dyna mo

i based it all on superfoods. ....if you are interested, this is, i think, i well put together list of the top superfoods, it has some of the exotics.

http://skinnyms.com/50-super-foods-t...shopping-list/

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You still have product?
How much sell it for ?

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dyna mo

oh yeah, i forgot about that, it's loaded it up with fiber, the usda is way off on fiber requirements imo! true though, by like 3-4x imo.

dyna mo

oh sorry, haven't gotten into the habit of checking that yet, i don't make it up in any real quantities anymore, it's a big big job, i'm focused primarliy on shooting these days tbh. it's what i'm supposed to be doing.

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1st link - do this long term only if you are a fan of heart attacks
2nd link - clusterfuck, didn't read
3rd link - it looks like a starvation diet to me, 1800 calories per day for an active guy???

Si

fair enough!

Yeah that's a shame man. It sounds like a really good product.

You know what it kind of reminds me of? That grog they eat in the Matrix.

Where they are saying about "It's got all you need for an entire day" or whatever it was. That's pretty cool, would make some people's lives a lot better I would imagine, if you can eat 4 tablespoons of one things and be set for the day, that's pretty cool!

Gotcha! I quite like walnuts in yoghurt, can't eat them very often plain, so I can understand that

PR_Glen

it bothers me when people go on about 'exotics' and super foods.. you don't have to go exotic to be healthy, and that is nothing more than a marketing ploy.

plenty of super foods here that anyone can buy at a grocery store, this is a non profit site and all research based. http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

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dyna mo

umm what bothers you? did you even click that link i provided? the 1st superfood on that list is a fucking apple.

i never even began to suggest people have to go exotic. but the simple fact is there are some exotic superfoods that have a vitamin, mineral or some other choice micronutrient that is not available in another food.

dyna mo

exotic superfood example- freeze dried cranberry powder.

Freeze Dried Cranberry Power is rich in phytonutrients, like resveratrol, pterostilbene, and proanthocyanins (PAC’s). These PAC’s are unique to and abundant in the cranberry, as they contain an A-type linkage that sets them apart from other fruits and vegetables with PAC’s.

Add the cranberry's substantial fiber content to these superlative health claims and you’ve got yourself a super fruit that rivals practically no other.

again, my goal was to create the most nutritionally dense cereal available, i use freeze-dried exotic superfoods to accomplish that.

Si

Well, I started this thread to find out more information on the diets, and have ended up with 2 business ideas . Not the same as your's DynaMo, I don't like leaching off other peoples ideas, although they are similar, in putting together a package of something.

That superfoods list is really good! I find it hard to get the fruits into my diet, I do drink fruit juices etc. But don't eat enough of them.

dyna mo

hey, that's super man. good luck. fruits are underrated for their unique, non-vegetable micro-nutrients + and over-criticized for their sugar content. fruit don't get no respect!

Si

I just read that first link aswell, I kind of agree with you there! I wouldn't (and don't) eat the fats off any meat, I sometimes have Chicken skin. It doesn't sound like the right diet for me anyway, Although a large portion of it is.

I only eat red meat once per week, and Eggs rarely due to cholesterol. I also only eat Prawns rarely for the same reason.

I'm thinking for my meat protein to go with; Chicken, Pork, Turkey, Salmon, Cod, Haddock, Mackrel (spelling?), whatever other fish I can get hold of.

I'll have Eggs, Steak, Prawns, Scallops etc. as a "treat" probably.

Si

Thanks man! Got some research to do.

There was a thread on here a while ago, you might have read it or even posted in it, about sugar(s)? I can't remember what it was now.

But anyway, I've always thought refined sugar is worse than naturally occuring sugars in fruits etc. But a lot of people kept suggesting "sugar, is sugar" I still don't believe that to be honest.

If I drank 2 litres of fruit juice one day, and 2 litres of coke another, I believe the natural sugars on the fruit juice day would be better dealt with by my body because they are natural, and give me added benefits. The coke day would probably fuck around with my bodies sugar levels, and give me no health benefits.

I reckon insulin levels, the pancreas, liver and kidneys probably deal with natural sugars from fruits, as opposed to the almost drug properties of refined sugar.

But, I don't know if that's all total bullshit, i'd rather have that mindset to try and stop myself drinking the dirty black stuff

baddog

I love walnuts. I was talking to an older Swiss guy one time about the cereal I ate and he told me his mother always told him as a kid that you can not go wrong by watching what birds eat.

I that is why I juice; no way would I eat enough fruits and veggies on my own.

Si

that's probably not bad advice actually! Seeds are a damn good source of all sorts of things.

I was having smoothies, but they were so thick! It was almost like drinking an extra meal after dinner, or I had to have it for lunch, which I didn't enjoy much on its own.

Juicer is next on my list to buy. Do you do anything with the left-overs? I read a suggestion of putting the pulp on a salad to get the remaining nutrients out of the fruit, and reduce wastage. Not sure it would taste too good, or be of much use myself, but some people do it apparently.

baddog

The dry pulp on a salad would suck. Sometimes we juice with the specific intent of using the pulp, such as carrots and pineapple for carrot cake. But most of the time it gets tossed.

People suggest that is a waste, but your body does the same with it.

dyna mo

it's a fun topic to dive into and the things you will learn can stick with you a long time too.

re: fruit, you are on the right path, overall, but generally speaking, it's the fiber that makes fruit ok and good. fruit juice for instance, is refined..... so the sugar in it is also considered refined. + it's not the ratio of sugar to liquid as soda pop. what is pop these days, 9-12 spoon fulls of sugar per 120z? fruit juice is far far from that, although still refined. but eating a piece of fruit, that gets you, imo, a naturally synergistic effect in addition to the fiber slowing down the sugar being absorbed.

not discounting juicing here, it has tremendous benefits.

baddog

1 cup of carrot or celery juice provides most of the same nutrients found in 5 cups of those same vegetables chopped up

http://cancer.stanford.edu/patient_c...ngRecipes.html

Si

Cake sounds like a good idea! I'll try that when I get one, for fruits without seeds/pips anyway.

Yeah I wouldn't have thought the pulp would be very nice to eat, but there ya go.

No idea, but it's probably too much sugar in soda. I also thought the sugar in fruits were almost like "complex carbs" you hear about etc. So I'm trying to have my first day of 0 bread for as long as I can remember today as well.

Done a 18 hour fast today. Need to start drinking more water, and doing some more working out.

It's strange how much better I feel, the longer I wait for a meal, seem to be able to pack in more good stuff into that meal aswell.

Just had; about 10 chunks of chicken breast, done in 2 different styles of kebab. With a skewer of red pepper and onion chunks, with another small skewer of mushrooms (thanks Baddog, never tried doing them that way before!) and a bit of Lettuce and Tomato on the side. No bread, no processed condiments, just salt, pepper and olive oil on most things, herbs and spices and some salt on the kebabs.

Yum!

Blimey! That's pretty good. I've never tried carrot juice on its own before to be honest. Juicing will probably help me get the benefits of some other things I can't stand on their own. Things like celery, beets, cucumber etc. I don't eat on their own, my taste buds don't seem to like them.

But, my tastes are changing, I never used to eat mushrooms, or asparagus, now I love both

Si

Just wanted to update the thread.....

The Paleo diet (for those interested), seems to be an easier / less strict keto diet from what I've been reading thus far. Here is the basic plan / breakdown I've been able to gather on what to do and when.

Sunday: Eat what you want, it's a rest day.
Monday: First fast, try to aim for 24 hours, non-caloric drinks up to your first meal of the day. Use BCAAs before and after working out.
Tuesday: Fast, 100 Grams of carbs MAX. Minor work out, such as a walk or run.
Wednesday: Fast, 100 grams of carbs MAX. Proper work out with BCAAs.
Thursday: Fast, 150 grams of carbs MAX, Minor work out.
Friday: Fast, 100 grams of carbs MAX, proper work out with BCAAs.
Saturday: Fast, 100 grams of carbs MAX, proper work out with BCAAs.

That's just the basis I can gather so far. Sounds like Keto but a lot easier to eat carbs with. The main thing seems to be avoiding all grains.

TheSquealer

You should understand that low carb and your body being in a state Ketosis is not comparable to this. Two very different things.... particularly when you mix in athletics/training.

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baddog

I just wrote an article about juicing outside your comfort zone; when I hit publish I will come back with a link. Juicing eliminates the "I don't like it" factor if you follow our method.

Si

Well, perhaps the Paleo diet isn't close to the Keto diet then. The concept I've gathered so far (still reading up on it) is this:

Fasting for 16 hours minimum per day (for 6 days, 1 day off).
Protein is important, Chicken, Eggs etc. are all on the list of foods.
Carbs come from fruits and veg, and the rest of the food list (nuts, seeds, beans etc).
No refined foods, like bread etc.
Avoid beer (be hard for me!) Red wine is apparently ok.

Anyway, When I read about the fasting, I thought/assumed it was the same thing DynaMo was doing. But it's obviously different in certain ways. I'd never manage minus 25g carbs per day anyway

Sounds good to me!

Side note: I've seen a juicer that can also make soy milk that's on sale, need to read some reviews first before buying one though .

baddog

http://facesofjuicing.com/juicing-ou...-comfort-zone/ I have an article on juicers there too.

And as far as not drinking beer, I have probably lost 30 lbs in the last two years . . . and I enjoy beer on a regular basis.

TheSquealer

A Ketogenic diet is forcing your body to burn fat as a primary source of fuel (being in "ketosis") as there is not sufficient carbs, no insulin, no blood sugar, glycogen stores are depleted etc.

The paleo diet is just another way of restricting calories as all diets are and all that will really matter in the end is what is working for you and what is sustainable for you. There is no magic answer as all diets are basically doing the exact same thing.

Without getting too far into it, it would seem to me that if you were going through that much trouble to count calories, macro nutrient ratio's etc... you might as well just figure out where you need your calories at based on your BMR + physical activity and shoot for a 500 a day deficit.


Also, its quite easy to stay below 25gr of carbs a day, as you will have virtually no appetite and no cravings and very stable energy levels

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Si

Good article I heard previously, that lemon juice is the best thing to use to nullify any un-savoury flavours in a juice recipe. Probably because it's so tart. I think it was mostly for vegetable only recipes though.

I read the one for the juicer aswell, Breville stuff is usually pretty good actually! Not going to rush into buying a juicer, I'm going to read all of the reviews possible on them before I even think of getting one. I'm pretty sure I've seen the one you suggest in quite a few top 5s and top 10s

Si

Gotcha! I think the Paleo diet is focused on fasted training and keeping insulin levels in check for long periods, not so much the ketosis aspect.

I'm giving it a shot, I'll probably end up doing partly my own thing, and maybe mixing it in with something else to make it suit me personally, and make it into a plan of what I could/would like to do.

I'm planning on doing either a website or blog to go along with this, could be interesting to write everything out.

Si

What beer is that by the way Baddog? It almost looks like strawberry Fruli, but not as dark.

Perhaps a Raspberry IPA? I was going to say wheat, but unless it's been put through a filter, it looks too clear.

xNetworx

I should be in ketosis soon. Started this yesterday:


MEAL #1 5 whole eggs (OMEGA-3 EGGS ); add another 4 egg whites to this

MEAL #2 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)....

MEAL #3 "Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/3-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

MEAL #4 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added

MEAL #5 "Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar..

MEAL #6 SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites..

Si

Are you sure you're getting enough protein there? (sarcasm!)

I done 15 hours fast (not long enough for my liking, forgot myself and drank a caloric drink at 9pm which screwed me up). Broke that fast (after some sporadic training), with an omelette of; 2 eggs, with 2 slices of ham, 1 slice of turkey, some Serano chilli pepper, some bell pepper, 1 spring onion and a touch of salt, garlic and pepper all thrown into it, no bread, no condiments.

I'm just playing around with things at the moment, going to have another week of experimenting with foods, fasting, training etc. to see what fits me best.

TheSquealer

Why so much whey?

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Choopa Phil

^ how about throwing in some egg whites and avocados get rid of all that powder. Get liquid egg whites, theyre pasturized so you can drink they raw and still absorb nutrients. 1/2 your whey intake. 8oz of egg whites mixed with 1 scoop of chocolate whey. Much better nutrient profile.

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I was more thinking that:

1) it's pretty expensive and not necessary
2) size/strength gains aren't gonna happen in Ketosis (appears he's in that bodybuilding mode)
3) recovery is also severely impaired with the accompanying dehydration making the whey redundant if thats the intent.

If its a cyclical diet... still probably not really useful to eat so much whey unless its during the carb loading phase.

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baddog

I hate adding lemon to my juices; it has to be done with definite moderation. As far a neutralizers; apples and pears are great for neutralizing the weird tasting things; but kale, bok choy, ginger root and garlic really bring out lots of flavor while hiding things you might not like.


The one in the tulip glass is a Palate Wrecker by Green Flash Brewing Co.; the one behind it in the 4oz taster is a Maracaibo Especial by Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales and the one up front is Hitachino Nest Red Rice Ale by Kiuchi Brewery

Si

Notes taken on the juicing. I quite like lemon or lime juice in water, just something I either read or heard of before, put lemon in to add tartness and reduce some of the stronger flavours (I think it might have been related to wheatgrass juicing). Apple and Pear sounds better though.

Surprised there was no mention of fruit being used in any of those beers, my first thought was "fruit beer? Ummm!".

The Hitachino one sounds really nice. Mentions Sake notes in the finish, love that stuff. They've got a cool website too: http://hitachinonest.com/

That's something else I've been doing when possible, making my own beer. I've only got as far as using pre-prepared wort, or, the malt extract cans so far. Needs a lot more reading and equipment to do an "all grain" beer. It takes a long time aswell, so I now know why craft beer is both worth the money, and what makes it special and different.

dyna mo

SI, plz remind me what your goal is again? what are your stats now? what about before?

Si

I've still got to work that out. I need to buy some scales, and also I'll have to convert my old weight for you from stone to pounds. I was about 12 stone (168lbs), I'm currently (probably) around 15 (210lbs) (maybe more) now. At 6' 3", that probably doesn't sound too bad, but all the extra weight is sitting around the middle.

Visually, I've got the legs of a tour de france guy (used to bike a lot!) so no worries there, My arms are long so they look skinny (wouldn't mind adding some muscle there), and I've got a spare tire where my abs are hiding underneath .

My goal, is to reduce fat around the middle, lose some weight. Then, maybe work on building more muscle where I want to.

Sound like a good plan from your perspective?

xNetworx

way too much whey? ;) I posted my cutting diet. I'm trying to lose 5-8% body fat without losing muscle. Mostly doing low intensity cardio and will lift heavy short sets 2-3x a week if I have the energy. Just bought another tub of gold standard whey.

dyna mo

so you want to lose ~40 pounds and tone up/gain some musclature. plan seems right to me. you're going to get a more profound fat loss result focusing on diet as opposd to exercise. after you drop a reasonable amount you can ramp up the resistance exercise.

p.s. you will make it much easier on yourself by skipping the beer too. also note, beer = pure carbs, so in addition to added cals, etc, even a small amount of beer will throw a carb focused diet into disarray.

Si

Yeah that sounds about right, I'll see how things go, and keep an eye on things.
Just need a few more "tools" like weighing scales, and perhaps a few other things to help with cooking some different meals, and a juicer, then I'll be set.

I only drink low-carb beer at the moment, but I might try and move to drinking only on the "re-fuel" day (Sunday), I'll see how things go! I must have easily cut out 100g carbs today that I would normally eat/drink. I'd still drink beer on top of that tonight aswell.

Tell you what though, drinking only water and green tea has made me strangely active today. Not a buzz or anything, just a constant stream of energy. Could be the fasting as well doing that.