There are people who are on your nuts, and then there are people who are ON YOUR NUTS. :1orglaugh

How do they taste? Hope my pubes are not getting caught in your mouth.

We'll unashamedly take contributions from anyone and use them to further our efforts. No contribution made to us comes with conditions and if it did I wouldn't accept it.

Regardless, contributions to this effort have fallen well short of meeting the costs of it, I've already posted a very detailed account of where our costs lay, if you're really interested go back in the thread and read it.

AK is moving forward. Anyone and everyone is free to donate as much or little as they want. The only people who have a problem with Manwin donating to the cause is other pirates. I have 15 years worth of content, send DMCAs to Manwin properties more than I would like to, believe they have done a lot of destruction to the industry, and still have zero problems with them donating. Why? Because AK is getting shit done. Almost all of the pirates who used to rip my DVDs are now out of business and offline. If Manwin paid for that, kudos to them. Mission accomplished. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

People who actually own intellectual property do not have any problems with AK, what he is doing, or how he is funded. That is a fact. Upload monkeys, tube owners, and other pirates... well, it is clear why so many of you are concerned. But don't worry, you'll all get your day. It's coming. And Manwin is probably going to help fund your demise. :1orglaugh

Simple. It's a lot harder to find infringing content on tube sites. Think about it. File lockers brand the content so that it is easily found and thus drives the traffic to their site. It's a lot harder to search a tube size go XYZ content than it is to search XYZ content on a file locker.. It's all about keywords, links, and exposure.

Next is the affiliate program. File lockers offer more incentive for people to spread links with clearly defined titles, tags, and explanation of what the content is vs a tube site which has "Blonde chick taking it in the Ass".

Also, the scope of file lockers is much larger. With file lockers you can pirate anything. With tube sites it is limited to video content. The ability to pirate different content doesn't mean that the download of that content surpasses a tube site which gets millions of hits per day.

When you take the above in to consideration along with the fact you've been focusing on File lockers, that would explain why more DMCA notices get noticed with file lockers than they do with tube sites.

Come on, You can't really be this stupid to ignore what is clearly visible, unless, of course, you are in the pockets of well known piracy tube sites. How much is manwin paying you to divert attention away from tube sites?

DWEEB you actually think that manwin don't own a file share site hehehe what a joker.
if so your clueless.


:1orglaugh

If, as you claim infringing content is harder to find on tube sites, then how are you so sure that tube sites are more of a problem than file lockers, torrents, forums and other piracy sites ?

Seriously, you don't think detection methods are more sophisticated than that ?

How do you know ?

We get plenty of DMCA notices relating to torrents, forums and other sites, all exceeding the number we get relating to tubes, also Google isn't focussed on one type of piracy site, look at the Google Transparency reports for tubes vs torrent trackers, tubes vs forums, tubes vs file lockers etc and you will see that tubes are the least problematic.

Do you really think that companies like Remove Your Content, Degban, Take Down Piracy and so on are just missing all the content you say is being pirated on tubes ? The fact is they all report piracy on tubes, just not to the same extent as they report to Google on file lockers, torrent sites, forums and so on.

I am not saying tubes aren't an issue, what I am saying is that they were the wrong first priority for an anti piracy effort to start with. We chose file lockers, it was the right choice.

I can understand why you would keep pushing this line however you are wrong. It's a convenient argument for you because you would like us to stop what we are doing now. You will say anything if you think it will harm our effort. Well I have news for you, it hasn't and it won't.

Which file sharing site do they own ? Enlighten us.

you are correct. but in such case i would like his content to use as filler, or just give away for free myself. but i suspect thats a no go...

the length people will go, and the justifications they have, just to watch some porn for free is amazing.

Who saying they don't? It is only logical they own traffic sources in all areas of piracy, tubes, torrents, and lockers. A company who makes so much money off of piracy is not going to stop at one form of it. And if they shut every single locker down in the universe but theirs, then so be it. Then it becomes a manageable easy target. I'd rather deal with Manwin who quickly removes content when you send a DMCA than 10,000 dick heads like you who don't or make it difficult.

However, since you know the facts, please enlighten us all and show us which ones and I'll go out of my way to gather the proper evidence so that AK can hit them with everything he has. Of course we both know you can't and won't, so I'm not even sure why I asked. But thanks for getting on the DWB deez nutz train with the rest of the anonymous trolls. If you can round up a few more we can do the choo-choo. All aboard!!!!!

:2 cents: It's painfully obvious who is involved in what by watching them post over and over as if they are going to change anyone's mind, stop AK, or stop him from taking donations from certain companies. It's a broken record. Pure comedy.

It's all relational. I think for our business the tube site is generally the bigger problem than the rest, not to say that the rest aren't a problem.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/xvideos.com <- ranked 50th in the world.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rapidshare.com <-- Ranked 212th in the the world.

Which do you think has more of a global reach? The numbers don't lie. Does xvideos have SOME licensed content? Possibly. Are all 2.4 million scenes licensed? Highly doubtful. I would venture to say that you could add up all the traffic from those 600 sites and they probably still wouldn't come close to what a single well known tube site does. Furthermore, tube sites are about one single thing. Free porn. File lockers and the rest of the list you you cited deal in more than that. I would think that they're bigger in the 'warez' scene than in the porn, though, everyone has their speciality.

No. If the content ain't published somewhere and you can't find it then you won't know whether its being pirated or not. Maybe you're hacking file lockers and taking their database to be able to see what it is that they're hosting on their system? The only way file lockers is make money is by exposing their links to draw surfers in to downloading (and possibly paying to download).

See Above.

See the what i wrote above. How do you think people find the content in the first place? Searches are done. Content is found. DMCAs are sent.

So you think all those companies are 100% effective and that none of the tube sites contain any stolen content and that each DMCA request is honoured within a timely fashion and that the content in question never returns?


You should get a nice fat 'donation' from manwin for your diversion tactics! :)

Rapidshare was the most popular file locker you could find ? You obviously have no idea or are simply trolling.

There are five file lockers much bigger in traffic than RapidShare.

You are still confusing the free porn argument with the piracy argument.

However let's play along with your viewpoint, what would you do about all of this ?

I've asked you how you would go about an anti piracy effort, I've asked you what you would do that we aren't doing, you won't answer.



But you still confuse two different arguments. Yes tubes have lots of free porn, however how much of that is infringing ? You can't say, because you don't have a clue.

Nice try, we're not about to reveal our methods to you.

You have a rather primitive understanding of the ways in which infringement can be detected, but that's good, you don't need to know how it's done.

But you are trying to say that they are mostly ineffective, which is not the case. Even if they were 20% effective they would find more than 5% infringement on tubes if all the piracy you say is on tubes was actually there.

Your assertions are false. I've said it time and time again, nobody influences what we do.

Ok notjoe, it's put up or shut up time.

What would you be doing ?

We have limited resources and a huge problem to work on. How would you do it ?

AK, when you started your campaign and were doing it on your own dime and effort I had no questions whatsoever. Yeah, I didn't like it and don't think this is a solution to a problem, but at least you were clear, and everything was straightforward. But when I saw that you've targeted PayPal accounts of various hosts but excluded Crocko and Hotfile and then you turned this into a money making enterprise and started to aggressively advertise it, questions sure popped up right away and I think (and I don't think I'm alone) since you are taking money from content producers and having them sign their rights to you, you should be able to clearly respond to those.

Let me do this in orderly fashion:

1. FilePost. This is what you've said before: gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19052337&postcount=1176
So, what is the update on this? All I can see is that Filepost is operating exactly as they were. They have a hidden affiliate program which is an elegant solution previously employed by late FileSonic (ownership? ties?), here: filepost.com/blog/post/82/
Did you advice them to present it like this? Your negotiations with them, what was the result?
It didn't take me long to find one: porn-w.org/topic4975004.html
Comment?

2. Crocko. You said that you are going to fight hosts with affiliate programs especially aggressively. You keep saying that "Crocko is in the works" yet somehow it is hard to believe. I just can't believe that a much larger host like Depositfiles lost their PayPal and Crocko still stands? This either proves that you either can't do shit to no one unless other parties want it or that you are being paid off by Crocko to leave them alone or even help them.

3. Hotfile. You keep saying that Hotfile is in front of courts and there is no point in chasing them? What a load of crap. Hotfile was created by ex Tube8 owner (we know who owns it now), Hotfile started this whole thing you are fighting against. They have PayPal and an open affiliate program. So what is they are facing legal woes? They are making truckloads of money to pay for top attorneys. Why not cut their PayPal and let them die in court?

You can talk tough all you want and certain people may carry you and your high horse in the light of fame but all the big players are still around, working as usual (may be with little issues) and some are doing BETTER than ever.

Hey freakfiles...why don't YOU do something to stop piracy? Let me know how it goes! We're all waiting for you and notjoe to get to work. :)

Great thread !

Yeah, that's exactly why i don't like this guy. His fucked up attitude. Every person who is not 100% agreeing with him will be called a pirate and a thief. Very annoying behaviour. And his buttbudies will do the same. Just like they will be all over me because of this post. It's quite a sad group of people.

Any sane person can see how just one big tube has more impact than all the filelockers combined. Any sane person but Adultking for some reason. And i still wonder why.
We will find out about his real motives sooner or later.

Exactly, i used to chat on icq with Robert and then decided to post on here too, but i was called a pirate when i replied saying that torrents are bigger headaches... :1orglaugh

To make the long story short, what AK is doing doesn't affect piracy, nothing has changed since June, i know you are going to say you have terminated xxxx of file lockers blah blah but the pirate is still able to download and distribute our stuff on torrents for free!!

Last month you said you guyz made some progress to fight against torrents, but nothing yet. Oh one more thing, Where are the domain seizings ? didn't you said its not that difficult for you and i shouldn't bet on this?

I started to believe that you don't give a fuck about piracy in gerneral. Don't say that what can i do!! since you are accepting "donations" from manwin you should fight against all kind of piracy UNLESS you contract for accepting donations from manwin was signed otherwise hehe

Thanks

:2 cents: I'll bet you $1000 neither of them will do anything other than keep posting in this thread. But with a name like "FreakFiles" I'll also bet you that he has something to do with piracy.

Here is the problem Franck, why whould anyone care if it is not affecting their business?

Really think about that for a moment before you answer. This isn't like cross sales where it could have an impact on your business, and you had/have every right to flip out about those, as it affected YOU and other honest people in the business. But piracy... why do you or anyone else care what rights holders are doing and the attitude and tactics they have to use to get the job done IF it is not affecting you? Why do you care what methods are used, who supports it, and how it has to be done if you're not involved?

I'm not trying to jump all over, I'm just trying to logically explain why it doesn't make sense for ANYONE to worry about what AK is doing unless they are directly affected. That means either you are trolling, hating, or supporting piracy. Otherwise you wouldn't care enough to keep coming into this thread and posting negative comments or questing the motives of someone who does not affect you in any way, shape or form. So which is it? I don't believe you support piracy, so are you just hating or trolling?

So you don't like his attitude, that's great, why do you care if his attitude does not affect your business? Would you prefer a push-over bro who can be bought to look over certain sites and make back room deals? Because that is what you would get. AK needs to be firm and just, and if that means he comes off as having a bad attitude towards those of you who are not even involved with what he is doing, then again, WHY DO YOU CARE?

Trolling, hating, or supporting piracy. It comes down to one of those three for each and every one of you who are busting his balls. At least with you and that ass hat with the feeds in his sig, people know who you are. Everyone else can kick rocks.


On the surface this may appear to be true but if you really knew a lot about piracy and what is going on, you wouldn't make that comment, because it is not accurate.

1) Tubes are VERY manageable.

2) Tubes quickly reply to DMCA notices. Many of them now give producers take down access so no DMCA has to be sent. Instant removals.

3) Most smaller tubes scrape the larger tubes so as you remove the video from the large tube it kills the video across countless smaller ones.

4) Most of the larger tube sites are licensing content and have 10s of 1000s of legal scenes already, not to mention legal scenes uploaded by the content owners.

5) There are already multiple companies who are sending DMCAs to tube sites on behalf of content owners.

YES more eyes are on tubes, but many of them are moving quickly to be more legit as they see the writing on the wall.

If you want to argue about which is worse for FREE PORN, tubes or lockers, tubes would win that argument hands down. But that is not the debate. The debate is about PIRACY, and currently file lockers DWARF tubes for piracy (illegal content) and it is a hell of a lot more difficult to deal with permanent content removal on a locker.

Last, you are free, just like everyone else is, to start your own movement or company to go after whoever you see fit, by whatever rules you want to play by. No one is stopping you.

And then what? Are you going to make a bunch of internet threads about it? That will show him!

AK now has support from a lot of large companies, I don't think anyone is worried about what you are the other naysayers in this thread have to say, especially since you're not even involved.

That is complete bullshit and if you had skin in the game you would know it. Most pirates who were pirating my content, dick heads who I could never stop before, are now almost all out of business and their sites are offline, thanks to AK. Sales have not been this good for us in four years and I give a lot of that thanks to anti-piracy efforts.

Stop your feet harder, maybe that will speed things along. Or, you can do something yourself instead of crying about it.

It's called having a well thought out plan, dumb ass. I understand most of you who want a scatter shot approach probably live a life that is the same, one cluster fuck after another, unable to focus on anything, but those who are successful plan their work and work their plan. You want no plan, which would cause failure. Maybe that is how you live your life, but that is not what is happening here. And if you had any sense whatsoever, you would see the larger picture and perhaps be privy to the long term goals.

Personally, I don't care even if Manwin paid him to kill all of their competition. Like I said before, I'd rather deal with one Manwin than one thousand of you idiots who try to skirt the law every chance you get and hide behind offshore hosting accounts who ignore DMCA requests.

It boggles my mind how shallow and short minded some of you are. It is no wonder most people are failing at online businesses and at life in general. If you had something proud to represent and were successful, you wouldn't have to hide behind a fake nick all the time or you would at least let people know who you are. It may just have a little more impact than posting like a scared bitch.

That's good for you! If you really see changes then i am happy, but i guess this is what someone says when having "stop file lockers" written on HER signature.

Anyway i give no fuck about your file locker shits, i was just trying to open up your eyes so you can go after torrents sites since you guyz are working against piracy.

The irony is that AK has mentioned that anyone who derives profits from online piracy will be directly dealt with, so what are you getting from manwin isn't derived from piracy ?

You need to clarify some facts so we can decide whether or not you are working against piracy, or you are working for pirates to work against piracy :)

Who is this "we" you speak of?

Do YOU have skin in the game?

And does whatever conclusion you may or may not come to matter to anybody?

*yawn*

I don't think anyone was aware of torrents until you just brought it up. Thanks for the heads up. We'll attack at dawn.

You do understand that Manwin isn't 100% in the piracy business, right? Brazzers, Mofos, RK, Webcams.com, Playboy, Digital Playground, Wicked, and so on. Piracy is only one part of their massive global company. I don't care for Manwin, but I tell it like it is and those are the facts.

But since you want to talk about their piracy side, if anyone should be giving back to fight piracy, it should be them. They have profited plenty from piracy so it is fair and fitting they use some of that money and fight piracy, even if it is ironic. However, this is the same company who paid for a huge building size ad in New York city promoting condom use, then spent God knows how much money recently in LA to fight the condom law. Hypocrisy is their middle name. No one should really be surprised.

I don't need to clarify anything. All you need to know is that I'm a content owner, have been for 15 years, and do what I have to do to keep a handle on the piracy of my content. If that means using Manwin or anyone else as a method to rid the world of the people who steal from me, then that is what I'll do. If AK is the middle man for that, so be it. I'm in this for results, however they have to be made, however ugly it has to be done. Those are the only facts that need to be known.

I am still doing this on my own dime and my own effort.

We also have people who have contributed time and money voluntarily.

There is a core group of people working behind the scenes, around the clock, shutting down piracy and every week Nautilus posts more sites terminated or completely offline as a result.

Why should I bear the entire cost of shutting down the piracy problem affecting rights holders ?

No we haven't excluded Crocko or Hotfile. To say that we have is untrue.

We are not making money, we set fees for represented rights holders to help us recover costs but we're a long way from recovering the costs of this campaign.

I have contributed more than anyone to this project and you have no right to question anything as you are not a contributor and you are not in our constituency.

FilePost are a current target of operations and we don't discuss operational matters.

Crocko are a current target of operations and we don't discuss operational matters.

HotFile is the subject of an ongoing legal action, once that legal action is complete we will re-assess the situation.

And this is why we need more rights holders to come on board and be represented by us, however you will peddle your lies and untruths as much as you can in the hope that you can stop or derail our efforts. It won't work.

There is no hidden agenda, no conspiracy, nothing untoward is going on.

Let me make this patently clear. Right at this moment we are going after file lockers, we have just started going after forums, then we will move on to torrent trackers, blogs, tubes and other forms of commercial piracy.

Ok here's a challenge, email us at [email protected] and tell us who you are and what content you own, I'll get you represented for just $1.00 for the first year and then when we start targeting torrent trackers we will be able to begin to mitigate your piracy problem.

You people can sit on the sidelines booing our efforts all you like, it's not going to stop what we are doing and just makes me more determined to crush commercial piracy where-ever we can.

Can't wait to hear the excuses now.

Why, because it's such a great deal?

$1 is not a deal? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I knew it wouldn't take long.

But I guess for those who still live at home with their mom or don't actually own content in the first place, even $1 is too much.

stop feeding the trolls. silence will annoy even more.

Represent me for what? I have already said that what you are doing doesn't affect me or piracy in general and this is why i am telling you to give some attention to torrents if you are really interested in piracy and not bullshit games between pirates. Here is the deal, you give a visit to rarbg.com/torrents.php?category=4 check that there is indeed illegal content, you take them down like you do with file lockers(4000 dead ones until now?) and i will make sure to sign a contract with you so you can always represent me and hand out even more sites like this!
Let's see what you have to say!!

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Oh and btw i am not asking you to stop what you are doing, i am asking you to do what you say in the public, fight against piracy (torrents, usenet, tubes, fileshiters )and not fight against file lockers which are competitors or whatever people here say about tube and shits!

Nice! Downloading some now.

Adultking, when are you gonna take thepiratebay down?

I'm not sure what part of "Killing Off File Lockers" you monkeys don't understand. It is clear your reading comprehension skills are very poor, but nowhere does it say "Killing Off All Piracy." It has never said that. AK has never said that is what "Killing Off File Lockers" means.

Were you all dropped on your heads as kids or something? 80 pages of and a few months "Killing Off File Lockers" and you dummies are still crying about piracy other than file lockers. AK has already said probably no less than 100 times that there is a long term plan but right now the focus is file lockers. Read that a few million times until it sinks in. I don't know what language you speak as your first language, but in English "file locker" does not mean "torrent" or "tube." It means "file locker."

No wonder so many of you hide behind anonymous nicks. You are, as Franck likes to say, "imbeciles" with kindergarten level reading skills.

That said, troll on! Your posts are at least entertaining and it keeps bumping the thread, which in turns brings more pirate shit stain haters, who in turn keep bumping the thread and keeping us all entertained.

Hey, keep me out of this.

But it's such a great word. It really delivers.

Not only that, I don't see (if his actions upset them so much) why anyone "trolling" doesn't just silently appreciate that no file lockers of consequence have been killed off (yet) and piracy hasn't been curbed in any significant way by the efforts of this thread.

Their dissent, for whatever reason has kept the thread alive.

Why are you such a loser asshole?

Hindu's in motion

New sites,

There are two new porn forums
softcore-sharing.com/
hd4porno.com/

AK I'm not so sure it's worth while arguing with the trolls. Isn't your time and effort better focused elsewhere?

:1orglaugh

These are not just trolls, at least not all of them.

And I find this "trolling" very informative.:upsidedow

Here's how it works. You sign a representation agreement and then we can work on shutting rarbg.com down. Unless rights holders become represented there is nothing we can do for them with a site like this.

If your content is indeed being pirated then I would think you'd take any steps necessary to try to mitigate that.

Email [email protected] and we'll get you set up.

Thank you AK, you have just proved my point (and that of many sane people around here that question your motives).

So what do we get here, you're claiming that for money, you will start killing a site, any site.

When asked about your ideological enemies such as Crocko and Hotfile (who should be easy enough for you to "kill") you come up with the biggest pile of horse shit world has ever seen like "... current target of operations and we don't discuss operational matters." I mean WTF does that mean? Any question gets ignored, any person doubting you gets labeled a "pirate".

Simple logic that tubes are the real problem for this industry (Tube8 at one time was almost number 1 in Alexa) is rejected by you.

You are nothing but a paid whore. Who's your John be it Manwin or other tube owners doesn't really matter. You haven't done shit (600 hosts that don't even pop up in alexa don't count), you can't do shit apart from shooting emails to payment providers and if by any chance (highly unlikely) you are who you say you are you will fail and stop doing this as this venue is pointless and it is not a solution.

Your representation is bullshit as well, all you can really do with that is yet again shoot some emails all over the place on their behalf and that's it.

Check out what your fellow countrymen have to say: youtube.com/watch?v=yoPxT4Be56c

In half a year, I'll come back to this thread and all the major players will be out there and I would be curious to see what you'll have to say then.