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Mutt 11-28-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19336278)
Point out the ironic part please.

Because 99% of JAV programs have no license or ownership of the thousands of DVDs in their paysites. Ask JAVBucks for any legal document they can provide to show they have legal rights to 5 random DVDs on their sites.

Dirty F 11-28-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19336285)
Because 99% of JAV programs have no license or ownership of the thousands of DVDs in their paysites. Ask JAVBucks for any legal document they can provide to show they have legal rights to 5 random DVDs on their sites.

I fail to see the connection to the post you quoted. And then ofcourse also the ironic part.

BlackAndBlue 11-28-2012 02:36 PM

Bumping for what AK is doing . . . also because reading this https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1090574 disturbed me.

I can't believe how many program owners are lining up to give someone they admittedly hardly know, member area access to "cut promo clips" for a new "tube site".

Does everyone really think it will only be five minute clips being cut for tube promotion of YOUR site, once you give someone full member access?

DamianJ 11-28-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19336278)
Point out the ironic part please.

I blame Alanis.

AdultKing 11-28-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19336214)
What you mean what's left?
99% is left. The only thing you did was stop a few minor lockers nobody has heard of before. The big ones do more traffic in a day than those small ones in a year.

Actually less than half is left. You obviously have no understanding of the file locker eco system. All these "minor" file lockers accounted for huge amounts of infringement, many were specialised in certain types of content and hit smaller niche rights holders very hard.

We have also seen, time and time again, unknown small file lockers become huge problems. It takes no more than a few months for a small file locker to become a massive problem.

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Your work has had no impact whatsoever. There is not one less pirate. I doubt there's even one less locker as they just keep building them. Your lists of paypal removals from obscure lockers looks nice every time you post it but in reality nothing has changed. Absolutely nothing.
You can say this one thousand times, it does not make it true. We know for a fact that several large file lockers we have impacted are now failing.

Sites like Netload are scrambling trying to find new payment processing as we keep disrupting their monetization. If they cannot find a stable, reliable form of payment processing then eventually they will run out of cash and server bills will go unpaid.

Others have lost hosting and all of their files due to law enforcement raids and are now struggling to re-establish themselves.

We are also well advanced on other punitive measures to take out some of the larger players, we need to become more representative of rights holders to carry out those measures, which is why we are working to sign up rights holders.

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I'm not saying this to attack you or anything. Just wondering wth you are talking about when you say "what's left". Everything is left. You removed maybe 1%. Actually i doubt it's that much.
Less than half is left, we have made it almost impossible for new file lockers to start up as we cull them right at the beginning when they are easy to kill off. As for the larger remaining players, read above, it takes time for cashed up sites to run out of money, but running out of money they are.

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Originally Posted by AlDeNiro (Post 19336272)
You are writing again and again "free porn", meaning it is not a piracy... so what is it? Be honest, tube sites is a problem too.

Tubes have lots of free porn, no doubt about it. Consumers wanting a quick fix can easily surf to a tube site and get satisfied with a wide selection of content. The question, however, is how much of that content is infringing ?

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And you forgot about their monetization... All tube sites have premium areas with HD or some other extra features. They are using popular adult payment gateways btw.
Can you point to an example of a tube charging for access to pirated content ? If so forward the details to us.

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So, it was a bad news you are working with them, thinking they are legal and will not fight against after file sharing sites.
We're not working with tubes, we're not working with any vested interests in content delivery other than copyright rights holders.


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Don't protect thiefs. Free distribution doesn't mean "legal". Regarding dmca requests on google - they have another distribution model - no need to post links to video anywhere on the net, anyone can go on tube site and watch what he wants.
We don't protect thieves. The distrubution model has nothing to do with DMCA takedowns. All DMCA takedowns are accompanied by full URL's to identify infringing content.

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That is why you can't find any link with your video with google or it's much harder. It's like YouTube, but with stolen content and without detection tools for copyright owners, of course md5 check is not working here, 'cause video can be converted from HD to lower quality with huge amount of settings.
You're demonstrating a complete misunderstanding of how DMCA works, all DMCA requests need to identify the infringing content, URL's to the content are the usual form of this.

Many large tubes use technologies like Vobile and other types of fingerprinting, recently Pink Visual offered to fingerprint content for rights holders for free, I believe the uptake of that offer was quite low.

We will get to the stage where we start taking tubes to task for any infringement on their services however we cannot get there until we have finished off the file lockers project and brought it to a stage where we can easily manage what is left.

Rights holders can help us speed up the process by coming on board, entering into a rights holder representation agreement with us, so we can work to enforce your copyright and bring copyright infringers to task.

Barefootsies 11-28-2012 08:18 PM

$6842.50 (53 contributors)

Ending December 5th

:Oh crap

Nautilus 11-28-2012 08:21 PM

Dear rights holders,

All who applied during the last several days will get their agreements today. Please sign your agreement and send it back to Copycontrol. All who didn't apply please do that now and support the anti-piracy fight - as AK has said above we need to be more representative in order to kill the remaining payment options which file lockers who survived the storm so far are using now. Do not let them to rebuild, get represented and let AK to finish them off (using copies of your DMCAs and your representation agreements as a weapon).

Get represented!
http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

bean-aid 11-28-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19337368)
$6842.50 (53 contributors)

Ending December 5th

:Oh crap

It's just a fundraiser script that needed an end date.

http://www.ballbusting.mobi/images/fundraiser.jpg

I think your post eluded to the end of the movement on December 5th and that is not true at all.

Chip in button on stopfilelockers.com home page.

That number can be a lot higher with some people chipping in.

Tjeezers 11-29-2012 03:11 AM

Let me give this a bump.

But a question in general, cause I like to know about the Tube sites, knowing a lot of people inc me find this a damaging concept killing of a lot of revenue masters.... When are those tube sites going to be regulated?

I ask this cause I think webcam revenue masters have known for a long time now they earnings of a tube is not for the paysites, but for the live cam sites they advertise on the side. Knowing AWE is kicking balls with their rankings thanks to tubes, and this has indirect hurt a lot of veteran revenue masters

AdultKing 11-29-2012 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 19337765)
Let me give this a bump.

But a question in general, cause I like to know about the Tube sites, knowing a lot of people inc me find this a damaging concept killing of a lot of revenue masters.... When are those tube sites going to be regulated?

There are two distinct issues with tubes and many people confuse the two issues, which is not helpful; these are free porn and piracy.

If tubes are legally publishing content that's either licensed, owned or freely given to tubes by programs wanting publicity then that's fine. Many of the larger tubes own or license a whole lot of content. Nothing we can do about that, they're not breaking any laws by publishing licensed content and making it available for free.

If tubes are pirating content then we are interested in that and would encourage rights holders to send us copies of all their DMCA notices to [email protected]

As of now, we receive very few infringement reports about tubes, most of the infringement reports we receive relate to file lockers, forums, torrents and other websites.

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I ask this cause I think webcam revenue masters have known for a long time now they earnings of a tube is not for the paysites, but for the live cam sites they advertise on the side. Knowing AWE is kicking balls with their rankings thanks to tubes, and this has indirect hurt a lot of veteran revenue masters
If you have evidence of infringement by any site then let us know. Right now my main gripe with AWE is that they support piracy websites of all sorts, often forums and blogs. We intend to take them to task over this.

JuicyBunny 12-02-2012 03:04 AM

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DWB 12-02-2012 03:12 AM

up....up....

Dirty F 12-02-2012 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19337782)
There are two distinct issues with tubes and many people confuse the two issues, which is not helpful; these are free porn and piracy.

If tubes are legally publishing content that's either licensed, owned or freely given to tubes by programs wanting publicity then that's fine. Many of the larger tubes own or license a whole lot of content. Nothing we can do about that, they're not breaking any laws by publishing licensed content and making it available for free.

If tubes are pirating content then we are interested in that and would encourage rights holders to send us copies of all their DMCA notices to [email protected]

As of now, we receive very few infringement reports about tubes, most of the infringement reports we receive relate to file lockers, forums, torrents and other websites.



If you have evidence of infringement by any site then let us know. Right now my main gripe with AWE is that they support piracy websites of all sorts, often forums and blogs. We intend to take them to task over this.

Amazing how you keep dodging these questions by coming up with shit like this. EVERYBODY and his dog knows that tons of HUGE tubes are FULL of stolen content. Everybody know this! There is one person on this board acting like he has no clue this is going on and that's you. I wonder why.

Dirty F 12-02-2012 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19337782)

If you have evidence of infringement by any site then let us know..

This is hilarious!

And you still wonder why people think you have a hidden agenda??

I'm amazed how anybody can think you don't.

Dirty F 12-02-2012 06:38 AM

Something seriously stinks about this guy. He refuses to do something about the big filelockers. You know, the ones that have 1000 times more stolen content. And tubes are a minor issue according to him. You know, tubes that host insane amounts of stolen content and get more traffic than all the filelockers combined.

vollenweider 12-02-2012 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19342829)
Something seriously stinks about this guy. He refuses to do something about the big filelockers. You know, the ones that have 1000 times more stolen content. And tubes are a minor issue according to him. You know, tubes that host insane amounts of stolen content and get more traffic than all the filelockers combined.

So what you are saying is AK is manwins bitch?
One question, anybody here remember the facts of filesonic and the big tubes, paysites? :pimp

AdultKing 12-02-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19342824)
Amazing how you keep dodging these questions by coming up with shit like this. EVERYBODY and his dog knows that tons of HUGE tubes are FULL of stolen content. Everybody know this! There is one person on this board acting like he has no clue this is going on and that's you. I wonder why.

I don't dispute there is stolen content on tubes, however it's not a problem of the scale of file lockers and torrents.

It's actually you who has his head in the sand, completely oblivious to the scale of the problem with file lockers and torrents and their respective eco-systems.


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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19342829)
Something seriously stinks about this guy. He refuses to do something about the big filelockers. You know, the ones that have 1000 times more stolen content. And tubes are a minor issue according to him. You know, tubes that host insane amounts of stolen content and get more traffic than all the filelockers combined.

Please show me a tube with hundreds of site rips of entire sites.

The fact is that tubes do not account for the majority of stolen content, they don't even come in 2nd or 3rd place for infringements, in fact they represent about 5% of the infringements we receive copies of notices for.

Add to that the fact that file lockers have a very low compliance rate for takedown notices and most tubes have a very high compliance rate.

Unlike you I am not going to make up wildly exaggerated statistics to further my arguments. You claim they have 1000 times more stolen content than file lockers which is simply untrue, file lockers account for the majority of infringement followed closely by torrents.


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Originally Posted by vollenweider (Post 19342925)
So what you are saying is AK is manwins bitch?
One question, anybody here remember the facts of filesonic and the big tubes, paysites? :pimp

It's clear you don't support what we are doing, you have made it abudantly clear in the eight posts you have made on GFY. In fact you joined this forum for the sole intention of bagging our work.

bean-aid 12-03-2012 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19342829)
Something seriously stinks about this guy. He refuses to do something about the big filelockers. You know, the ones that have 1000 times more stolen content. And tubes are a minor issue according to him. You know, tubes that host insane amounts of stolen content and get more traffic than all the filelockers combined.

Which ones again?

What's your deal? You do realize we are almost in 2013 now right?

I know you remember 2008, 2009... *days of ripping content and making tubes*

Things kinda have changed now... companies have been buying programs for 2 cents on the dollar... lol... and no longer are pirates or stealing.

But do not forget that stealing evolves... and this thread... and what AK is doing... is shutting the traps of filelocker theft. If you don't know... you can pay $9.95 for most filelockers that mean a shit and download 1000's of programs content. I don't mean 1000 downloads, I mean 1000 programs content. 100,000's of totally pirated content for 9.95 per month.

So please Frank, shut your trap. It is no longer 2008.

epitome 12-03-2012 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue (Post 19336898)
Bumping for what AK is doing . . . also because reading this https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1090574 disturbed me.

I can't believe how many program owners are lining up to give someone they admittedly hardly know, member area access to "cut promo clips" for a new "tube site".

Does everyone really think it will only be five minute clips being cut for tube promotion of YOUR site, once you give someone full member access?

And what is stopping them from just buying that access and doing the same thing? If they are cutting promo clips then they are an affiliate and will lose their account the second they get caught doing what they say they won't.

That's why you employ companies like Porn Guardian to protect you content. You can avoid giving out a single pass and still have rampant piracy.

Why throw away all those potential sales when someone may he doing something shady when any paid member can be doing the same thing?

You have to see the big picture or you will always be a small timer.

epitome 12-03-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19342829)
Something seriously stinks about this guy. He refuses to do something about the big filelockers. You know, the ones that have 1000 times more stolen content. And tubes are a minor issue according to him. You know, tubes that host insane amounts of stolen content and get more traffic than all the filelockers combined.

Where do you get these facts from?

I just glanced at our Porn Guardian stats and file lockers are a much larger problem and we may have a 40% take down rate with a locker while it is 90-95% for tubes except for one particular one that has already been sued many times.

DWB 12-03-2012 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19344116)
Where do you get these facts from?

I just glanced at our Porn Guardian stats and file lockers are a much larger problem and we may have a 40% take down rate with a locker while it is 90-95% for tubes except for one particular one that has already been sued many times.

Like most others complaining, he doesn't have any.

vollenweider 12-03-2012 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19343791)
It's clear you don't support what we are doing, you have made it abudantly clear in the eight posts you have made on GFY. In fact you joined this forum for the sole intention of bagging our work.

Ok so you want me to sign an agreement with you so you go after torrent sites, right?
One question, when you started to go after the shit lockers did you ask anyone to sign any agreement? why do you even need my agreement when there are thousands of TB of pirated adult and non-adult material on those torrent sites?

You know that i don't support your methodologies, and you are still using the excuse of representation as your weapon to ignore the torrents because you know that sites like rarbg.com do not have any source of income like paypal and shits!! got where i want to conclude? I am not saying that you should stop going after file shiters, but at the same time work against torrents and other forms of piracy since you have established good relations with manwin and they are supporting what you are doing!

DWB 12-03-2012 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by vollenweider (Post 19344238)
Ok so you want me to sign an agreement with you so you go after torrent sites, right?
One question, when you started to go after the shit lockers did you ask anyone to sign any agreement? why do you even need my agreement when there are thousands of TB of pirated adult and non-adult material on those torrent sites?

You know that i don't support your methodologies, and you are still using the excuse of representation as your weapon to ignore the torrents because you know that sites like rarbg.com do not have any source of income like paypal and shits!! got where i want to conclude? I am not saying that you should stop going after file shiters, but at the same time work against torrents and other forms of piracy since you have established good relations with manwin and they are supporting what you are doing!

Wu Xing...

AdultKing 12-03-2012 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by vollenweider (Post 19344238)
Ok so you want me to sign an agreement with you so you go after torrent sites, right?

If you're a content owner then fill out this form

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

and we'll execute an agreement with you.

If you're not a content rights holder then get out of this thread, it doesn't concern you (unless you're actually a pirate).

Nautilus 12-03-2012 07:03 AM

This week's terminations log:

Boltsharing.com (filehost) terminated by Paypal (again)
Zuzufile.com (filehost) terminated by Paypal
Filetug.com (filehost) terminated by Paypal
Boomupload.net (filehost) terminated by Paypal
Share76.com (filehost) terminated by Paypal
4up.me (filehost) terminated by OKPay
4up.im (filehost) terminated by OKPay
1-upload.com (filehost) terminated by Payza
4fastfile.com (filehost) terminated by Payza
Cramit.in (filehost) terminated by Paypal (again)
Filerose.com (filehost) terminated by Onepay.vn
Hellupload.com (filehost) terminated by Payu.pl
Extmatrix.com (filehost) terminated by Avangate
Letitbit.net (filehost) terminated by Onlinedengi.ru
Glumbouploads.com (filehost) terminated by Onlinedengi.ru
File4safe.com (filehost) terminated by 2Checkout
Cosmobox.org (filehost) terminated by Paypal (again)
Cosmobox.org (filehost) terminated by Esselerate
Filerose.com (filehost) terminated by Paypal (again)
Uploadblast.com (filehost) terminated by Paypal

Nautilus 12-03-2012 07:06 AM

More dead hosts:

http://filevelocity.com
http://glumbouploads.com
http://clouds.to
http://filegig.com
http://migaload.com
http://nzbload.com
http://filerobo.com
http://azushare.net

nikki99 12-03-2012 07:41 AM

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Nautilus 12-03-2012 07:43 AM

Dear rights holders,

Please apply for representation agreement with Copycontrol and support the anti-piracy fight - we're still not representative enough to take down some of the most resilient payment options which file lockers started to use recently. We will not be able to accomplish this mission of killing off file lockers without more agreements and wider support from rights holders. Do not count on the other guy to do that - apply now and get represented!

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

MrDeiz 12-03-2012 07:53 AM

was going thru http://adult4dl.com/
http://ryushare.com/ are using onepay.vn
http://uploaded.net/register? has got some billing
https://rapidgator.net/article/premium also offers visa payment
http://lumfile.com/premium.html

BlackAndBlue 12-03-2012 01:02 PM

Bumping for the cause. Each locker that is closed is good news.

adultmobile 12-03-2012 03:52 PM

A file hoster sent me mail how to pay: put cash in a letter and send with fedex.

AdultKing 12-03-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 19344565)

All of these sites are being worked on by us.

nikki99 12-04-2012 05:01 AM

AK

filestay.com is ignorinc DMCA's for months now

please save us

AdultKing 12-04-2012 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 19350546)
AK

filestay.com is ignorinc DMCA's for months now

please save us

Are we getting copies of them ?

freakfiles 12-04-2012 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19349789)
All of these sites are being worked on by us.

Yeah, right.

How about Crocko.com and Hotfile.com? Still got PayPal.

Nautilus, your continuous spamming of paid representation frankly is very annoying. Did Manwin stop paying your bills? The lists of dead hosts you submit in the beginning of every page are ridiculous. nzbload.com - Alexa rank 886,384. WTF? Who even cares about it? If it is dead, even its owner doesn't give a shit.

I see that people keep asking the same questions and expressing same doubts over and over again which AK simply ignores. Judging from your previous "tube fight" AK, I suggest you start getting those $10 large together ASAP.

notjoe 12-04-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freakfiles (Post 19350854)
Nautilus, your continuous spamming of paid representation frankly is very annoying.

Even the trolls need to eat.

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Originally Posted by freakfiles (Post 19350854)
Did Manwin stop paying your bills? The lists of dead hosts you submit in the beginning of every page are ridiculous. nzbload.com - Alexa rank 886,384. WTF? Who even cares about it? If it is dead, even its owner doesn't give a shit.

It's all about the spin they put on it...The list looks impressive until you do your homework and see those sites mean absolutely nothing and amount to a drop of water in the ocean.

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Originally Posted by freakfiles (Post 19350854)
I see that people keep asking the same questions and expressing same doubts over and over again which AK simply ignores. Judging from your previous "tube fight" AK, I suggest you start getting those $10 large together ASAP.

I'm sorry. He isn't allowed to discus ongoing operational statuses nor tactics :1orglaugh

scottybuzz 12-04-2012 10:05 AM

why is there so much hate towards someone fighting piracy? We all know piracy is wrong so why are people arguing? Just let him get on with his job. Why does everyone want to know 100% of his operation?

The fact he isn't going after the tubes is irrelevant. It's his choice, his fight and he can do what he likes. Why should he have to justify everything? If AK goes after tubes then I bet some moron would say go after torrents and after that someone would say go after warez etc. Piracy never ends but you can still fight it.

maybe the guy has a secret hidden agenda? so what, by arguing you are going to find it out until it comes out.

let ak do his work and lets see how this develops.

davethedope 12-04-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19350923)
Why should he have to justify everything?

He's asking for people's money.

What he's doing is necessary, but what it's sounding like is that it's a job rights owners need to do themselves.

Save that, what really seems to cause controversy (although it's sounding a bit staged now) is the idea of AK profiting from piracy, albeit indirectly, regardless if he claims he isn't.

Maybe it sounds to them like he's trying manuever himself into a position to hold rights holders hostage by forcing payment to have content removed (when it's really their own responsibility to keep track of their own content)

I guess what it comes down to is if rights holders want to attempt to take down these big sites they need to join together.

Nautilus 12-04-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by freakfiles (Post 19350854)
Nautilus, your continuous spamming of paid representation frankly is very annoying.

If your pirate feelings are hurt, go whine at WJ or DP. You'll find hordes of compassionate listeners there.

DWB 12-04-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19350923)
why is there so much hate towards someone fighting piracy?

That should be obvious. No one who is serious about their own business would care about what AK is doing unless it directly affected them. And the only way he is going to affect them in any way shape or form is if they are involved in piracy. So those hating are either trolling or pirating. Otherwise they simply wouldn't care at all one way or another.

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19350923)
The fact he isn't going after the tubes is irrelevant. It's his choice, his fight and he can do what he likes. Why should he have to justify everything?

Pirates gonna pirate. You can tell by those who post the most hate what their true intentions are. It's actually pretty funny to watch.

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Originally Posted by davethedope (Post 19351006)
He's asking for people's money.

The nerve of that guy. Where I come from everyone works for free, day in and day out.


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