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AdultKing 10-19-2012 07:54 PM

I've noticed on the WJunction forum there are a number of people making astounding claims about how we operate.

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Because Robert James King refuses to tell the truth, suffers microphallus, & took it upon his self to upload illegal titled files. (he has yet to affect R/S) I have been reporting his sites for the content he is responsible for such as:

The web site http://stopfilelockers.com/letitbit-.../#comment-1931 is displaying information of how to obtain illegal pornography provided by the site owner.
All network servers hosting stopfilelockers.com may be held liable.

.....

[snip]

The claim that we upload files ourselves to file lockers and then screenshot them is ridiculous and really shows how lacking in intelligence some of these people on WJunction are.

We don't need to upload files to file lockers, there are already plenty of examples of illegal and infringing files on them. Just a simple search of filestube.com will bring tens of thousands of examples of infringements and thousands of examples of potentially illegal content.

Then there is the campaign of emails to our web hosting providers, Paypal and others. (None of which has been effective and none of which will stop us from operating). The claim is that because we are pointing out that there is illegal content on a particular site that we ourselves are committing a crime.

It is not illegal to point the finger at a criminal and say "hey that guy is robbing a bank, do something about it" , likewise it's not illegal to point out a site hosting illegal content. Especially when the authorities have been slow to act on the site.

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adultking should be reported to the GFY forum admin to be banned because i am very sure he had broken all of these rules of the forum including threatening people, posting personal info, and posting links to illegal sites and links to illegal files
It seems we are really getting under the skin of the pirates, which is good, irritating them is part of the program.

A simple message to the uploaders and file locker operators.

If the Stop File Lockers site went offline tomorrow, or we were banned from GFY, or our Twitter account was shut down, then none of that would stop what we are doing. In fact all that would happen is that the pirates would lose a little window through which they can look to understand what we are doing.

We are not going away. We are going to keep putting pressure on your illegitimate business and we shall eventually shut the business model of incentivised file sharing down.

Paul Markham 10-19-2012 11:40 PM

They are pissing into the wind, hoping it will turn around.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-20-2012 02:41 AM

Fearlessly conquered another page didn't ya

Nautilus 10-20-2012 02:47 AM

Some of the recent file lockers casualities:

http://jetuploads.com
http://fileshare.to
http://filelucky.com
http://brutalshare.com
http://uploadoz.com
http://filesline.com
http://zeusupload.com
http://upmorefiles.com
http://filenet.ws
http://doneshare.com

Domain names either do not resolve, or go to a parked page, or redirect to another domain.

Paul Markham 10-20-2012 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 19263380)
Some of the recent file lockers casualities:

http://jetuploads.com
http://fileshare.to
http://filelucky.com
http://brutalshare.com
http://uploadoz.com
http://filesline.com
http://zeusupload.com
http://upmorefiles.com
http://filenet.ws
http://doneshare.com

Domain names either do not resolve, or go to a parked page, or redirect to another domain.





RegUser 10-20-2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19256080)
looks like there are still some payment processors working for filesharing pests

moneybookers is accepting payments from [email protected] for fileband.com
so are
premiumissuer.com
http://www.premiuminrupees.com
http://filesharingaccounts.com/
http://www.hotfilepremiumstore.com

business as usual

There are lots of billers still helping such sites. Just terminating paypal is not enough.
Perhaps a better strategy add on would be to start promoting debrid type sites, ie, sites that allow end users to pay $10 to download as much as they want from several cyber locker sites that are still trying to operate. No sales for upload monkeys = more starvation

AdultKing 10-20-2012 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19263701)
There are lots of billers still helping such sites. Just terminating paypal is not enough.

That's why we deal with more payment systems than just Paypal :2 cents:

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Perhaps a better strategy add on would be to start promoting debrid type sites, ie, sites that allow end users to pay $10 to download as much as they want from several cyber locker sites that are still trying to operate. No sales for upload monkeys = more starvation
And teach even more people to download infringing content ? No, we are targeting debrid sites too.

The only thing to do is remove all monetization methods from sites.

Captain Kawaii 10-21-2012 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19261530)
Filestay is not accepting Paypal, we had them terminated already.

They are using Avangate (a rogue processor) and FashionPay a front for all sorts of dodgy stuff.

These will both be dealt with when Visa and Mastercard act to have the acquirers terminate merchant agreements.

Looking forward to their demise.

johnnyloadproductions 10-21-2012 03:03 PM

PayPal's really come on strong and now other payment processors are starting to come around.

EriktheRabbit 10-21-2012 04:02 PM

If we can get imagetwist taken down this will eliminate/deter the new influx of filelocker scammers to gfy at least.

http://imagetwist.com/rewards.html

What are payment methods?

Currently We pay via Paypal , Moneybookers (skrill) , WMZ And Alertpay in USD currency. We may add other payment methods in future.

AdultKing 10-21-2012 09:58 PM

Imagetwist have already lost Paypal, they pay uploaders using various payment methods.

This site and many others will be in for a shock once we start shutting down the accounts they use to pay their uploaders.

bean-aid 10-21-2012 10:26 PM

What do you think about depositefiles.com, extabit.com?

Is rapidgators.net closed from signups? It's hard for me to tell.

Do you think it might be easier to go after the forums which faciliate the links to the filelockers? Without the links they won't get the traffic and they (filelockers) will be forced to promote their own sites which will open them up to vulnerability.

johnnyloadproductions 10-21-2012 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19266184)
Do you think it might be easier to go after the forums which faciliate the links to the filelockers? Without the links they won't get the traffic and they (filelockers) will be forced to promote their own sites which will open them up to vulnerability.

Remember that indexing links is rarely prosecuted. Granted the case in the UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O'Dwyer

with TVshack.net

Hosting the content is the illegal part, that's why some of these forums get away with it. The file lockers just get away with it because of the DMCA loophole. I bet half of file lockers are bootstrapped by the owners uploading everything they've ever downloaded and then getting it off the ground with affiliates.
Hard to tell without detailed logs, and who's going to do that without fear of incriminating themselves?

AdultKing 10-21-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19266184)
What do you think about depositefiles.com, extabit.com?

Both are infringing file lockers, both have lost Paypal and various other payment methods. Both are still being targeted by us.

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Is rapidgators.net closed from signups? It's hard for me to tell.
Refer my previous statement about Rapidgator.

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Do you think it might be easier to go after the forums which faciliate the links to the filelockers? Without the links they won't get the traffic and they (filelockers) will be forced to promote their own sites which will open them up to vulnerability.
We're pursuing every part of the eco system.

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 19266196)
Remember that indexing links is rarely prosecuted. Granted the case in the UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O'Dwyer

with TVshack.net

Hosting the content is the illegal part, that's why some of these forums get away with it. The file lockers just get away with it because of the DMCA loophole. I bet half of file lockers are bootstrapped by the owners uploading everything they've ever downloaded and then getting it off the ground with affiliates.
Hard to tell without detailed logs, and who's going to do that without fear of incriminating themselves?

You're not safe just by having links to infringing content, anyone who thinks they are would be very wrong.

As stated above, we're going after every portion of the eco system.

bean-aid 10-21-2012 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 19266196)
Remember that indexing links is rarely prosecuted. Granted the case in the UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O'Dwyer

with TVshack.net

Hosting the content is the illegal part, that's why some of these forums get away with it. The file lockers just get away with it because of the DMCA loophole. I bet half of file lockers are bootstrapped by the owners uploading everything they've ever downloaded and then getting it off the ground with affiliates.
Hard to tell without detailed logs, and who's going to do that without fear of incriminating themselves?

It's a tough battle for sure. Some of these forums reside in the US though. Some of these forum owners have been involved with previous, and current, acts of theft. It may not hurt to try and pinpoint one and see what US law can, and cannot, subpoena.

I think it is the forums that should be shut down though. Filelockers keep opening up, the source of the traffic is not so easy.

I know some good US attorneys should you need a contact.

AdultKing 10-21-2012 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19266227)
It's a tough battle for sure. Some of these forums reside in the US though. Some of these forum owners have been involved with previous, and current, acts of theft. It may not hurt to try and pinpoint one and see what US law can, and cannot, subpoena.

I think it is the forums that should be shut down though. Filelockers keep opening up, the source of the traffic is not so easy.

I know some good US attorneys should you need a contact.

All good points.

We already have our own legal teams working with us, we're in discussion with many parties concerning various issues, some will take longer to resolve than others.

Obviously we wont discuss ongoing detailed operational matters or strategy publicly.

Captain Kawaii 10-22-2012 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19266161)
Imagetwist have already lost Paypal, they pay uploaders using various payment methods.

This site and many others will be in for a shock once we start shutting down the accounts they use to pay their uploaders.

Great news. Can't wait to see the headlines.

RubyGoodnight 10-22-2012 10:29 AM

Back to the first page...

BlackAndBlue 10-22-2012 01:24 PM

Bumping to keep this up front. Great work AK and all of your network members.

Matyko 10-22-2012 03:26 PM

Stoned Drunk Bump from a reggae party :pimp
File lockers suck donkey balllsssss

Paul Markham 10-22-2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19266184)
Do you think it might be easier to go after the forums which faciliate the links to the filelockers? Without the links they won't get the traffic and they (filelockers) will be forced to promote their own sites which will open them up to vulnerability.

IMO it would need a law making advertisers on those forums liable to be sued by the victim of the piracy.

AdultKing 10-22-2012 10:39 PM

The following sites have lost payment processing of one form or another since 10th October:


bitshare.com
freakshare.com
venusfile.com
filenet.ws
fileb.ag
almmyz.com .
almmyz.com
filesk2.com
filegig.com
sharedbit.net
fileuplo.de
filestrum.com
megaload.it
uploadcore.com
filehostfree.com
1st-files.com
wowebook.be
gxcandals.com
zkito.com
unrestrict.li
gbmeister.com
247upload.com
mafiastorage.com
fileprohost.com
files2upload.net
megacache.net
sube.me
uploo.net
slingfile.com


Updates here:

http://stopfilelockers.com/more-file...nt-processing/

http://forum.copycontrol.org/showthr...wfull=1#post78


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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19268278)
IMO it would need a law making advertisers on those forums liable to be sued by the victim of the piracy.

No new law needed, existing legislation in several jurisdictions is sufficient.

Any party enabling piracy is liable for civil action and in some cases criminal sanctions.

It's true that for many years various parties have been allowed to get away with supporting piracy however it would be foolish to misconstrue lack of action with a corresponding lack of remedies available to rights holders.

Paul Markham 10-22-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19268286)
The following sites have lost payment processing of one form or another since 10th October:


bitshare.com
freakshare.com
venusfile.com
filenet.ws
fileb.ag
almmyz.com .
almmyz.com
filesk2.com
filegig.com
sharedbit.net
fileuplo.de
filestrum.com
megaload.it
uploadcore.com
filehostfree.com
1st-files.com
wowebook.be
gxcandals.com
zkito.com
unrestrict.li
gbmeister.com
247upload.com
mafiastorage.com
fileprohost.com
files2upload.net
megacache.net
sube.me
uploo.net
slingfile.com


Updates here:

http://stopfilelockers.com/more-file...nt-processing/

http://forum.copycontrol.org/showthr...wfull=1#post78

Well done. How is funding going to keep this going into the future?



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No new law needed, existing legislation in several jurisdictions is sufficient.

Any party enabling piracy is liable for civil action and in some cases criminal sanctions.

It's true that for many years various parties have been allowed to get away with supporting piracy however it would be foolish to misconstrue lack of action with a corresponding lack of remedies available to rights holders.
Has anyone used this legislation to go after the advertisers on piracy sites?

AdultKing 10-22-2012 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19268331)
Has anyone used this legislation to go after the advertisers on piracy sites?

The type of infringement or the nature of the infringer is irrelevant.

Think, common law, civil, torts.

mychemicalromance 10-22-2012 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19264918)
Looking forward to their demise.

:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap


look at all these fucking armchair lawyers

Paul Markham 10-22-2012 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19268339)
The type of infringement or the nature of the infringer is irrelevant.

Think, common law, civil, torts.

Has anyone done this?

AdultKing 10-23-2012 12:18 AM

Warner & Disney vs Triton in 2010 was a US example of taking advertising business to court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/40370005/C...v-Triton-Media

Paul, we're obviously not going to outline relevant case law in public, why would we give anyone the heads up on how we will pursue them ?

Paul Markham 10-23-2012 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19268416)
Warner & Disney vs Triton in 2010 was a US example of taking advertising business to court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/40370005/C...v-Triton-Media

Paul, we're obviously not going to outline relevant case law in public, why would we give anyone the heads up on how we will pursue them ?

Thanks for the info.

johnnyloadproductions 10-23-2012 10:26 AM

A good day bump

SKUP 10-23-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19268416)
Warner & Disney vs Triton in 2010 was a US example of taking advertising business to court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/40370005/C...v-Triton-Media

Paul, we're obviously not going to outline relevant case law in public, why would we give anyone the heads up on how we will pursue them ?

Wow, nice work. I like this. :upsidedow

RegUser 10-23-2012 02:11 PM

Looks like an excellent time to start payment processing for all these sites -LOL
Birkina faso based

twist 10-24-2012 01:40 AM

Bump for a good cause.

Struggle4Bucks 10-24-2012 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19270000)
Looks like an excellent time to start payment processing for all these sites -LOL
Birkina faso based

Even if they`re moon based... as a 3rd party processor they still would need visa... lol

adultmobile 10-24-2012 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19268416)
Warner & Disney vs Triton in 2010 was a US example of taking advertising business to court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/40370005/C...v-Triton-Media

It happens rarely, this too:

"A U.S. District Court judge has issued a preliminary injunction against two advertising networks and a Whois protection service of a site that offers pirated e-books. Advertising networks Clicksor and Chitika are now prohibited from serving advertisements to the site"

http://torrentfreak.com/no-ads-or-wh...-rules-110118/

In fact if it will be introduced a sistematic and constant stop of advertising on pirate sites, as well as the current credit card sales stop we see since few months: this may be enough to make piracy no more profitable anywhere for anyone. Further, it may become even not sustainable for "no profit pirates" due to hosting costs, which need to be paid in any case. Both no uploaders affiliates or advertising, would leave only the option of donations via bank wires, quite unlikely an option.

I think there are only a few dozens of ad networks serving ads to pirates, and less than an hundreds of major final advertisers, so to "reach" all them it does not impossible :)

Also often the domain name registrars are involved, see this about Enom:

http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives...tworks_ord.htm

Paul Markham 10-24-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19271668)
It happens rarely, this too:

"A U.S. District Court judge has issued a preliminary injunction against two advertising networks and a Whois protection service of a site that offers pirated e-books. Advertising networks Clicksor and Chitika are now prohibited from serving advertisements to the site"

http://torrentfreak.com/no-ads-or-wh...-rules-110118/

In fact if it will be introduced a sistematic and constant stop of advertising on pirate sites, as well as the current credit card sales stop we see since few months: this may be enough to make piracy no more profitable anywhere for anyone. Further, it may become even not sustainable for "no profit pirates" due to hosting costs, which need to be paid in any case. Both no uploaders affiliates or advertising, would leave only the option of donations via bank wires, quite unlikely an option.

I think there are only a few dozens of ad networks serving ads to pirates, and less than an hundreds of major final advertisers, so to "reach" all them it does not impossible :)

Also often the domain name registrars are involved, see this about Enom:

http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives...tworks_ord.htm

This is the important part.

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In a recent case filed at the Massachusetts District Court both these strategies were used by book publishers Elsevier and John Wiley & Sons. The two publishers filed a case against the Clicksor and Chitika advertising networks and the domain registrar Enom?s Whois Privacy Protection Service. The defendants were chosen because all provided services to Pharmatext.org, a site that offered pirated e-books.
This is open for everyone to do. How long before some traffic sellers here get hit? :1orglaugh

BlackAndBlue 10-24-2012 02:53 PM

This is interesting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19271668)
It happens rarely, this too:

"A U.S. District Court judge has issued a preliminary injunction against two advertising networks and a Whois protection service of a site that offers pirated e-books. Advertising networks Clicksor and Chitika are now prohibited from serving advertisements to the site"

It looks like there are multiple ways to cut off the money stream from sites that are allowing/participating in copyright infringement. This is a much better way to look at curtailing this than DMCA alone.

What video producers need, is the often talked about way to track the IP (and any other identifying information) of anyone that downloads, rips or screen caps copyrighted content. There is steganography for stills from Chroma Shift, but there needs to be something similar for video soon.

dgraves 10-24-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue (Post 19272481)
It looks like there are multiple ways to cut off the money stream from sites that are allowing/participating in copyright infringement. This is a much better way to look at curtailing this than DMCA alone.

What video producers need, is the often talked about way to track the IP (and any other identifying information) of anyone that downloads, rips or screen caps copyrighted content. There is steganography for stills from Chroma Shift, but there needs to be something similar for video soon.

They are launching a video plugin within the next 6 months.

Paul Markham 10-24-2012 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue (Post 19272481)
What video producers need,

What they need is to get together as one organisation and hit these leeches as a group.

Matyko 10-25-2012 02:19 AM

I love to open this thread, there are always some good news to be happy about :pimp Keep up the good work! :)

mikke 10-25-2012 03:22 AM

bumpy bump!


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