transporting it, the exact path you are taking and the exact time. Once they start restricting stuff like that there is no point in owning it. I can't even legally fire it in my backyard, even though I live on a large acreage.

If I lived somewhere without such draconian rules, I would own one simply because they are fun to shoot. No other reason needed.

As for semi auto rifles and shotguns, why wouldn't you use them? Not having to manually eject the shells is more efficient. And because you can do cool shit like this:

Originally Posted by GonZo

Gun Control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCfMh9hEWA

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

you sound like an idiot saying NO, you don't have pants, you have slacks....

Originally Posted by NewNick

I don't need a gun.

Never have.

Originally Posted by GonZo

Gun Control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCfMh9hEWA

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

lots of things go on in your mind that arn't reality

Originally Posted by slapass

Nice try. The Thomas Jefferson quote is fake. I didn't bother to check the rest. - http://www.monticello.org/site/jeffe...arms-quotation

The other Jefferson quote -

"This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:

First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]

Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]

Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]

This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted."

I think this proves my point. When they wrote this, they were at war which they were fighting as a militia for the most part. As much as we want to think of them as giants, they were not perfect. Woman could not vote. They owned slaves. Folks, they gave us the right to change it so that it could match the conditions of the day versus become a dead document with no meaning.

Where the fuck did you copy this shit? The Last 3 George washington quotes are false also. Nice try though.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

sure moron. the quotes are false because you say so, got it.
the supreme court decisions never happened either. got it.

fucking uneducated womanly loser.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

aren't tazers awesome!!!!! he should have zapped ALL of them!

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Im not sure what that gibberish means. I can only assume it is some reference to me saying revolvers are not semi auto. Since you are obviously too dumb to figure it out or to use google, single action revolvers need to have the hammer cocked manually...pulling the trigger does not cause it to advance to the next bullet.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

said the flash in the pan tgp clown who couldn't keep up and failed out of my business and then promptly failed at everything else in life.

Originally Posted by VanDahl

Because the criminals that break into your home WILL Have semi-autos. and if ur still loading ur musket, ur screwed! Have fun with a sling shot!

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

it's pretty clear you don't understand anything from your gibberish comment.

shall you give us a lesson on how a standard transmission works now detailing your vast knowledge of clutch work when a person simplifies it stating you need to change gears?


grow the fuck up, you're an idiot. even your avatar proves that

Originally Posted by VanDahl

Because the criminals that break into your home WILL Have semi-autos. and if ur still loading ur musket, ur screwed! Have fun with a sling shot!