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Shok · 04-02-2003, 02:16 PM

Is it true that when you are in a room filled with hookers, you are oblivious and just think they are really nice to you?

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo

Speaking of man ass....

I remember when SOMEONE registered the domains

ColonCowboy.com
and
RumpWrangler.com

and had these grand visions of a western themed network of gay sites...

every idea man has an occassional dud.
and you forgot the 3rd url: homohillbilly.com

Mr. Jim · 04-02-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

do what everyone else does, use an email harvester on GFY and spam everyone.
No, really. don't you guys have a huge email base by now?

Yeah we do.....with the industry becoming more fragmented than it was say five years ago it is much harder I think for a new webmaster to make the wise decisions. With so many different options available even some of the old faithful solutions seem to get layered in the mix.

I look forward to getting the Holio branded name back to the front of the industry in the months to come. It is, has been, and will continue to be one of the very best solutions in the industry for new webmasters and for existing giants.

Awesome thread.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Shok
Is it true that when you are in a room filled with hookers, you are oblivious and just think they are really nice to you?

Sadly, this is true. My vanity has betrayed me twice that way.

Mojo · 04-02-2003, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shok
Is it true that when you are in a room filled with hookers, you are oblivious and just think they are really nice to you?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

He was half drunk at the time.

That was also the night he gave his Rolex president to some bimbo for "safekeeping" while he played foosball.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimholio

Yeah we do.....with the industry becoming more fragmented than it was say five years ago it is much harder I think for a new webmaster to make the wise decisions. With so many different options available even some of the old faithful solutions seem to get layered in the mix.

I look forward to getting the Holio branded name back to the front of the industry in the months to come. It is, has been, and will continue to be one of the very best solutions in the industry for new webmasters and for existing giants.

Awesome thread.

Jim, get a hold of mojo. ;)

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

He was half drunk at the time.

That was also the night he gave his Rolex president to some bimbo for "safekeeping" while he played foosball.

No, I was all drunk, I was arm wrestling, and that bimbo was a guy.

forgetting who I gave the watch to for a minute gave me a chill.

Shok · 04-02-2003, 02:21 PM

Wasn't this picture taken that night?

04-02-2003, 02:28 PM

yaay! my turn!

mr 12clicks, can I call you my hero? (until further notice)
and finally, may I have your ICQ number?

thanx!

Marcus · 04-02-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

while I'm here, sure.

thanks

I've been promoting mostly mainstream niches on a $35 per signup sponsor and I do ok with them.

I found this microniche 50/50 rev share that been an easy sell, usually around 1:100 and retains a little above average, but since it's a microniche theres not a lot of traffic for it.

My ROI for promoting mainstream stuff is about 300% and my ROI for the microniche is about 3000%. But I make more money with the mainstream because it has a much bigger audience and because there aren't many places to advertise the microniche.

So should I keep doing what I'm doing, focus on whats bringing me the most money and continue pushing the microniche lightly, or should I take a big risk and ditch the mainstream and promote the microniche like crazy and hope it works?

I mean I look at people like Quiet, Marc De and Lensman and they make money because they sell popular sites that have the biggest audience.

vegas2003 · 04-02-2003, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
I'm taking the day off from exposing dopes, idiots, and sleazballs and will spend it helping newbies. This is an offer that comes around about once every 5 yrs or so.

Anyone going to take me up on the offer?

I have a serious question-I want to start a handjob/footjob site but have never run a site before-I just want to know what $ investment I'd be looking at and how difficult it is to find girls here in Vegas who are hot enough to shoot-thanks

Serge_Oprano · 04-02-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shok
Wasn't this picture taken that night?

like father, like son
;-))

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf
yaay! my turn!

mr 12clicks, can I call you my hero? (until further notice)
and finally, may I have your ICQ number?

thanx!

you better hold off on the hero thing. ;)
15600219 but I won't be on icq till morning.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marcus

thanks

I've been promoting mostly mainstream niches on a $35 per signup sponsor and I do ok with them.

I found this microniche 50/50 rev share that been an easy sell, usually around 1:100 and retains a little above average, but since it's a microniche theres not a lot of traffic for it.

My ROI for promoting mainstream stuff is about 300% and my ROI for the microniche is about 3000%. But I make more money with the mainstream because it has a much bigger audience and because there aren't many places to advertise the microniche.

So should I keep doing what I'm doing, focus on whats bringing me the most money and continue pushing the microniche lightly, or should I take a big risk and ditch the mainstream and promote the microniche like crazy and hope it works?

I mean I look at people like Quiet, Marc De and Lensman and they make money because they sell popular sites that have the biggest audience.

I think you have to keep up your mainstream stuff and find EXTRA time to work the micro niche. Like most micro niches, it will probably cool in time and you don't want to lose focus on the mainstream stuff and then have to start over when the micro niche slows.
If you spend 10 hours a day working now, work 11 hours and spend that extra hour on the micro.
mainstream porn has been making money forever, don't abandon it.

Mr. Jim · 04-02-2003, 02:50 PM

Per Sir 12clicks

Mojo hit me up [email protected]

04-02-2003, 02:51 PM

another question this way please

if I run 5 galleries and buy 1 million hits to each of them from choker, and the gallery is nice and the sponsors convert o.k, what is a ideal CTR? and by the end of the month, should I be very well-off? or still a long way to go?

thanx again!

Marcus · 04-02-2003, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

I think you have to keep up your mainstream stuff and find EXTRA time to work the micro niche. Like most micro niches, it will probably cool in time and you don't want to lose focus on the mainstream stuff and then have to start over when the micro niche slows.
If you spend 10 hours a day working now, work 11 hours and spend that extra hour on the micro.
mainstream porn has been making money forever, don't abandon it.

thank you Very much
I really appreciate that

dantheman · 04-02-2003, 02:54 PM

it's good to see serge and ron on the same page

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegas2003
I have a serious question-I want to start a handjob/footjob site but have never run a site before-I just want to know what $ investment I'd be looking at and how difficult it is to find girls here in Vegas who are hot enough to shoot-thanks

Well, you can usually find girls to work for cheap but since the action is always the same, you'll need a variety of girls. I could guess at what it would cost but you really won't be sure until you talk to models. keep the shoot short.
Then for the paysite, use someone elses back end as filler for your site (like holio)
That will get you started and then just reinvest ALL of the profits for a while.

NineNine · 04-02-2003, 02:58 PM

Ok, a REAL question...
I run a small-mid sized TGP (20K+ uniques daily). It was pretty easy to get here, but my traffic has stopped increasing. I'm doing link trades, I have no blind links, and the quality of my galleries is decent. What can I do to boost traffic? Or, why isn't it increasing?

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf
another question this way please

if I run 5 galleries and buy 1 million hits to each of them from choker, and the gallery is nice and the sponsors convert o.k, what is a ideal CTR? and by the end of the month, should I be very well-off? or still a long way to go?

thanx again!

I can't answer that. there are too many variables. really.
I doubt very much you'll be well off though.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NineNine
Ok, a REAL question...
I run a small-mid sized TGP (20K+ uniques daily). It was pretty easy to get here, but my traffic has stopped increasing. I'm doing link trades, I have no blind links, and the quality of my galleries is decent. What can I do to boost traffic? Or, why isn't it increasing?

you need to step up and better your trades. to keep growing, you've got to trade with other TGPs who are bigger than you. This is a major challenge and this is where a lot of TGPs fail.

NineNine · 04-02-2003, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

you need to step up and better your trades. to keep growing, you've got to trade with other TGPs who are bigger than you. This is a major challenge and this is where a lot of TGPs fail.

I'm already trading with some big ones, but I don't force hits with blind links. But, I'm concerned that if I do that, I'll piss off surfers so that they won't come back, and will *never* buy anything from me. Should I use a moderate amount of blindlinks, or play it straight? I'm interested in becoming a big TGP, and I'm not so interested in a quick buck (but that's always nice, too). So, to force or not to force?

Marcus · 04-02-2003, 03:10 PM

What are some other things I can do to make money besides tgp'ing? I have a little money I can invest to try new things.

Right now I'm at the mercy of the gallery reviewer if he feels like listing me or not, and especially now with all the hosted galleries it's really getting extremely hard to get listed.

I tried google ppc but I broke even with it, I did freesites but the traffic I got from them was so low it was a waste of time so I stopped.

The only 2 things I haven't tried are top lists and avs sites.

I've asked this question everywhere and NOONE will/can answer it, even thought I'm willing to pay money for the answer

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NineNine

I'm already trading with some big ones, but I don't force hits with blind links. But, I'm concerned that if I do that, I'll piss off surfers so that they won't come back, and will *never* buy anything from me. Should I use a moderate amount of blindlinks, or play it straight? I'm interested in becoming a big TGP, and I'm not so interested in a quick buck (but that's always nice, too). So, to force or not to force?

Understand that there are many opinions about this.
mine is, fuck the surfer! If you run your site to not piss of the surfer, you'll never make big money. (even the hun fucks the surfer a little) Your surfers are NOT surfing to make you happy. they aren't thinking"if I don't buy something from NineNine, he won't give me good galleries" so why should you think "if I piss off surfers they won't buy something"?
you need volume, not loyalty. Now I'll admit you have to find a balance but if you get the same people coming to your site everyday, that means one thing: they are getting what they want from you. you want them to not quite get enough from you so they ARE tempted to buy something.

IF YOU WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE SURFER, YOU'LL NEVER GROW TO THE SIZE YOU SHOULD.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marcus
What are some other things I can do to make money besides tgp'ing? I have a little money I can invest to try new things.

Right now I'm at the mercy of the gallery reviewer if he feels like listing me or not, and especially now with all the hosted galleries it's really getting extremely hard to get listed.

I tried google ppc but I broke even with it, I did freesites but the traffic I got from them was so low it was a waste of time so I stopped.

The only 2 things I haven't tried are top lists and avs sites.

I've asked this question everyone and NOONE will/can answer it, even thought I'm willing to pay for the answer

I've always liked toplists.

I really think the way to go is to make your own paysite. ccbill and jettis make it too easy NOT to have your own paysite. With it, you can make money a million ways. make deals with TGPs for steady traffic, buy exits, etc. Its a buyers market, take advantage of it.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 03:17 PM

ok, I'm heading to dinner. I'll be around later if you guys still have questions.

Marcus · 04-02-2003, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

I've always liked toplists.
I really think the way to go is to make your own paysite. ccbill and jettis make it too easy NOT to have your own paysite. With it, you can make money a million ways. make deals with TGPs for steady traffic, buy exits, etc. Its a buyers market, take advantage of it.

you r0ck so hard
thanks again

NineNine · 04-02-2003, 03:21 PM

Thanks very much!!!

04-02-2003, 03:27 PM

enjoy your meal

TheJimmy · 04-02-2003, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

IF YOU WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE SURFER, YOU'LL NEVER GROW TO THE SIZE YOU SHOULD.

sound familiar 99?

NineNine · 04-02-2003, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheJimmy

sound familiar 99?

Blow me, TJ!

Hey, I'm not doing THAT bad... I've got a FAT new dedicated server on the way, and it's paid for every month.

I've actually been too busy with webmasters trying to fuck me on my TGP to deal with those annoying, leeching surfers.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 05:47 PM

anyone else?

docomofo · 04-02-2003, 06:55 PM

Is there any money left in producing content anymore...seems like the market is saturated and much of it is comming out of the old eastern block, dragging the price down. Is content a dead business if you live in the states?

nofx · 04-02-2003, 07:22 PM

where do babies come from?

04-02-2003, 07:33 PM

if I have 10 000$ to invest in something big, something that would potentially make me rich, in what should I invest in?

thanx again buddy, really appreciated!

ownerland · 04-02-2003, 07:34 PM

Are you an attorney or webmaster?

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by docomofo
Is there any money left in producing content anymore...seems like the market is saturated and much of it is comming out of the old eastern block, dragging the price down. Is content a dead business if you live in the states?

No, I think there's still plenty of money to be made. Especially for video. prices might be down now but producing content is more than just shooting chicks, you gotta be able to market to webmasters as well. If no one knows who you are, how are they going to buy your stuff?

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nofx
where do babies come from?

when you finally give up men and have sex with a woman, it will happen.

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf
if I have 10 000$ to invest in something big, something that would potentially make me rich, in what should I invest in?

thanx again buddy, really appreciated!

10,000 isn't enough to invest in something big but its enough to invest in something.
Honestly? no, I can't say. It's something I'm working on.

my second choice again would be building your own paysite. you *can* do it for 10k

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by ownerland
Are you an attorney or webmaster?

I'm probably not either.

I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to tell me what I am but that's a different story.

nofx · 04-02-2003, 08:30 PM

Do you think that a pacifist should have to pay taxes that go towards funding the military?

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by nofx
Do you think that a pacifist should have to pay taxes that go towards funding the military?

I think they should have to pay double.
The only way a pacifist can even EXIST is because someone else has made where they live safe for them to parade around like a woman.

04-02-2003, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nofx
Do you think that a pacifist should have to pay taxes that go towards funding the military?

thats a good question

TheJimmy · 04-02-2003, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NineNine

Blow me, TJ!

Hey, I'm not doing THAT bad... I've got a FAT new dedicated server on the way, and it's paid for every month.

I've actually been too busy with webmasters trying to fuck me on my TGP to deal with those annoying, leeching surfers.

right on!

you KNOW I couldn't resist that statement though haha...

Serge_Oprano · 04-02-2003, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nofx
Do you think that a pacifist should have to pay taxes that go towards funding the military?

no...if one moves to Antarctica!

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

no...if one moves to Antarctica!

I like my answer better.
your's is too soft.

PANTYHOSE PROPHET · 04-02-2003, 08:43 PM

In a single paragraph. What is the very first bit of advice you would give a newbie who would like to be earning 40k+/year?

Serge_Oprano · 04-02-2003, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PANTYHOSE PROPHET
In a single paragraph. What is the very first bit of advice you would give a newbie who would like to be earning 40k+/year?

spread your legs and charge DOUBLE!
;-)))

12clicks · 04-02-2003, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PANTYHOSE PROPHET
In a single paragraph. What is the very first bit of advice you would give a newbie who would like to be earning 40k+/year?

Ask everyone you can think of who they look up to and who they trust, then start working on thier down line until you talk to the people who work for/with the people everyone looks up to. Find out what they do and then do what they do.
never lie, never cheat, offer to do favors for people, and above all, NEVER post in controversial threads NEVER.
oh, and be funny.
Everyone likes funny.

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Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	What are some other things I can do to make money besides tgp'ing? I have a little money I can invest to try new things. Right now I'm at the mercy of the gallery reviewer if he feels like listing me or not, and especially now with all the hosted galleries it's really getting extremely hard to get listed. I tried google ppc but I broke even with it, I did freesites but the traffic I got from them was so low it was a waste of time so I stopped. The only 2 things I haven't tried are top lists and avs sites. I've asked this question everywhere and NOONE will/can answer it, even thought I'm willing to pay money for the answer Last edited by Marcus; 04-02-2003 at 03:14 PM..

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	ok, I'm heading to dinner. I'll be around later if you guys still have questions. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	anyone else? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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Shok Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LIVE EVIL Posts: 5,611	Is it true that when you are in a room filled with hookers, you are oblivious and just think they are really nice to you?

04-02-2003, 02:21 PM	#508
Shok Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LIVE EVIL Posts: 5,611	Wasn't this picture taken that night?

04-02-2003, 02:28 PM	#509
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	yaay! my turn! mr 12clicks, can I call you my hero? (until further notice) and finally, may I have your ICQ number? thanx!

04-02-2003, 02:50 PM	#515
Mr. Jim Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,372	Per Sir 12clicks Mojo hit me up [email protected]

04-02-2003, 02:51 PM	#516
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	another question this way please if I run 5 galleries and buy 1 million hits to each of them from choker, and the gallery is nice and the sponsors convert o.k, what is a ideal CTR? and by the end of the month, should I be very well-off? or still a long way to go? thanx again!

04-02-2003, 02:58 PM	#520
NineNine So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 256	Ok, a REAL question... I run a small-mid sized TGP (20K+ uniques daily). It was pretty easy to get here, but my traffic has stopped increasing. I'm doing link trades, I have no blind links, and the quality of my galleries is decent. What can I do to boost traffic? Or, why isn't it increasing?

04-02-2003, 03:21 PM	#529
NineNine So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 256	Thanks very much!!!

04-02-2003, 03:27 PM	#530
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	enjoy your meal

04-02-2003, 06:55 PM	#534
docomofo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: in a p4 Posts: 71	Is there any money left in producing content anymore...seems like the market is saturated and much of it is comming out of the old eastern block, dragging the price down. Is content a dead business if you live in the states?

04-02-2003, 07:33 PM	#536
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	if I have 10 000$ to invest in something big, something that would potentially make me rich, in what should I invest in? thanx again buddy, really appreciated!

04-02-2003, 07:34 PM	#537
ownerland So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 153	Are you an attorney or webmaster?

04-02-2003, 08:30 PM	#542
nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	Do you think that a pacifist should have to pay taxes that go towards funding the military? __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

04-02-2003, 08:43 PM	#548
PANTYHOSE PROPHET Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 287	In a single paragraph. What is the very first bit of advice you would give a newbie who would like to be earning 40k+/year?