About wjunction, and the issue of how to pay uploaders of illegal content.. if billers and "libertyreserves" are shut down, they more move into an advertising based business, so to share advertising revenue with uploaders (and forum posters?).

Have you noticed http://PornStash.xxx
They let guys upload stolen content (I see lots of met-art photosets in home now). Then show plugrush and juicyads in the pages with html (so plugrush/juicy ads id of uploader) the 75% of the times. So the site earns from 25% of the site ad impressions left, with own ads in place of ones of the uploader.
What I find interesting is they give this warranty to uploaders:

Legal. You don’t have to worry about DMCA complaints or legal problems. Simply post. We will deal with the legal issues.

I am now curious, what AK, Plugrush thinks of this type of sites and business model.
Also, I see Juicyads and others are used: the uploader can post any html with own id from any banner network, to show 75% of times on the own post's page. This one provide a tutorial how to register on plugrush.

Hot it works:


How to verify plugrush:

I'd worry more about these websites here:

imgserve.net
sexyimg.com
imgpo.st
pixup.us
imgcandy.net
imgdino.com
imagejumbo.com
imgrill.com
hotimg.com

These ass holes are making bank hosting playboy, brazzers, etc.
They are paying users to upload images and earn views.

I'd saying they're making in the thousands doing this.

This user here has two of these websites
wjunction.com/member.php?u=26891
imgmoney.com
imgcloud.co

He's probably made a fortune. He moved onto tube:
itchtube.com

You need to stop these fuckers before it spreads.
I found the script most of them are using.

codecanyon.net/item/imgshot-image-hosting-script/2558257?sso?WT.ac=search_item&WT.seg_1=search_item &WT.z_author=Zamfi

They've banned my IP at wjunction

If he made a fortune with other things, why to open a tube.

This user "itchuporn" uploaded: 70 videos (all full rips, some even in hd), but watched videos: 0. Unlikely real user :)
http://itchtube.com/users/itchuporn/videos/

It is full of ero-advertising banners, do ero-adv know.

But it's all ok: http://itchtube.com/static/dmca/

It would be great if there was a member here with enough power and finance behind them to go after rogue ad networks. Like Ak is doing with file lockers.

If AD networks want to be straight - be straight. they can do it just they often choose to look the other way.

I doubt AEBN will kill his account.

:2 cents::2 cents:

I'm not sure piracy is the bug-a-boo everyone here is making it out to be. The few times I signed up for paysites was because of content I found on usenet.

Why did I stop?

Agressive Rebilling was the culprit - Not because I could get the content for free elsewhere. I got sick and tired of having to call my credit card company because i could not unsubscribe.

I'm not claiming piracy has no affect on sales but, in my experience at least, some of the business practices of the industry brought a lot of this problem upon itself. To this day I won't give my cc info to a sex site on the net. I only use gift cards.

i dont understand why you want to advertise with advertiser networks that work together with pirates anyway, those clicks only result in bounces since people that already ended up there for free aren't interested in paying for it anyways

And this is why the industry needs to support your efforts.

FULL SITE RIPS.... Hello? Donate to AK NOW.

I am actually getting all my ducks in a row on ad networks supporting these sites.

The idea will be to strike with precision and strike hard against companies supporting piracy through advertising on file locker eco system sites - so a case is being developed and the issues are being worked through so that some positive impact can be achieved through an assertive and co-ordinated mitigation.

Some initial test salvos have been fired off at some companies to test how seriously these companies take the piracy issue. Obviously there are some companies supporting massive amounts of copyright infringement and in some cases illegal content such as child pornography.

One company said to us

"I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Copy Control Pty Limited, as a private company has, under no circumstances, the right or the power to impose [redacted] to take any action towards our partners and notably terminate our relatioship." (sic)

In essence completely dismissing the fact that their pop up ads adorn no less than two hundred piracy sites with reasonable amounts of traffic. However once their credit card merchant relationships are impacted they will hopefully be a lot less arrogant.

Simply look at sites like PlanetSuzy or IntPorn to see where our efforts will likely be directed.

Sadly, the industry clearly has no faith what AK is doing is making any impact whatsoever, or obviously they would be donating.

I hate to say it but almost everyone is broke. There is little money to donate. Most affiliates are probably looking at 25-50% of the income they had five years ago unless they scaled something else up. The same with many paysites. Even losing 30% of your income would be fairly significant for the average person.

If people knew what would happen back in 2007 and AK were around I bet many of us (Especially those who went out of business between then and now) would have gladly given 20% of our income to the effort. If only it were possible to go back in time and do it.

^ The irony in that post is incredible. People are broke because of tubes. The same tubes that bankroll AK and the same tubes that AK bends over backwards to support.

It's hilarious watching him talk about going after file lockers that nobody has ever heard of, and "usenet servers" (every single one of which, that anyone has heard of, is taking Paypal as normal) and now ad networks. Anything but sub-100 Alexa tubes that millions of people visit every single day. :1orglaugh

It's nice that he's sincerely thinking so much about the children too. I'm sure the record of tubes on hosting underage porn is as pristine as their record on hosting stolen content.

Not everyone in "adult" is broke, or they could not pay thousands of dollars a month (or a week, or a day) to buy banners and popunders in thepiratebay and xhamster, xvideos, pirate forums etc. Perhaps prerecorded content producer and publisher is broke, but there are other "adult" traffic activities which are doing well.

It's mainly dating websites that are succeeding right now. Or some shitty guide on how to grow your dick size. Most of the ads on ThePirateBay are dating websites.
Even on popular tubes like redtube, pornhub, etc. I see adultfriendfinder all the time. They have popups and banners for it.


The only way to make money in porn nowadays is to start a dating website or create a tube like manwin and profit form piracy.


Obviously no one is going to stop them. No one seems to give a shit that the pornhub network is profiting from piracy.

The industry is just fucked overall.
As long as porn tubes are around no one needs to pay for porn.


Shutting down file lockers is definitely helping. But I fear it just isn't enough. More will keep popping up. Shut 1 down 3 more will pop up. Even if you manage to shut them all down people will move on to torrents and other things.

True. Tubes aren't broke. They can afford to donate to killing off their piracy rivals.

And why are you so worried, helterskelter808?

Because the business of getting paid 10 bucks per 1000 downloads was hurt? Or another reason? Naaahhh wait... were you really getting paid 10 bucks per 1000 downloads? haha... Better look for a job at McDonalds.

AdultKing rocks! Keep doing it man, you get the whole community support!

And helterskelter808, look for a decent job and get a life, tootsies.

Tubes will not go away, deal with it. They are pretty good on being compliant, I've sent DMCAs out and within 8 hours all the said videos were gone (assuming you sent them a substantial case with proof).

If I own the rights to said videos, what makes you think you can tell me that I can or can not stream those videos for free online. There's no arguing that tubes have hurt paysites etc but there is no power in being able to rid the industry of them.

File lockers effect mainstream too, which means there is more people to fight along side with on that front and unlike tubes, they are almost exclusively illegal in regards to their conduct.

Rapidshare recently introduced an affiliate campaign (which just got removed) because they've been desperate to gain traction and had to fire 75% of it's staff:

Torrent Freak Article

Rapidshare is a mere shadow of it's former self.
There can be a lot of money in stealing from anyone who makes original content.
Rapidshare Lobbying Story

Not having your affiliate to do work for you, and more importantly, using them as an excuse to turn a blind eye to the content that they up load using the lame excuse that "it's unfortunate that some people choose to abuse our services."

I don't know...once AK starts the ball rolling on advertisers on pirated content losing their billing...that could DEFINITELY be extended to tube sites. I'd love to see that happen.

He is being paid by a tube ower, why would he do that?

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There is no doubt tubes changed this industry, however to place the large DMCA compliant tubes in the same category as file lockers like Hotfile, Netload, DepositFiles or File Factory shows that you have a fundamental lack of understanding about the depth of copyright infringement and illegal activity in this space.

The facts are that the big tubes are mostly DMCA compliant, they do not charge for access to user uploaded content, they do not pay rewards to uploaders of content and they do not run huge threads on piracy forums enticing pirates to uploaded pirate content.

On the contrary, many large tubes pay large amounts of money to licence an enormous
quantity of high quality content. Just because you see full scenes and whole DVD's on a tube site does not mean that's pirated content, in fact it probably is licensed.

Free porn via tubes has no doubt hurt many smaller and medium sized players in the porn industry, there is no denying that. However the fact is that in the main, they are compliant with the law and as long as they remain so there is nothing I can do about them.

When we have the financial accounts of file lockers terminated, we are able to do so because we can demonstrate a non compliance with the law. We can't just point at a site we don't like and say "shut them down". We need to provide tangible evidence of illegal activity.

It's also worth noting that once Oron, Hotfile, File Factory and Deposit Files were all file lockers nobody had heard of.

Ultramegabit has been running for a year, it is now a serious problem. It does not take very long for a file locker nobody had heard of to become a substantial piracy venue that takes away income from every honest webmaster.

When we detect possible illegal content on file lockers we collect as much evidence as we can and use that evidence to provide a case for terminating the payment processing of that file locker.

We have reporting mechanisms available for rights holders to make complaints about all sorts of sites, the only tube of any reasonable size which we have had reported as carrying potentially illegal content is MOTHERLESS.COM

If you have evidence of any others then please provide it to us.

I don't see any tube sites on our radar other than Motherless.com as described above. Until rights holders start providing us tangible evidence then there isn't much we can do.

It's all very well to make complaints on this forum but for us to do anything about any site we need evidence and lots of it.

Up to now I have been paid nothing. I have worked on this project without taking any salary. It's important to make that clear, we have run on a cost recovery basis only and run very close to the bone.

I still don't understand why people don't get this. A few months back a rep from the tubesites had a thread asking to talk to people about licensing their content. I'm sure many many people quietly contact them and make an arrangement.

Once there is an agreement in place to pay for the content, nothing can be done about it from a 3rd party.

If I decide to go out and spend thousands of dollars on content, then turn around and for vanities sake have it on tubes or just give it away, that's my prerogative.
Tubes were inevitable, granted their inception could have been introduced more gracefully and in a more regulated matter but considering how uncooperative everyone here and the industry as a whole is, and the unwillingness to share or even donate a little bit of time to projects like this, it had to happen, and it did.

The other unfortunate thing is most people just bitch, and it ends there.

I can't conclude how much of which, lack of brains, utterly opportunistic ethics, lack of delayed gratification, a lack of understanding for utilitarianism (holding out for an environment that maximizes the good for everyone, paysite owners and affiliates alike), or people could simple give a shit.
The Stopfilelockers project is helping clean up the ecosystem for all media related businesses, not just adult.
It does bother me, AK keeps chugging along and I'll play my small part in helping when I can. :2 cents:

singing up in love for AK

Being paid? A contribution from Manwin doesn't constitute getting paid. I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning for what AK has gotten from Manwin.

What AK is doing is exactly what is working and in my humble opinion...once he starts going after advertisers on file lockers that will most definitely spill over to the tube sites. The same exact companies are the ones making money for all the pirates.

When the whip comes down from Visa and MC over pirated material and advertising on those sites...it will extend to the tube sites from the billers themselves.

Just my thoughts on it. Not trying to argue. You're a guy that isn't doing anything to stop piracy, and I'm a guy that isn't doing anything. So neither of us are in a position to have an intelligent conversation about what will or won't happen.

But it does seem like common sense that if the time comes that MC and Visa say they no longer will bill for any company monetizing pirated content...then the tubes will feel that BIG time. Don't you think?

FileDefend.com was one of the first file lockers we took on and we hit them a number of times. Each time they came back with new payment processing we shut it down.

Once Alexa 5000, it is now offline, about a year after it started. Like FileMates.com, the site was a serious threat - experiencing exponential growth over a short period of time. However a sustained campaign of hitting their payment processing arrangements paid off.

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...endoffline.jpg

Right now we are working hard on a number of targets, there will continue to be closures, terminations and mitigation and the possibility of criminal sanctions against file locker owners and operators, especially those residing in the United States, looms large.

Some of them have been getting licenses for a few years. I know they tried to get our DVDs 3 or 4 years ago, so I can only imagine the library of legal content they have by now. Most of Porn Valley already whored out their entire inventory, as many of the DVD companies will literally do anything at this point to make $150.

The irony of it all is the more they license their content, the more it slits their own throat. But that shows the true desperation and financial state of many of the companies.

AK has gotten the attention of the credit card companies and processors. It will only get worse for the ad networks, filelockers and those who love them.

kill em all AK!

I say FUCK the ad networks that help CRIMINALS monetize their illicit activities. Good luck taking these MOTHERFUCKERS down!

I agree they shouldn't be put in the same category, but only because tubes are far, far worse:

1. The people who visit tubes are the natural paying customers of porn sites. People in developed countries, with credit cards, who want easy access to porn with no fuss. Whereas file lockers are used by people who wouldn't be paying for porn anyway, either because they are not old enough, because they live in the third world, or because they have the time/patience to jump through numerous hoops to get it free.

2. The volume of content, which can only be a complete and utter guestimation anyway, is irrelevant. A 'file locker' some dude sets up in his bedroom could have (in theory) 10000 times as much content as Pornhub, in terms of GB; what matters is how many people access that content.

Further up you mention some file locker that reached the heights of 5000 on Alexa. IOW, 4900 places below every major tube site. The most popular tube site right now is a Top 50 Alexa site, with a higher global rank than PayPal itself.

That tube is most popular (a top 50 site) in the following countries (Global rank 44 - US rank 41):

Germany (ranked 16!), Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Greece, Sweden, France, Algeria, Egypt, Spain, Canada, Romania, United States, Czech Republic, Portugal, Mexico, Australia

Similar of stats, if not 'better', for Pornhub (US rank 35) and doubtless every other tube.

So what's the most popular file locker? For the sake of argument, let's say Rapidgator, (Global rank 385 - US rank 843).

Most popular in the following countries:

Tunisia, Malaysia, Morocco, Taiwan, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Belgium, Mexico, France, Chile, Japan, Peru, Indonesia, Australia, South Africa, Spain, Algeria, Argentina, Colombia, Romania

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to spot the real difference between file lockers and tubes.

Hey, I have an idea...

Since AK has put his time and effort into going after File Lockers (you may have noticed the thread title)...AND he has now gotten payment processors to cut billing for sites offering pirated content...

How about YOU go after the tube sites?

AK has already laid out the map on how to do it. So just take what he learned and instead of trying to make him do all the work...you can tackle the tube side of it.

You seem to be pretty passionate about it.

If you read back at the very beginning...the file locker sites were arrogant and acted like assholes. It pissed AK off and he decided to SHOW them what one guy can do when he sets his mind to it.

You go after the tube sites the same way and it will be an awesome "one-two punch" with AK after file lockers and you after the tube sites.

but but but....weren't you defending tube sites and saying their content is legal...now you're telling someone to go after them?

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about...

I've been one of the loudest guys screaming about piracy since the word "go".

You are mistaking me for somebody else.

No, it's even wackier than that. He criticizes tubes, he knows they are by far the biggest problem, but then when someone else points that out, he criticizes that person for doing so. :error

ad networks is this years "tgp craze", new ones seem to pop over every day.
pirate sites will jizz in their pants having all these networks fight for their traffic.

I'm not criticizing you.

I'm asking you to do something about it. Do what AK is doing to file lockers. Is there anything stopping you?

The only one "criticizing" is you attacking AK. Stop asking why a guy who originally stated in the thread title that he is going to kill off File Lockers why he isn't killing tube sites.

Looks to me like his hands are full at the moment.

Help him out and go after the tube sites yourself.

to the top

Stop making sense!

The raw hard facts demonstrate that they are not worse, file lockers and torrents are worse.

Is there a lot of free porn on tubes ? Yes absolutely.

Is there more pirated porn on tubes than file lockers ? Not even close.


You make the assumption that all the porn on tubes is pirated. This is incorrect.

Tubes only get a fraction of the DMCA take down notices that file lockers and torrent trackers get. The reason for this is that the large tubes licence enormous amounts of content, partner accounts account for a large number of uploads to tube sites and the portion of piracy is relatively small.

It is fact that most of the large file lockers operating are well planned out criminal conspiracies to commit commercial copyright infringement and to defraud users in several cases. Almost none of the content being shared on these sites is legally shared.


When I started this project Netload, Hotfile and Deposit Files were in the top 500 on Alexa, now they have all dropped significantly since we have hit them and cut of their payment systems forcing them to adopt less user friendly payment options.

Rapidshare was even higher than that, however we brought about a situation where so much pressure was placed on the relationship between Rapidshare and Paypal that Rapidshare was forced to become more like a cloud storage provider and reduce the amount of piracy it harboured.

Hotfile was one of the biggest offenders and by proving the link between Hotfile and piracy/illegal content we were able to bring about the loss of Hotfile's Paypal account, something the movie studios weren't even able to do.

Unlike the largest tubes, none of the content shared by these file lockers is licensed.

The DMCA records of Google speak for themselves.

NETLOAD.IN

Total Requests: 6,286
Median Requests per Week: 75

URLs Requested to be Removed: 370,183
% Indexed URLs < 5%
Median URLs per Week: 2,960

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 27, 2011

XHAMSTER.COM

Total Requests: 532
Median Requests per Week: 5

URLs Requested to be Removed: 11,091
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 42

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Sep 2, 2011

If we look at these statistics dealing with only porn takedowns they become clearer

NETLOAD.IN: 129,572 DMCA notices relating to porn
XHAMSTER.COM: 9,492 DMCA notices relating to porn (yes people upload non porn to tubes)

As you compared Rapidgator to Pornhub lets run the same comparison.

RAPIDGATOR.COM

Total Requests: 19,563
Median Requests per Week: 307

URLs Requested to be Removed: 1,836,670
% Indexed URLs < 10%
Median URLs per Week: 14,173

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Feb 19, 2012

PORNHUB.COM

Total Requests: 817
Median Requests per Week: 7

URLs Requested to be Removed: 21,765
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 113

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 2, 2011

Now lets normalise the figures accounting for only Porn takedowns

RAPIDGATOR: 479,771
PORNHUB.COM: 20,001

No, you don't and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what has been explained all the way through this thread either. The fact is that the quantity of DMCA notices issued against the big DMCA compliant tubes pales in comparison to the quantity of DMCA notices issued to file lockers.

The fact is, that there is a lot of free porn on tubes. However that does not mean that they are worse when it comes to copyright infringement than file lockers, in fact they don't even come close.

Torrents and File Lockers are a far greater threat to intellectual property than the largest DMCA compliant tubes.