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NetRodent · 05-25-2002, 10:40 AM

Appearently Sleazy's still pissed about at 12clicks because of a gangbang gone wrong...

http://www.sleazydream.com/10i/a2.html

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent
Appearently Sleazy's still pissed about at 12clicks because of a gangbang gone wrong...

http://www.sleazydream.com/10i/a2.html

some stalkers are scarier than others. thank god his trailer park is not near anything important.

Pornwolf · 05-25-2002, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

... For those of you who are young and never had any other real job, realize what you've got here. It the easiest job you'll ever have. If you fuck it up, you'll regret it for the rest of your life.

Definitely words of wisdom here!

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf

Definitely words of wisdom here!

it's what keeps the older guys going.

Naughty · 05-25-2002, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
am I doing good?

i'd say you are. I think any thread where people are willing to share their internet wisdom, is a good thread.

Another question, about a year ago you where talking about a GSM related program you where starting, you were also going to launch that for europe. We have a good GSM Toplist (lots of Germans) we might be able to use for that program.. any progress?

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Naughty

i'd say you are. I think any thread where people are willing to share their internet wisdom, is a good thread.

Another question, about a year ago you where talking about a GSM related program you where starting, you were also going to launch that for europe. We have a good GSM Toplist (lots of Germans) we might be able to use for that program.. any progress?

No, not a lot of progress. it seems europe doesn't pay enough to obtain new customers to make it viable. We're still looking into it, its just taking longer than expected to come up with an answer. We've also had to be fast on our feet because of the rapid changes and semi-collapse of the US market. We're seriously looking to start our own business for it. We have the model all worked out, we just need to part with about 18 mil to do it right.

G Sharp · 05-25-2002, 10:55 AM

Thanks, Shooter.

G Sharp

Quote:

Originally posted by Shooter
Standard Internet

http://www.standardinternet.com I believe.

They own http://www.clickheretofind.com and http://www.searchtraffic.com among many other sites. One of the, if not the, biggest non-adult sponsors around.

Gary · 05-25-2002, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

No, not a lot of progress. it seems europe doesn't pay enough to obtain new customers to make it viable. We're still looking into it, its just taking longer than expected to come up with an answer. We've also had to be fast on our feet because of the rapid changes and semi-collapse of the US market. We're seriously looking to start our own business for it. We have the model all worked out, we just need to part with about 18 mil to do it right.

If you need help with financing, i got 20 bucks burning a hole in my pocket.

Brian · 05-25-2002, 11:02 AM

12Clicks,

if you had to start a partnership program with a few paysites, what niches would they be?

I saw your earlier post about pushing a niche that you enjoy, but let's say you enjoy most of them.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary

If you need help with financing, i got 20 bucks burning a hole in my pocket.

dude, don't float your excuse for all of your pockets having holes here. we aren't buying it.

Gary · 05-25-2002, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

dude, don't float your excuse for all of your pockets having holes here. we aren't buying it.

Thats right, expose my desperate starte of poverty for all to see.

Kimmykim · 05-25-2002, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I'm pointing out that although many people think 12clicks is a somebody (esp 12clicks himself), KNOW that he has RIPPED off a LOT of people and doesn't exactly have the reputation he wants everyone to think he has.

And who are YOU? What have YOU done in this industry that would make anyone other than your 3l337 friends care what you say or do?

It's not too hard to ask around and find out that outside your little circle, no one knows you, no one cares to.

You aren't even enough of a blip on the radar screen to have people that hate you.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian
12Clicks,

if you had to start a partnership program with a few paysites, what niches would they be?

I saw your earlier post about pushing a niche that you enjoy, but let's say you enjoy most of them.

I'd do Amateur I think. I know its kinda big to be a "niche" but its a good place to start. the content is easy and cheaper than alot of the other niches and there is definately an interest with the surfers. you could group your content by states and pretend they're all girl next door types. it would be a start and the rest would just present itself as you grew it.

daniela · 05-25-2002, 11:10 AM

well, i am a newbie

got for few weeks around the tgp2 idea, find ich good *

my question:

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary

If you need help with financing, i got 20 bucks burning a hole in my pocket.

funny, only 20 bucks but you haven't asked any questions.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by daniela
well, i am a newbie

got for few weeks around the tgp2 idea, find ich good *

my question:

was that a premature enter click.???

SleazyDream · 05-25-2002, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

And who are YOU? What have YOU done in this industry that would make anyone other than your 3l337 friends care what you say or do?

It's not too hard to ask around and find out that outside your little circle, no one knows you, no one cares to.

You aren't even enough of a blip on the radar screen to have people that hate you.

excuse my stupidity but what does 31337 refer to, you seem to use it a lot.

Only thing I've done that people have noticed is you babe.

outside of your circles no one knows who you or 12clicks are. DUUUU.

http://info.alexa.com/data/details?url=sleazydream.com
you're right, I'm a nobody. Noone knows who I am.

Kimmykim · 05-25-2002, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

excuse my stupidity but what does 31337 refer to, you seem to use it a lot.

You are stupid, thats for sure.

SleazyDream · 05-25-2002, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

You are stupid, thats for sure.

then enlighten me

Fletch XXX · 05-25-2002, 11:17 AM

There's Some strange Things Goin On In This Town.... you can say that again Mr Garrisson

Kimmykim · 05-25-2002, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

then enlighten me

Why would I? That still wouldn't change the fact that you are what you are.

SleazyDream · 05-25-2002, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Why would I? That still wouldn't change the fact that you are what you are.

you're full of shit then.

daniela · 05-25-2002, 11:25 AM

have a look
www.easypixs.com/index.htm:)

Kat - Fast · 05-25-2002, 11:34 AM

Sleazy - would you please now shut the fuck up. This is the wrong thread for trying to start a pissing match.

12Clicks - How come I know all the answers and have managed to earn less money than when I knew nothing?

I have more sites, more traffic, more variety, better load times, near perfect coding and less $£$£$

SleazyDream · 05-25-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kat
Sleazy - would you please now shut the fuck up. This is the wrong thread for trying to start a pissing match.

12Clicks - How come I know all the answers and have managed to earn less money than when I knew nothing?

I have more sites, more traffic, more variety, better load times, near perfect coding and less $£$£$

arn't you the smart one then?

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by daniela
have a look
www.easypixs.com/index.htm:)

is your question "should I have more advertising?"

my answer is yes.

seriously, the site looks ok, what's your question?

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kat

12Clicks - How come I know all the answers and have managed to earn less money than when I knew nothing?

I have more sites, more traffic, more variety, better load times, near perfect coding and less $£$£$

well, its definately more competitive out there today and surfers don't buy like they used to. the do the trial and scram.

are you doing more than just tgp?
if so, what?

Snake Doctor · 05-25-2002, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

you should always use all three. I like recurring because some of these surfers just recur forever. You'd be leaving a lot of money on the table if you used ONLY recurring, however.

Ok I'm going to be a newbie and ask you to explain this one.
Theoretically speaking, a program can only afford to pay out so much of its revenue to advertisers and still remain profitable.
I know there is definitely money to be made on the exit traffic, and a little bit to be made on upsells in the members areas, but there are a few programs that pay per sign up AND pay on all of the exit console sales.

So over the long term, shouldn't the money from a recurring program be the same as the income from a per sign up, all other things being equal?
And wouldn't recurring be the way to go since you yourself said earlier that very few companies will be able to stay with the per sign up model in the future?

Kimmykim · 05-25-2002, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

you're full of shit then.

Nope, not me. Look in the mirror. You come on here and try to start shit all the time. I've helped plenty of people on this board, all they've had to do is ask, and I don't go around insulting the general population here with my stupid talk of how great my parties are, how much I charge people to get into them, how great my counter stats are, and so on.

When you actually contribute to anything worthwhile around here, then I'll consider changing my mind about your idiocy.

Fletch XXX · 05-25-2002, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

excuse my stupidity but what does 31337 refer to, you seem to use it a lot.

Thats a term Electronic Cowboys have used for years, Im not sure how it began to have anything to do with Adult Webmaster status... but originally it is hacker status brother... I Laugh when I see people use it in refernce to webmasters, since "hacker" has blown up so much since my friend <a href=http://kevinmitnick.com>Kevin Mitnick</a> he hosts a computer related security talk show on a AM current at 6 Am on Sunday if anyone is in my area and cares to listen in, THEn you may be 3L33t ;)

Eleet is really for the h@c|<

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2

Ok I'm going to be a newbie and ask you to explain this one.
Theoretically speaking, a program can only afford to pay out so much of its revenue to advertisers and still remain profitable.
I know there is definitely money to be made on the exit traffic, and a little bit to be made on upsells in the members areas, but there are a few programs that pay per sign up AND pay on all of the exit console sales.

So over the long term, shouldn't the money from a recurring program be the same as the income from a per sign up, all other things being equal?
And wouldn't recurring be the way to go since you yourself said earlier that very few companies will be able to stay with the per sign up model in the future?

um, yes.

I said I like recurring best. I don't quite know what your asking with ""shouldn't the money from a recurring program be the same as the income from a per sign up, all other things being equal? ""
equal to who, the webmaster? not really. you may hit a patch of surfers who don't recur for long. in that case, you're ok in persignup. what you are doing in recurring is taking the risk that the sponsor usually takes and getting the reward that they get as well with the guys who recur forever. the difference between the say, 35.00 per signup and the 50% recurring could be looked at as the VIG the house takes to share in their action.

see what I'm saying?
or did I miss your question?

Snake Doctor · 05-25-2002, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

see what I'm saying?
or did I miss your question?

Yeah I guess what I really wanted to know is why you say we're leaving a lot of money on the table if we go with ONLY recurring.

Mr.Fiction · 05-25-2002, 12:59 PM

12 Clicks. Why doesn't SI have its own PPC search engine?

DarkJedi · 05-25-2002, 01:22 PM

12clicks: whats the most efficient way to filter traffic ?

SleazyDream · 05-25-2002, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Nope, not me. Look in the mirror. You come on here and try to start shit all the time. I've helped plenty of people on this board, all they've had to do is ask, and I don't go around insulting the general population here with my stupid talk of how great my parties are, how much I charge people to get into them, how great my counter stats are, and so on.

When you actually contribute to anything worthwhile around here, then I'll consider changing my mind about your idiocy.

horse shit - like usual.

You boast about your CCbill parties. - You say no one else's even comes close.

You insult people like crazy. I dont' think I even know of a thread where you arn't insulting someone.

You brag about how big and wonderful CCbill is. - constantly - and spam for it on here like crazy.

Basically you're full of shit and it stinks.

the only thing you consider worthwile is if someone wants to become your client. you're nothing better than a cheap whore.

phogirl69 · 05-25-2002, 01:39 PM

Hi, just a few questions for 12 clicks, and thanks for answering btw

1.) Who in your opinion are the Top 3 recurring sponsors in terms of retention?

2.)Do you ever think any measures will ever be passed in the US
government, such as COPA that would ban ALL adult material, or would require all explicit material to be placed behind some sort of AVS?

3.)Do you think it's better to have a few large sites with A LOT of traffic (such as a high traffic TGP) , or thousands of small 3-4 page feeder sites with agressive advertising, fpa's, with the ONLY purpose of sending a surfer to a sponsor and getting traffic from SE and small link lists? I personally think the latter is MUCH better and it's worked for me quite well , but everyone these days is so caught up in "high traffic 100k tgp's" (bad traffic), so I would like to know what YOU think.

4.) Do you think it's better to send traffic directly to a sponsor or to send them to a targeted full page ad with with blurs and exits where you offer the surfer other niches of interests and "Join For Free" stuff on the last exits if he doesn't bite? Do you feel this is maximizing you traffic or is it better to get a surfer to the sponsor as quick as possible?

Thanks 12 Clicks!

SleazyDream · 05-25-2002, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
Hi, just a few questions for 12 clicks, and thanks for answering btw

1.) Who in your opinion are the Top 3 recurring sponsors in terms of retention?

2.)Do you ever think any measures will ever be passed in the US
government, such as COPA that would ban ALL adult material, or would require all explicit material to be placed behind some sort of AVS?

3.)Do you think it's better to have a few large sites with A LOT of traffic (such as a high traffic TGP) , or thousands of small 3-4 page feeder sites with agressive advertising, fpa's, with the ONLY purpose of sending a surfer to a sponsor and getting traffic from SE and small link lists? I personally think the latter is MUCH better and it's worked for me quite well , but everyone these days is so caught up in "high traffic 100k tgp's" (bad traffic), so I would like to know what YOU think.

4.) Do you think it's better to send traffic directly to a sponsor or to send them to a targeted full page ad with with blurs and exits where you offer the surfer other niches of interests and "Join For Free" stuff on the last exits if he doesn't bite? Do you feel this is maximizing you traffic or is it better to get a surfer to the sponsor as quick as possible?

Thanks 12 Clicks!

why not ask him some questions that he knows the real answers to.

Like:
How do you rip off a newbie and sell traffic to them for more than it will convert for?

How do you cancel clean accounts without worring how you will sleep at night?

phogirl69 · 05-25-2002, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
Hi, just a few questions for 12 clicks, and thanks for answering btw

1.) Who in your opinion are the Top 3 recurring sponsors in terms of retention?

2.)Do you ever think any measures will ever be passed in the US
government, such as COPA that would ban ALL adult material, or would require all explicit material to be placed behind some sort of AVS?

3.)Do you think it's better to have a few large sites with A LOT of traffic (such as a high traffic TGP) , or thousands of small 3-4 page feeder sites with agressive advertising, fpa's, with the ONLY purpose of sending a surfer to a sponsor and getting traffic from SE and small link lists? I personally think the latter is MUCH better and it's worked for me quite well , but everyone these days is so caught up in "high traffic 100k tgp's" (bad traffic), so I would like to know what YOU think.

I

4.) Do you think it's better to send traffic directly to a sponsor or to send them to a targeted full page ad with with blurs and exits where you offer the surfer other niches of interests and "Join For Free" stuff on the last exits if he doesn't bite? Do you feel this is maximizing you traffic or is it better to get a surfer to the sponsor as quick as possible?

Thanks 12 Clicks!

I forgot to add #5

Do you think the business model of thousands of small freesites still work in today's environment? I know some veteran webmasters that have 4 or 5 dedicated servers with thousands of mini feeder sites, and do well, but they started back in 97' or 98'. With SE traffic not being what it used to be back then, is this model still workable?

Naughty · 05-25-2002, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

No, not a lot of progress. it seems europe doesn't pay enough to obtain new customers to make it viable. We're still looking into it, its just taking longer than expected to come up with an answer. We've also had to be fast on our feet because of the rapid changes and semi-collapse of the US market. We're seriously looking to start our own business for it. We have the model all worked out, we just need to part with about 18 mil to do it right.

If I knew what it is/was what you are trying to accomplish, I might be able to help you out with contacts. Maybe I already participated in what you want to do here in Europe.
I have some good friends in the telephone bizz.

the bulldog · 05-25-2002, 02:58 PM

DEAR 12CLICKS,

Are whites superior to blacks, and if so, WHY ???

Scootermuze · 05-25-2002, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

Nobody ever bothers to answer

A woodchuck could chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood...

Kimmykim · 05-25-2002, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

horse shit - like usual.

That might be what's on the bottom of your shoe little man.

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

You boast about your CCbill parties. - You say no one else's even comes close.

You lie. Plain and simple. I give credit where credit is due, and most of my posts about our CCBill parties consist of me inviting people to come to them, free of charge. Something we do for everyone at the shows, client or not.

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

You insult people like crazy. I dont' think I even know of a thread where you arn't insulting someone.

Don't consider yourself to be someone. Unfortunately you're the one I insult the most.

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

You brag about how big and wonderful CCbill is. - constantly - and spam for it on here like crazy.

Basically you're full of shit and it stinks.

CCBill IS a great company. We've paid on time, every time, every penny. We're a billing company, and it's unfortunate that we are great compared to the fact that other companies haven't done that. If I didn't work at CCBill I'd still think it was a good company, and if I ran paysites, you can bet they'd be getting business from me.

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

the only thing you consider worthwile is if someone wants to become your client. you're nothing better than a cheap whore.

Once again, you're stupid. I've spent plenty of time teaching people how to build sites, increase their income, and these people don't even have paysites so they wouldn't be our clients.

And last but not least I can assure you I'm a very expensive whore.

danevans · 05-25-2002, 05:06 PM

This thread is great, a lot of useful info on a lot of subjects.. Haven't seen anything like that on GFY for some time. Btw, if someone wants more useful reading to do when this thread completely turns into a pissing match - head over to:
http://bbs.porncity.net/showthread.php?threadid=32562 (If I messed up the link find a topic by tuffruff where he mentioned $500 and prizes)
For 12clicks - I have a little project which needs a dialer access setup. Which company should I choose (for my members area)?
And please answer DarkJedi's question about traffic filtering..
Thanks, wtg

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2

Yeah I guess what I really wanted to know is why you say we're leaving a lot of money on the table if we go with ONLY recurring.

because some people won't join a site so getting paid when they use a search box or getting paid for a click on a textlink makes you money not made thru a partnership.
some people look closely at a sites T&C and cancel before they recur so these people make you money joining per signup where they wouldn't with recurring.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
12 Clicks. Why doesn't SI have its own PPC search engine?

we've been thinking about it. it wouldn't be that difficult but we've got a lot of other things on our plate that we think would make more money sooner.
I think we will shortly have our own ppc.
our techs can't keep up with our idea men at the moment.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
12clicks: whats the most efficient way to filter traffic ?

buy giving the surfer as many choices to buy something as possible. make your front page a list of options of niches and then each subpage keeps refining the traffic, trying to sell them all the way.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
Hi, just a few questions for 12 clicks, and thanks for answering btw

1.) Who in your opinion are the Top 3 recurring sponsors in terms of retention?

2.)Do you ever think any measures will ever be passed in the US
government, such as COPA that would ban ALL adult material, or would require all explicit material to be placed behind some sort of AVS?

3.)Do you think it's better to have a few large sites with A LOT of traffic (such as a high traffic TGP) , or thousands of small 3-4 page feeder sites with agressive advertising, fpa's, with the ONLY purpose of sending a surfer to a sponsor and getting traffic from SE and small link lists? I personally think the latter is MUCH better and it's worked for me quite well , but everyone these days is so caught up in "high traffic 100k tgp's" (bad traffic), so I would like to know what YOU think.

4.) Do you think it's better to send traffic directly to a sponsor or to send them to a targeted full page ad with with blurs and exits where you offer the surfer other niches of interests and "Join For Free" stuff on the last exits if he doesn't bite? Do you feel this is maximizing you traffic or is it better to get a surfer to the sponsor as quick as possible?

Thanks 12 Clicks!

1) It's hard to be too specific about a top 3 only because personally, 2 of the recurring sponsors I use are private and don't advertise to the general webmaster pool at all so why mention them? yet they are my two best.
I think, as with any thing, you need to learn from trial and error. if you get twice as many signups with sponsor a than sponsor b but sponsor be retains 5 months and sponsor a retains 3 months, you'd still go with sponsor a.
trial and error is the bets way to learn in this business. its slow, but it pays off so much better in the long run than being told who to use.

2) no, the first amendment will always protect you. There may be times of unrest but since the 1st amendment is a liberal device, you will get support from unusual corners protecting it.

3) hehe, thats easy. I like small sites sending traffic to its sponsors. TGPs are all about traffic and not sales. the small feeder sites are only about sales. oh, and the bandwidth bill is much smaller than tgp galleries.

4)I like full page ads so you control the exits and pops. I like to work with sponsors to allow me to link my links to a duplicate front page of thiers that I serve and control and link THAT page to their join page.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69

I forgot to add #5

Do you think the business model of thousands of small freesites still work in today's environment? I know some veteran webmasters that have 4 or 5 dedicated servers with thousands of mini feeder sites, and do well, but they started back in 97' or 98'. With SE traffic not being what it used to be back then, is this model still workable?

Yes, it just takes more time to ramp up. there is more traffic now, just a little harder to get.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Naughty

If I knew what it is/was what you are trying to accomplish, I might be able to help you out with contacts. Maybe I already participated in what you want to do here in Europe.
I have some good friends in the telephone bizz.

Then stop being coy and drop me an email tuesday.

12clicks · 05-25-2002, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

why not ask him some questions that he knows the real answers to.

Like:
How do you rip off a newbie and sell traffic to them for more than it will convert for?

How do you cancel clean accounts without worring how you will sleep at night?

is this guy REALLY a member of our business?

It's like a kindergartner saying the principal at school is mean because he's so big.

05-25-2002, 11:02 AM	#259
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05-25-2002, 11:17 AM	#270
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05-25-2002, 05:06 PM	#293
danevans Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 1,295	This thread is great, a lot of useful info on a lot of subjects.. Haven't seen anything like that on GFY for some time. Btw, if someone wants more useful reading to do when this thread completely turns into a pissing match - head over to: http://bbs.porncity.net/showthread.php?threadid=32562 (If I messed up the link find a topic by tuffruff where he mentioned $500 and prizes) For 12clicks - I have a little project which needs a dialer access setup. Which company should I choose (for my members area)? And please answer DarkJedi's question about traffic filtering.. Thanks, wtg __________________ Custom adult games / apps for your paysites. webmaster at multimoodia.net icq35291012

05-25-2002, 10:40 AM	#251
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05-25-2002, 11:34 AM	#274
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	Sleazy - would you please now shut the fuck up. This is the wrong thread for trying to start a pissing match. 12Clicks - How come I know all the answers and have managed to earn less money than when I knew nothing? I have more sites, more traffic, more variety, better load times, near perfect coding and less $£$£$

05-25-2002, 12:59 PM	#283
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	12 Clicks. Why doesn't SI have its own PPC search engine?

05-25-2002, 01:22 PM	#284
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	12clicks: whats the most efficient way to filter traffic ?

05-25-2002, 01:39 PM	#286
phogirl69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,330	Hi, just a few questions for 12 clicks, and thanks for answering btw 1.) Who in your opinion are the Top 3 recurring sponsors in terms of retention? 2.)Do you ever think any measures will ever be passed in the US government, such as COPA that would ban ALL adult material, or would require all explicit material to be placed behind some sort of AVS? 3.)Do you think it's better to have a few large sites with A LOT of traffic (such as a high traffic TGP) , or thousands of small 3-4 page feeder sites with agressive advertising, fpa's, with the ONLY purpose of sending a surfer to a sponsor and getting traffic from SE and small link lists? I personally think the latter is MUCH better and it's worked for me quite well , but everyone these days is so caught up in "high traffic 100k tgp's" (bad traffic), so I would like to know what YOU think. 4.) Do you think it's better to send traffic directly to a sponsor or to send them to a targeted full page ad with with blurs and exits where you offer the surfer other niches of interests and "Join For Free" stuff on the last exits if he doesn't bite? Do you feel this is maximizing you traffic or is it better to get a surfer to the sponsor as quick as possible? Thanks 12 Clicks!

05-25-2002, 02:58 PM	#290
the bulldog Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Land of Chocolate!! Posts: 519	DEAR 12CLICKS, Are whites superior to blacks, and if so, WHY ???