by request- details & results from my 12 day rapid fat loss PSMF diet - GoFuckYourself.com

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 07:35 AM

to kick start my summer shredding (thx dlxphil!) i decided to do lyle mcdonald's 12 day rapid fat loss program.

about the diet:

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The Rapid Fat Loss Diet offers a scientifically based approach to quick weight and fat loss. Recognizing that people need or simply want to lose weight and fat rapidly, I set out to develop the safest, most effective way of accomplishing that goal.

I based the program around the idea of creating a diet that would provide the fewest calories possible while still providing all of the essential nutrients required by the body: protein, essential fatty acids, vitamins and minerals. This provides simply the safest and sanest way to lose fat quickly without sacrificing health (or muscle mass).

Every aspect about how to set up the diet is laid out in a step by step form and the diet is based around whole foods that can be found at any market.

As well, the diet also incorporates concepts I?ve discussed on this site: free meals, refeeds and full diet breaks to help with both adherence and the body?s tendency to fight back when dieting. Guidelines are provided for when to take them, how to use them, etc.

In addition, guidelines for moving back to maintenance, as well as for using the program to transition into a more moderate fat loss diet are provided in detail.

my results-

Initial measurements-------
total weight =160.6 lbs
bf measurement =10.9% bf

after 12 days---------
total weight =152.8 pounds
bf measurement = 8.3%

total weight loss = 7.8 pounds
total fat loss = 4.9 pounds
total lbm lost = 2.9 pounds (water, muscle, etc.)

total fat left = 12.6 pounds

i lost 30% of my total fat in 12 days.

plain & simple this is a 0 carb diet. well, as close to 0 as it can possibly be, i consumed 3-5g of carbs a day, due to not being able to get rid of those few. this means mind-blurring ketosis for several days. you will need will power to reach you goal of finishing this diet but you will be glad you did. the good news is that since it is only 12 days, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

i would recommend this diet for anyone who has an event coming up ASAP and needs to drop some pounds to fit into that bikini or banana hammock.

If you are a body builder, this diet RLY worked to preserve my LBM. Also, if you are obese, this diet was originally designed for you.

I would not recommend this to anyone who has a hard time adhering to a diet plan.
It is extremely hard to keep within the boundaries of this diet but the results will be there if you do.

i also combined this diet with the lean gains protocols- intermittent daily fasting, i.e., i went 16+ hours every day without eating, consuming all my cals between 1pm and 9pm. on the weekend in the middle, i fasted 24 hours between fri-sat & sat-sun, consuming all my cals in 1 meal saturday evening and 1 meal sunday evening.

A+

more info
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the...-loss-handbook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein..._Modified_Fast
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...crash-dieting/

Chris · 05-24-2011, 07:50 AM

what foods did you eat?

96ukssob · 05-24-2011, 07:58 AM

I'm on something similar, very very little carbs and they only come from vegetables later in the day.

The trick is cardio 2x a day. Once in the morning on an empty stomach and once later in the day

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

what foods did you eat?

sirloin steak, ground sirloin, chicken, tuna, broccoli, avocados, spinach, water, casein protein powder and egg protein powder.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

I'm on something similar, very very little carbs and they only come from vegetables later in the day.

The trick is cardio 2x a day. Once in the morning on an empty stomach and once later in the day

i was unable to do virtually ANY exercising on this diet, especially cardio. i did resistance training 4x over the 12 day period. i did do my daily walks but even those were very very hard. the diet protocol only calls for limited exercise.

NETbilling · 05-24-2011, 08:56 AM

Isn't this just like Atkins but even more intense?

Alky · 05-24-2011, 09:03 AM

Erm this isn't a 0 carb diet if you ate avocados, spinach etc - just no sugar carbs... so this is just CKD but in starvation mode?

The Demon · 05-24-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

to kick start my summer shredding (thx dlxphil!) i decided to do lyle mcdonald's 12 day rapid fat loss program.

about the diet:

my results-

Initial measurements-------
total weight =160.6 lbs
bf measurement =10.9% bf

after 12 days---------
total weight =152.8 pounds
bf measurement = 8.3%

total weight loss = 7.8 pounds
total fat loss = 4.9 pounds
total lbm lost = 2.9 pounds (water, muscle, etc.)

total fat left = 12.6 pounds

i lost 30% of my total fat in 12 days.

plain & simple this is a 0 carb diet. well, as close to 0 as it can possibly be, i consumed 3-5g of carbs a day, due to not being able to get rid of those few. this means mind-blurring ketosis for several days. you will need will power to reach you goal of finishing this diet but you will be glad you did. the good news is that since it is only 12 days, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

i would recommend this diet for anyone who has an event coming up ASAP and needs to drop some pounds to fit into that bikini or banana hammock.

If you are a body builder, this diet RLY worked to preserve my LBM. Also, if you are obese, this diet was originally designed for you.

I would not recommend this to anyone who has a hard time adhering to a diet plan.
It is extremely hard to keep within the boundaries of this diet but the results will be there if you do.

i also combined this diet with the lean gains protocols- intermittent daily fasting, i.e., i went 16+ hours every day without eating, consuming all my cals between 1pm and 9pm. on the weekend in the middle, i fasted 24 hours between fri-sat & sat-sun, consuming all my cals in 1 meal saturday evening and 1 meal sunday evening.

A+

more info
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the...-loss-handbook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein..._Modified_Fast
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...crash-dieting/

Very impressive, but why did you go on the diet in the first place? Your body fat is in the single digits. Lyle's program is awesome though. Also glad to see you combined it with IF and a ketogenic type diet. That's a 3 part combo that's pretty much guaranteed to make you ripped if you follow it. If you don't mind, can you lay out your macros?

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Erm this isn't a 0 carb diet if you ate avocados, spinach etc - just no sugar carbs... so this is just CKD but in starvation mode?

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I based the program around the idea of creating a diet that would provide the fewest calories possible while still providing all of the essential nutrients required by the body

As you can see, starvation mode isn't involved.

PornGreen · 05-24-2011, 09:05 AM

isn't that type of diet supposed to shed intense amounts of water weight? i dont see how that could only have shed 2.9lb of water. maybe i'm missing something?

ShellyCrash · 05-24-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i was unable to do virtually ANY exercising on this diet, especially cardio. i did resistance training 4x over the 12 day period. i did do my daily walks but even those were very very hard. the diet protocol only calls for limited exercise.

Was that cause your energy felt low? Did you feel exhausted while on it?

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Alky

Erm this isn't a 0 carb diet if you ate avocados, spinach etc - just no sugar carbs... so this is just CKD but in starvation mode?

those are considered fibrous vegetables, spinach has 1g carb per serving for instance, avocado is primarily fat, 3g carbs for an entire avocado.

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Very impressive, but why did you go on the diet in the first place?

As you can see, starvation mode isn't involved.

i want to hit 5.5% bf. and you are very right, no starvation at all, in fact, it was hard to get all the food down the hatch.

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Originally Posted by PornGreen

isn't that type of diet supposed to shed intense amounts of water weight? i dont see how that could only have shed 2.9lb of water. maybe i'm missing something?

yes, i was a bit surprised as well, expecting to have lost more water weight, i can only assume i wasn't carrying much to begin with.

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Was that cause your energy felt low? Did you feel exhausted while on it?

it's hard to describe, it wasn't exactly like low energy. more like that feeling you get when you are soaking in a hot bath and stand up real fast, know what i mean?

JamesGw · 05-24-2011, 09:30 AM

I'm not really a fan of diets like this, unless you're really looking to lose weight quickly (such as if you're fighting.) When I'm preparing my clients for a fight, I usually cut out all carbs and sodium to make them drop weight as quickly as possible. That said, adhering to a diet like this for no reason isn't well-advised. There's been some evidence indicating that rapid weight loss can decrease testosterone levels and mess up your metabolism. Be careful.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesGw

I'm not really a fan of diets like this, unless you're really looking to lose weight quickly (such as if you're fighting.) When I'm preparing my clients for a fight, I usually cut out all carbs and sodium to make them drop weight as quickly as possible. That said, adhering to a diet like this for no reason isn't well-advised. There's been some evidence indicating that rapid weight loss can decrease testosterone levels and mess up your metabolism. Be careful.

read the book, all of this is addressed there. 12 days on this diet does not impact metabolism whatsoever nor testosterone. in fact, fasting has been shown to increase test levels as well as ramp up metabolism. i can assure you i put the research in prior to starting this diet.

benefits of fasting:
http://www.google.com/search?q=benef...ient=firefox-a

ShellyCrash · 05-24-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's hard to describe, it wasn't exactly like low energy. more like that feeling you get when you are soaking in a hot bath and stand up real fast, know what i mean?

Was it like a prolonged fast? I did a 30 day fast once. Totally not healthy, totally not recommended, did it a few years ago to win a bet. At the end I was super light headed. I lost a little over 30 lbs in a month but I'd never do it again.

JFK · 05-24-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling

Isn't this just like Atkins but even more intense?

sure sounds like it, I'll try it just so my "banana hammock" will fit

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 09:39 AM

from the book re: metabolism-

So when you start dieting, eating less and losing bodyweight, your hypothalamus senses it and your body slows metabolism, increases your hunger/appetite levels, and alters hormone levels in a generally negative fashion. To a much lesser degree, when you overeat and start gaining weight, your hypothalamus increases metabolic rate, decreases your hunger/appetite, and ramps up certain hormones.

So when you start a diet, eating less and losing weight, your body notices it and starts to adjust metabolism downwards.

This ties in with the information on metabolic slowdown that I presented in the last chapter. As I made reference to, how hard and how fast metabolism tends to crash on a diet depends on a lot of factors including gender and genetics (neither of which we can control). But one of the main ones is initial bodyfatness: fatter individuals can usually diet longer without needing a break from the diet (both a psychological and physiological break) than leaner individuals. So once again your diet category will determine how long you can and/or should stay on the crash diet: the lower the category, the less time you should be on the diet before taking a break of some sort.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling

Isn't this just like Atkins but even more intense?

sorry missed this, yes it is.

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Was it like a prolonged fast? I did a 30 day fast once. Totally not healthy, totally not recommended, did it a few years ago to win a bet. At the end I was super light headed. I lost a little over 30 lbs in a month but I'd never do it again.

i am not too familiar with a prolonged fast, a 30 day fast must have been difficult to say the least.

i'm more familiar with intermittent fasting.

this is a good book i've read on the subject
http://www.eatstopeat.com/index2.shtml

and it is also the mainstay of lean gains, a very well thought out exercise and eating plan www.leangains.com

The Demon · 05-24-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

from the book re: metabolism-

So when you start dieting, eating less and losing bodyweight, your hypothalamus senses it and your body slows metabolism, increases your hunger/appetite levels, and alters hormone levels in a generally negative fashion. To a much lesser degree, when you overeat and start gaining weight, your hypothalamus increases metabolic rate, decreases your hunger/appetite, and ramps up certain hormones.

So when you start a diet, eating less and losing weight, your body notices it and starts to adjust metabolism downwards.

This ties in with the information on metabolic slowdown that I presented in the last chapter. As I made reference to, how hard and how fast metabolism tends to crash on a diet depends on a lot of factors including gender and genetics (neither of which we can control). But one of the main ones is initial bodyfatness: fatter individuals can usually diet longer without needing a break from the diet (both a psychological and physiological break) than leaner individuals. So once again your diet category will determine how long you can and/or should stay on the crash diet: the lower the category, the less time you should be on the diet before taking a break of some sort.

So what did your daily P/C/F percentages look like? Also, I don't like eat/stop/eat because it's too extreme. I've found that Martin's leangains IF mixed with CKD works best.

Also, http://www.ironmagazine.com/ebooks/T...s_Handbook.pdf

ShellyCrash · 05-24-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

sorry missed this, yes it is.

i am not too familiar with a prolonged fast, a 30 day fast must have been difficult to say the least.

It was difficult and dumb. I think it was only over like $300 too

Learned my lesson, never again.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

So what did your daily P/C/F percentages look like? Also, I don't like eat/stop/eat because it's too extreme. I've found that Martin's leangains IF mixed with CKD works best.

crap, sorry.

i ate 200-225g protein every day. 1 avocado + 1 cup of either broccoli or spinach. so i would say it's 99/0/1

The supps for this diet are crucial, for instance the fish oil, 6 capsules of it every day. so that added some fat. yes, leangains is revolutionary and succesfully challenges many assumptions such as eating 6x a day, skipping breakfast, etc. good stuff.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

So what did your daily P/C/F percentages look like? Also, I don't like eat/stop/eat because it's too extreme. I've found that Martin's leangains IF mixed with CKD works best.

Also, http://www.ironmagazine.com/ebooks/T...s_Handbook.pdf

free book, right there! nice. yes, eat stop eat is a little further out there than i want to be for any length of time, but the info in the book re: the benefits of intermittent fasting make it a good read. it's also the baseline martin used to set-up lean gains.

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

It was difficult and dumb. I think it was only over like $300 too

Learned my lesson, never again.

The Demon · 05-24-2011, 11:00 AM

I like what I'm reading thus far. Unfortunately I'm not sure I have your discipline to execute this, knowing that it would be effective if I did. I don't know about you but I don't function well without carbs, so even ketosis is hard to get into. I might try this for 3-5 days and see how it goes, it sounds very effective though.

O MARINA · 05-24-2011, 11:17 AM

I am not reading all this

pics?

marketsmart · 05-24-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i was unable to do virtually ANY exercising on this diet, especially cardio. i did resistance training 4x over the 12 day period. i did do my daily walks but even those were very very hard. the diet protocol only calls for limited exercise.

Thanks.. This is the answer I was looking for. I am almost finished with a 9 week cycle and dont want to do another juice fast. I will try this..

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O MARINA · 05-24-2011, 11:22 AM

How you got your abs in 1 minute:

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

How you got your abs in 1 minute:

how to have 6 pak & muskles in 1 minute, i show you how.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

I am not reading all this

pics?

full nudies or???

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

Thanks.. This is the answer I was looking for. I am almost finished with a 9 week cycle and dont want to do another juice fast. I will try this..

.

xcllnt, let us know how it goes eh!

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Originally Posted by The Demon

I like what I'm reading thus far. Unfortunately I'm not sure I have your discipline to execute this, knowing that it would be effective if I did. I don't know about you but I don't function well without carbs, so even ketosis is hard to get into. I might try this for 3-5 days and see how it goes, it sounds very effective though.

i'd wager that once you get to the 3-5 day mark, you will have the motivation to carry it through the remaining 7-9 days. !!

xNetworx · 05-24-2011, 11:28 AM

Congrats on the fat loss but 152 lbs? Thats too small imo for somebody trying to be muscular.
EDIT: unless you are under 5'7

HardlinkSells · 05-24-2011, 11:46 AM

I weight 250 lol, but I am 6'2"

Sly · 05-24-2011, 11:56 AM

I don't really understand this stuff.

You seem to try a lot of different programs. If you wanted to lose weight now, why did your last program fail? And at what point will you be back up to 160? What's the point of being at 152 right now? What's next?

This just seems like a huge yo-yo and I don't see how that can be good for you long-term or how it can even make sense long-term. Unless you just like experimenting?

The Demon · 05-24-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I don't really understand this stuff.

You seem to try a lot of different programs. If you wanted to lose weight now, why did your last program fail? And at what point will you be back up to 160? What's the point of being at 152 right now? What's next?

This just seems like a huge yo-yo and I don't see how that can be good for you long-term or how it can even make sense long-term. Unless you just like experimenting?

It's called a "crash diet" for a reason and the way Mcdonald outlines it, it's pretty healthy for a short while.

Sly · 05-24-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

It's called a "crash diet" for a reason and the way Mcdonald outlines it, it's pretty healthy for a short while.

Okay so what is the ultimate goal? Look nice for a couple weeks?

DirtyDanza · 05-24-2011, 12:04 PM

yeah im cutting weight right now miserable.... im ready to kill someone...

can we talk about the fatty shit im going to eat thursday at 7pm please please pretty please.....

The Demon · 05-24-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Okay so what is the ultimate goal? Look nice for a couple weeks?

No, get to your targetted weight quicker (for a wedding/prom/etc). It's not hard to maintain when you get there so it's not temporary.

TheSquealer · 05-24-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling

Isn't this just like Atkins but even more intense?

Atkins is just a general version of a ketogenic diet.

Lyle McDonald is a mad scientist when it comes to this topic. Everything he does is well researched and well supported by rock solid science, endless published/peer reviewed studies etc. So if he's saying "do XYZ between 9pm and 10pm" - there is a concrete, well founded reason for it.

ShellyCrash · 05-24-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

yeah im cutting weight right now miserable.... im ready to kill someone...

can we talk about the fatty shit im going to eat thursday at 7pm please please pretty please.....

So, you gonna hit up Blueberry Hill afterwards?

TheSquealer · 05-24-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Okay so what is the ultimate goal? Look nice for a couple weeks?

"Losing fat quickly"... not "losing body weight quickly" - which under any similarly severe diet/exercise plan, means losing substantial stored water and muscle with only a small % being actually fat.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I don't really understand this stuff.

You seem to try a lot of different programs. If you wanted to lose weight now, why did your last program fail? And at what point will you be back up to 160? What's the point of being at 152 right now? What's next?

This just seems like a huge yo-yo and I don't see how that can be good for you long-term or how it can even make sense long-term. Unless you just like experimenting?

lolz. i've NEVER yo-yo'ed, the "last" program did not fail, i am moving toward my goals set almost 18 months ago.

if you don't understand, you should not assume things like this. your assumptions make it difficult for me to want to answer any of your questions with specific replies.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Okay so what is the ultimate goal? Look nice for a couple weeks?

proof you have no idea what is going on here.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Atkins is just a general version of a ketogenic diet.

Lyle McDonald is a mad scientist when it comes to this topic. Everything he does is well researched and well supported by rock solid science, endless published/peer reviewed studies etc. So if he's saying "do XYZ between 9pm and 10pm" - there is a concrete, well founded reason for it.

thank you, as well as martin berkhan http://www.google.com/search?q=marti...ient=firefox-a

blackmonsters · 05-24-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Initial measurements-------
total weight =160.6 lbs
bf measurement =10.9% bf

WTF are you on a diet for at 160 pounds and 10.9%??????

Fixed!

Sly · 05-24-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

proof you have no idea what is going on here.

You're right. I don't. That's why I'm asking.

Assumptions? You post about diet and health nonstop, which is great. It seems to be all over the place though.

Is this program in line with the program you did a year ago and toned up so much? And then you posted about trying a new program where you did something totally different. And now this fat crushing program.

What am I missing?

I'm not hating at all, trying to figure out what you are doing.

Cory W · 05-24-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You're right. I don't. That's why I'm asking.

Assumptions? You post about diet and health nonstop, which is great. It seems to be all over the place though.

Is this program in line with the program you did a year ago and toned up so much? And then you posted about trying a new program where you did something totally different. And now this fat crushing program.

What am I missing?

I'm not hating at all, trying to figure out what you are doing.

He manipulates, but I wouldn't say to any extreme levels really. I'd say his base is always pretty much the same.

One thing I will add in, apologies if its been mentioned, but when you lower carbs, on day two, you start to lose extreme appetite. I know it sounds crazy, but if anything, I find myself sometimes battling to eat anything. Its funny every time I tell someone how easy it is to lower the carbs down. Its like a couple days that are a bit weird for me.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-24-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

sure sounds like it, I'll try it just so my "banana hammock" will fit

Can't wait to see you at the pool in San Francisco...

Do these heels make my ass look fat?

ADG

TheDoc · 05-24-2011, 02:37 PM

That's a hell of a diet... I would starve on it, shit I'm hungry reading it. Then again I'm not looking to lose any weight or cut down.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

Congrats on the fat loss but 152 lbs? Thats too small imo for somebody trying to be muscular.
EDIT: unless you are under 5'7

missed this. lyle, martin and alan aragon all believe it's better to lean up before adding muscle. that being said, i'm 46 years old, technically i'm losing 8% muscle per year. but i've gained muscle over the last ~15 months- without gear.

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Originally Posted by Sly

You're right. I don't. That's why I'm asking.

Assumptions? You post about diet and health nonstop, which is great. It seems to be all over the place though.

Is this program in line with the program you did a year ago and toned up so much? And then you posted about trying a new program where you did something totally different. And now this fat crushing program.

What am I missing?

I'm not hating at all, trying to figure out what you are doing.

how is it all over the place? a bit of education for you- the human body is wonderfully adept at adapting ;-), your body reacts to stress, if that stress is lifting weights for instance, it responds by growing muscle or getting stronger. after a period of time to catch up, that stress is no longer stress and your results begin to stagnate, requiring changing up the program to create stress again.

the same with fat. the body wants to store fat. you have to bust through plateaus by changing things up. ESPECIALLY when you get to single digit fat levels, it an entire different ballgame when you have 15 pounds of TOTAL fat on your body and want to cut that in 1/2.

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Originally Posted by Cory W

He manipulates, but I wouldn't say to any extreme levels really. I'd say his base is always pretty much the same.

One thing I will add in, apologies if its been mentioned, but when you lower carbs, on day two, you start to lose extreme appetite. I know it sounds crazy, but if anything, I find myself sometimes battling to eat anything. Its funny every time I tell someone how easy it is to lower the carbs down. Its like a couple days that are a bit weird for me.

i found this to be the case as well

marketsmart · 05-24-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

but i've gained muscle over the last ~15 months- without gear.

have you considered testosterone? i have heard a lot of positive feedback about starting t therapy at age 40.

the anti aging benefits seem to far outweigh the lifting benefits. but, based on your diet do you think you have raised your t naturally?

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Cory W · 05-24-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's a hell of a diet... I would starve on it, shit I'm hungry reading it. Then again I'm not looking to lose any weight or cut down.

You will be less hungry.

dyna mo · 05-24-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

have you considered testosterone? i have heard a lot of positive feedback about starting t therapy at age 40.

the anti aging benefits seem to far outweigh the lifting benefits. but, based on your diet do you think you have raised your t naturally?

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i've thought about hormone therapy, my blood panels show a lowered test level, maybe some day. not sure if i want to drop $500/ month on test/gh though !

the intermittent fasting has been shown to raise test levels but i wasn't able to coordinate blood work when i started it so i haven't personally confirmed that.

TheDoc · 05-24-2011, 04:08 PM

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You will be less hungry.

I don't want to be less hungry, then I wouldn't be eating as much, meaning I would be dropping weight. I don't want to lose weight, I want to put on about 30-50 lbs, which isn't going to happen, ever.

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PornGreen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 554	isn't that type of diet supposed to shed intense amounts of water weight? i dont see how that could only have shed 2.9lb of water. maybe i'm missing something? __________________ $25 Per Join

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JamesGw Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,237	I'm not really a fan of diets like this, unless you're really looking to lose weight quickly (such as if you're fighting.) When I'm preparing my clients for a fight, I usually cut out all carbs and sodium to make them drop weight as quickly as possible. That said, adhering to a diet like this for no reason isn't well-advised. There's been some evidence indicating that rapid weight loss can decrease testosterone levels and mess up your metabolism. Be careful. __________________ Giggles.com has a huge selection of sex toys. Need backlinks? Ask to guest post on our adult blog.

05-24-2011, 09:03 AM	#7
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	Erm this isn't a 0 carb diet if you ate avocados, spinach etc - just no sugar carbs... so this is just CKD but in starvation mode?

05-24-2011, 09:39 AM	#16
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,519	from the book re: metabolism- So when you start dieting, eating less and losing bodyweight, your hypothalamus senses it and your body slows metabolism, increases your hunger/appetite levels, and alters hormone levels in a generally negative fashion. To a much lesser degree, when you overeat and start gaining weight, your hypothalamus increases metabolic rate, decreases your hunger/appetite, and ramps up certain hormones. So when you start a diet, eating less and losing weight, your body notices it and starts to adjust metabolism downwards. This ties in with the information on metabolic slowdown that I presented in the last chapter. As I made reference to, how hard and how fast metabolism tends to crash on a diet depends on a lot of factors including gender and genetics (neither of which we can control). But one of the main ones is initial bodyfatness: fatter individuals can usually diet longer without needing a break from the diet (both a psychological and physiological break) than leaner individuals. So once again your diet category will determine how long you can and/or should stay on the crash diet: the lower the category, the less time you should be on the diet before taking a break of some sort.

05-24-2011, 11:00 AM	#22
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	I like what I'm reading thus far. Unfortunately I'm not sure I have your discipline to execute this, knowing that it would be effective if I did. I don't know about you but I don't function well without carbs, so even ketosis is hard to get into. I might try this for 3-5 days and see how it goes, it sounds very effective though. __________________ Greed is Good

05-24-2011, 11:17 AM	#23
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05-24-2011, 11:22 AM	#25
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05-24-2011, 11:28 AM	#28
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	Congrats on the fat loss but 152 lbs? Thats too small imo for somebody trying to be muscular. EDIT: unless you are under 5'7 Last edited by xNetworx; 05-24-2011 at 11:29 AM..

05-24-2011, 11:46 AM	#29
HardlinkSells Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 991	I weight 250 lol, but I am 6'2"

05-24-2011, 11:56 AM	#30
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,297	I don't really understand this stuff. You seem to try a lot of different programs. If you wanted to lose weight now, why did your last program fail? And at what point will you be back up to 160? What's the point of being at 152 right now? What's next? This just seems like a huge yo-yo and I don't see how that can be good for you long-term or how it can even make sense long-term. Unless you just like experimenting? __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available - 1st month free for GFY members - DM for details Wanted: CCBill pay sites for sale

05-24-2011, 12:04 PM	#33
DirtyDanza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,369	yeah im cutting weight right now miserable.... im ready to kill someone... can we talk about the fatty shit im going to eat thursday at 7pm please please pretty please..... __________________ AVN Nominated Camming Couple

05-24-2011, 02:37 PM	#45
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	That's a hell of a diet... I would starve on it, shit I'm hungry reading it. Then again I'm not looking to lose any weight or cut down. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation