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Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 11:38 AM

i have Golden finish (terrible name lol) but it just repeats on me all day i always burp the taste of it. Core ABC is also a nice alternative to purple wraath. And i feel you on the white flood! superpump give me the superdumps

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 11:40 AM

dyna the test gel definitely helped spare some muscle wasting thats for damn! if u got on some dr prescribed shots, ud be in the money!

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Hey man...

Rapid weight loss + no exercise + testosterone supplements + 45 years old is a seriously dangerous combination for your heart... I really recommend you run this shit by your doctor, i don't want to see you drop here man...

i won't be going back on the test until month 2 of weight training. i monitor my blood pressure (consistently solid) and my doc gave me a thumbs up at thanksgiving. i've been simply eating low calorie balanced meals, tons of salad and homemade dressing, chicken breasts and egg whites. and the vitamin/anti-oxidant supplement.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

i have Golden finish (terrible name lol) but it just repeats on me all day i always burp the taste of it. Core ABC is also a nice alternative to purple wraath. And i feel you on the white flood! superpump give me the superdumps

yah, they've updated it with a new product and name, it's got waxy maize instead of malto and they put in another super carb.

what's your thoughts on waxy maize? better than malto?? or hype....

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 11:44 AM

glad u got it prescribed instead of self medicating! As for a difference, i really dont notice any difference between the 2, im pretty much constantly bulking and eating 3000 cals from solid food and the rest is shakes so getting my pre/postworkout nutrition from those either of those sources is good enough for me

CIVMatt · 02-02-2010, 11:45 AM

Congrats but I'd really add in a little cardio along with that

Quagmire · 02-02-2010, 11:47 AM

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

glad u got it prescribed instead of self medicating! As for a difference, i really dont notice any difference between the 2, im pretty much constantly bulking and eating 3000 cals from solid food and the rest is shakes so getting my pre/postworkout nutrition from those either of those sources is good enough for me

i find that doctors are more than helpful when you ask them!

i've got an unopened tub of golden finish so i'll go through that and get the new stuff after a month. i did find 1 article stating that waxy maize is junk but it provided no real test results.

Jeff R · 02-02-2010, 11:56 AM

First congrats on the weight loss and setting goals....it's a great start.

I really would recommend starting an exercise routine as soon as possible. Unless there is some health issue that is keeping you away from physical exercise you should start training your muscles. You don't have to start with the power lifting. Try lots of reps on small weights, it will help burn the calories and tone the muscle that is currently there.

Just my .02 for what it's worth.

The Demon · 02-02-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, i am more than uptodate on my weight training results over the years, i've mentioned more than once that i've looked to my journals i've kept over time showing my plans and results.

i've gained 3 pounds of muscle a month for 2-3 months more than once in my weight training programs.

i find that over the years i go 6 months on, 6 months off, usually due to schedules. summertime i am traveling and on vaca. so i like to look good and don't worry about working out and such consisitently. then during the times of the year when i am home, i am more focused and consistent.

that's me, that's what i've done for many many years now.

There's something called diminishing returns in the world of weight lifting. If you gained 3 lbs a month for 2-3 months, you'd have to work that much harder to gain another 3 lbs and so on.

The Demon · 02-02-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

if you cannot maintain at least a modicum of adult level respect in this conversation then you should be respectful enough to not participate.

as you can tell from my posts, i've poured research into this.

my original question was in regards to dieting being able to shed the last 5 pounds of available fat or not. i cannot find any information about this and inquired.

There was no "disrespect" intended. The fact that you're doing what you're doing leads me to believe that you haven't done the proper research, simple as that. I'm sorry if you feel offended.

CamJack · 02-02-2010, 12:11 PM

clenbuterol, alot of green tea, hydroxycut, and walk 45 minutes a day

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

There's something called diminishing returns in the world of weight lifting. If you gained 3 lbs a month for 2-3 months, you'd have to work that much harder to gain another 3 lbs and so on.

this really only starts to happen with a person reaches their maximum amount of nitrogen retention and full muscular capacity, Ive had no trouble bulking from 135 - 182 in two years. Diet and nutrition 100% to the T, constantly bulking right now im at about 4200 cals a day and still gaining.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 12:16 PM

at this point, it's prolly best to say the diet only result has plateaued. i've slowed my metabolism down such that i'd prolly lose another 5 pounds of lean weight just to get the last 5 pounds of fat erased.

that being said, i can get to 10% bodyfat simply as a result of putting muscle back on.

+ 10 pounds of muscle = 171 * 10% = 17.1 pounds adipose.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

this really only starts to happen with a person reaches their maximum amount of nitrogen retention and full muscular capacity, Ive had no trouble bulking from 135 - 182 in two years. Diet and nutrition 100% to the T, constantly bulking right now im at about 4200 cals a day and still gaining.

this has been my experience as well.

not to this level though, i've never gained ~50 pounds of muscle, that's impressive- congrats, but i've never stopped gaining muscle when i train. i've figured out the code for how i gain weight but i've never really sorted out how to lost that super stubborn fat, so i decided to mix it up this time to do so.

NetHorse · 02-02-2010, 12:32 PM

I'm not going to get too much into it, but yes you can lose fat by diet alone. However, I STRONGLY recommend you do some cardio in combination with your diet routine. Not only will you lose more fat but you will be 10 times healthier, your endurance will go up thus allowing you to complete more repetitions while lifting and you can better tweak your diet to maintain more muscle. If you're starving yourself but not doing any cardio you're going to just look anorexic, who wants that look? I don't know about you, but I strive for a MUSCULAR and lean build.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

reallY?

i was under the impression most athletes maintain a sub-10% bodyfat due to the lifestyle, and that anything closer to 4% is what is risky.

Maintaining a sub 10% BF in most cases is very difficult. Especially with no cardio in your routine, good luck building new muscle and staying under 10% BF with diet alone.

I've been on a moderate diet, with cardio 3X week and weight lifting 3X a week. I'm 226lbs @ around 13%. I would look better if I was a bit leaner, but I'd rather not "yoyo" I feel I can comfortably stay at my size without a crash diet and most importantly my routine is healthy.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 12:50 PM

as has been mentioned several times in this thread. the question was in regards to extending the diet another 2 weeks to lose the last 5 pounds of excess fat i have stored, i've shown the muscle loss calcs and also stated i planned on muscle loss going in to this phase.

i also stated what my goals are and the plan to achieve them. i've also mentioned my fat loss to be within the health and fitness industry healthy max of 3 pounds per week.

i am no more yo-yoing than a bodybuilder pre-contest, much less in fact.
my body weight and proportions were within all healthy limits prior to even starting this.

so i am really unsure of the point of this post.

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

I'm not going to get too much into it, but yes you can lose fat by diet alone. However, I STRONGLY recommend you do some cardio in combination with your diet routine. Not only will you lose more fat but you will be 10 times healthier, your endurance will go up thus allowing you to complete more repetitions while lifting and you can better tweak your diet to maintain more muscle. If you're starving yourself but not doing any cardio you're going to just look anorexic, who wants that look? I don't know about you, but I strive for a MUSCULAR and lean build.

Maintaining a sub 10% BF in most cases is very difficult. Especially with no cardio in your routine, good luck building new muscle and staying under 10% BF with diet alone.

I've been on a moderate diet, with cardio 3X week and weight lifting 3X a week. I'm 226lbs @ around 13%. I would look better if I was a bit leaner, but I'd rather not "yoyo" I feel I can comfortably stay at my size without a crash diet and most importantly my routine is healthy.

The Demon · 02-02-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

this really only starts to happen with a person reaches their maximum amount of nitrogen retention and full muscular capacity, Ive had no trouble bulking from 135 - 182 in two years. Diet and nutrition 100% to the T, constantly bulking right now im at about 4200 cals a day and still gaining.

Well it also depends on whether you're an endo/ecto/mesomorph.

NetHorse · 02-02-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

as has been mentioned several times in this thread. the question was in regards to extending the diet another 2 weeks to lose the last 5 pounds of excess fat i have stored, i've shown the muscle loss calcs and also stated i planned on muscle loss going in to this phase.

i also stated what my goals are and the plan to achieve them. i've also mentioned my fat loss to be within the health and fitness industry healthy max of 3 pounds per week.

i am no more yo-yoing than a bodybuilder pre-contest, much less in fact.
my body weight and proportions were within all healthy limits prior to even starting this.

so i am really unsure of the point of this post.

Your thread title is " losing fat with diet alone " I just read your first post and posted a quick reply. The point of my post is I think you should do cardio combined with a good diet and weight training routine. If you want to maintain a low BF you should make cardio a part of your lifestyle. Yeah you can lose whatever you want in the next two weeks, but then what? You think you're just going to gain 100% lean muscle after you cut?

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

Your thread title is " losing fat with diet alone " I just read your first post and posted a quick reply. The point of my post is I think you should do cardio combined with a good diet and weight training routine. If you want to maintain a low BF you should make cardio a part of your lifestyle. Yeah you can lose whatever you want in the next two weeks, but then what? You think you're just going to gain 100% lean muscle after you cut?

i do cardio, just not with this diet at this time. 3 months is not a permanent thing.

and yes, just like it is possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, i plan to gain muscle and not gain fat at the same time. my past experiences confirm the fact. will i gain muscle as fast as i have in the past over the same amount of time, doubtful, but i do know that i can gain muscle and not necc have to gain fat at the same time.

NetHorse · 02-02-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i do cardio, just not with this diet at this time. 3 months is not a permanent thing.

and yes, just like it is possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, i plan to gain muscle and not gain fat at the same time. my past experiences confirm the fact. will i gain muscle as fast as i have in the past over the same amount of time, doubtful, but i do know that i can gain muscle and not necc have to gain fat at the same time.

It's difficult, having your macros perfect to gain 100% muscle mass, that's like a full time job! You have to consume more calories than you're burning AND it has to be the perfect amount of carbs/protein/fats.

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 01:58 PM

dyna you went on a ketogenic diet correct?

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

dyna you went on a ketogenic diet correct?

yes, exactly.

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 02:07 PM

then theres absolutely no reason for people to be busting balls, you seem to be pretty knowledgable im sure you knew what you were doing

its just a different approach to what you want to accomplish and not a "norm" for bbing

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

It's difficult, having your macros perfect to gain 100% muscle mass, that's like a full time job! You have to consume more calories than you're burning AND it has to be the perfect amount of carbs/protein/fats.

well, as much and as solid as i monitor things (i even check my blood sugars) i should be able to guide it all in the right direction. a small increase in daily protein above my bmr + activity level calorie requirement will do the trick.

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 02:10 PM

hey man, hit me up on icq or aim if u can

BVF · 02-02-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i won't be going back on the test until month 2 of weight training. i monitor my blood pressure (consistently solid) and my doc gave me a thumbs up at thanksgiving. i've been simply eating low calorie balanced meals, tons of salad and homemade dressing, chicken breasts and egg whites. and the vitamin/anti-oxidant supplement.

You really want to know?.......Go to a beach or a pool or a waterpark
and take your shirt off in front of a lot of people....

I was at the gym running on the treadmill today and I look over and see an older man running his ASS off on the treadmill.....But the non-muscular flabby skin that was bouncing under his shirt said it all.

I'm in the locker room every day and I haven't even gotten all the way in shape yet but if some older out of shape man stands next to me while I'm naked in the mirror, I look like a greek god next to him.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

then theres absolutely no reason for people to be busting balls, you seem to be pretty knowledgable im sure you knew what you were doing

its just a different approach to what you want to accomplish and not a "norm" for bbing

i appreciate that. i expected some ball busting, since this is gfy lolz. but your's was one of the opinions i was hoping to get.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

hey man, hit me up on icq or aim if u can

i don't have those, i can send an email to that addy in yer sig if ya want.

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 02:13 PM

nah no biggie i just wanted to see what ur keto diet looked like, i want to do a similar variation when i get to my goal weight to really lean out towards the end. But id like to incorporate some training in there as well.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 02:14 PM

i am not sure what you are getting at? do i really want to know what? are you saying it doesn't matter wtf i do because i am old and therefor have saggy skin and would not look good standing next to you?

i go to the beach and vaca every year, i have no probs taking my shirt off- ever.

i have more a prob putting a shirt on! lolz.

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Originally Posted by BVF

You really want to know?.......Go to a beach or a pool or a waterpark
and take your shirt off in front of a lot of people....

I was at the gym running on the treadmill today and I look over and see an older man running his ASS off on the treadmill.....But the non-muscular flabby skin that was bouncing under his shirt said it all.

I'm in the locker room every day and I haven't even gotten all the way in shape yet but if some older out of shape man stands next to me while I'm naked in the mirror, I look like a greek god next to him.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

nah no biggie i just wanted to see what ur keto diet looked like, i want to do a similar variation when i get to my goal weight to really lean out towards the end. But id like to incorporate some training in there as well.

the key for me was to figure out where my daily max carbs needed to be. it's ~ 30g/day. then sitting back and going with my body adjusting to getting energy from fat. that was pretty weird.

i've read a lot about the ckd diet, cycling keto to gain muscle at the same time. it's even more focused and refined than what i just did.

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 02:21 PM

yea im honestly nervous about the energy transition, i heard its like hitting a brick wall

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

yea im honestly nervous about the energy transition, i heard its like hitting a brick wall

it's scary at times, beyond feeling hungry. not unlike soaking in a hot bath for a long time then getting up and standing up super fast- out of gas! but after about 2-3 weeks i acclimated.

i know someone will prolly bust my balls over that but it's documented that's what happens when the body transitions to using fat for energy.

Choopa Phil · 02-02-2010, 02:29 PM

not looking forward to that phase of my training to say the least

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 03:00 PM

congrats on losing the 75 eh. i like natural foods and they make up the lion's share of my diet.

i like beer too and find that between the months of july and december i have my share.

hahah, not to any extreme level but i've noticed this cycle after taking a look at myself in a variety of ways.

ajrocks · 02-02-2010, 03:12 PM

You can't cut that final body fat on a low cal diet. You need High protien and complex carbs and animal fat. No processed foods at all, no wheat or processed sugars of any kind. You also need to work out like crazy.

dyna mo · 02-02-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil

not looking forward to that phase of my training to say the least

i just reviewed my notes and here's a couple of observations:

1. in retrospect, the holidays really messed this diet up, it requires that my system adjust to it, so everytime i grubbed a holiday meal/beverage i was actually halting any progress and having to start over. even though it was technically only a *cheat day*

but once i got through new years and i adjusted (2weeks) blam the weight was dripping off, i could grab my love handles daily and feel them getting smaller. there were several days where i dropped 3 pounds each day. not in a row.

2. in the afternoons, coffee helps with energy, or a nap. one or the other.

3. my daily energy level flipped- before i would have more energy in the mornings but on this diet i've been a zombie in the mornings and have even adjusted my work day to start after noon and work into the late evening.

that being said, i think the delays contributed to the 2:1 fat/lean loss. because once this cycles up, the flab dissolves.

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Choopa Phil Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,965	i have Golden finish (terrible name lol) but it just repeats on me all day i always burp the taste of it. Core ABC is also a nice alternative to purple wraath. And i feel you on the white flood! superpump give me the superdumps __________________ AIM - Choopa Phil Email - [email protected] A World Wide Leader In Hosting! * CHOOPA.COM *

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Choopa Phil Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,965	dyna the test gel definitely helped spare some muscle wasting thats for damn! if u got on some dr prescribed shots, ud be in the money! __________________ AIM - Choopa Phil Email - [email protected] A World Wide Leader In Hosting! * CHOOPA.COM *

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Choopa Phil Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,965	glad u got it prescribed instead of self medicating! As for a difference, i really dont notice any difference between the 2, im pretty much constantly bulking and eating 3000 cals from solid food and the rest is shakes so getting my pre/postworkout nutrition from those either of those sources is good enough for me __________________ AIM - Choopa Phil Email - [email protected] A World Wide Leader In Hosting! * CHOOPA.COM * Last edited by Choopa Phil; 02-02-2010 at 11:45 AM..

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,233	at this point, it's prolly best to say the diet only result has plateaued. i've slowed my metabolism down such that i'd prolly lose another 5 pounds of lean weight just to get the last 5 pounds of fat erased. that being said, i can get to 10% bodyfat simply as a result of putting muscle back on. + 10 pounds of muscle = 171 * 10% = 17.1 pounds adipose.

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Choopa Phil Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,965	then theres absolutely no reason for people to be busting balls, you seem to be pretty knowledgable im sure you knew what you were doing its just a different approach to what you want to accomplish and not a "norm" for bbing __________________ AIM - Choopa Phil Email - [email protected] A World Wide Leader In Hosting! * CHOOPA.COM *

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Choopa Phil Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,965	nah no biggie i just wanted to see what ur keto diet looked like, i want to do a similar variation when i get to my goal weight to really lean out towards the end. But id like to incorporate some training in there as well. __________________ AIM - Choopa Phil Email - [email protected] A World Wide Leader In Hosting! * CHOOPA.COM *

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,233	congrats on losing the 75 eh. i like natural foods and they make up the lion's share of my diet. i like beer too and find that between the months of july and december i have my share. hahah, not to any extreme level but i've noticed this cycle after taking a look at myself in a variety of ways.

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