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RazorSharpe · 08-12-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyandin

Yeah, I have a question that's been bugging the hell out of me. Aside from a three month hiatus due to being pissed at the rates my former gym was charging (before getting a new membership at a cheaper place this month), I have spent the past 15 months working out about 2 times per week.

I normally just do strength training and cardio. I'm 5'9" and I have not gained or lost weight since I started. I'm about 220 (I swing between 215-220 normally). As far as the bullshit BMI goes, I'm considered to be a land barge. However, I comfortably wear 36 jeans, and although I do have some stomach fat that needs trimming away, I'm by no means "fat".

I've increased my upper body muscle mass and definition considerably, and improved my cardio shape, but I still weigh in like I'm made of cinder blocks. UFC fighters who are my height, and have twice as much muscle as I do weight in at 180.

My question is, where the FUCK is this FORTY pounds? Is it really all fat?

Why base your readings on BMI - it's a bit outdated. Go to your local gym and have one of them measure body fat with calipers.

What sort of cardio are you doing? If your body is in a caloric deficit, there is no way you shouldn't be losing weight. It's a fine line between losing weight and gaining muscle at the same time so you need to do the cardio (fasted preferrably), eat right and lift heavy.

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyandin

Yeah, I have a question that's been bugging the hell out of me. Aside from a three month hiatus due to being pissed at the rates my former gym was charging (before getting a new membership at a cheaper place this month), I have spent the past 15 months working out about 2 times per week.

I normally just do strength training and cardio. I'm 5'9" and I have not gained or lost weight since I started. I'm about 220 (I swing between 215-220 normally). As far as the bullshit BMI goes, I'm considered to be a land barge. However, I comfortably wear 36 jeans, and although I do have some stomach fat that needs trimming away, I'm by no means "fat".

I've increased my upper body muscle mass and definition considerably, and improved my cardio shape, but I still weigh in like I'm made of cinder blocks. UFC fighters who are my height, and have twice as much muscle as I do weight in at 180.

My question is, where the FUCK is this FORTY pounds? Is it really all fat?

i actually have no idea. perhaps dlxphil or someone with a better understanding of body composition can weigh in to give you some ideas. have you had a hydrostatic measurement done? it will give you an accurate measurement on where you weight is- muscles, fat, bones, etc.

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

dyna mo

Can you contact me I have some questions for you about this stuff

Looking for some feedback on my diet and what I should eat.

sending an email to the addy in your sig eh.

Cyandin · 08-12-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Why base your readings on BMI - it's a bit outdated. Go to your local gym and have one of them measure body fat with calipers.

What sort of cardio are you doing? If your body is in a caloric deficit, there is no way you shouldn't be losing weight. It's a fine line between losing weight and gaining muscle at the same time so you need to do the cardio (fasted preferrably), eat right and lift heavy.

My cardio is either basketball or on the elliptical machine. when on the elliptical, I do a five minute warmup and a twenty minute post-workout run, at about 150bpm heart rate.

I lift on the medium-heavy side, usually doing three sets of 12 on a weight that has me floundering at the end of my last set.

I have a bears appetite though, and I eat lots of lean protein on the days I work out.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i actually have no idea. perhaps dlxphil or someone with a better understanding of body composition can weigh in to give you some ideas. have you had a hydrostatic measurement done? it will give you an accurate measurement on where you weight is- muscles, fat, bones, etc.

Where can one get that measurement taken?

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyandin

My cardio is either basketball or on the elliptical machine. when on the elliptical, I do a five minute warmup and a twenty minute post-workout run, at about 150bpm heart rate.

I lift on the medium-heavy side, usually doing three sets of 12 on a weight that has me floundering at the end of my last set.

I have a bears appetite though, and I eat lots of lean protein on the days I work out.

Where can one get that measurement taken?

austin, tx
http://www.castlehillfitness.com/bod...on-testing.php

houston
Memorial Hermann's Sports Medicine dept (specifically Human Health & Performance Testing) does hydrostatic weighing for $32.25. This is at 6400 Fannin, suite 1620.

dallas
Dallas Texins Activity Center

Cyandin · 08-12-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

austin, tx
http://www.castlehillfitness.com/bod...on-testing.php

houston
Memorial Hermann's Sports Medicine dept (specifically Human Health & Performance Testing) does hydrostatic weighing for $32.25. This is at 6400 Fannin, suite 1620.

dallas
Dallas Texins Activity Center

Very cool - thanks!

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

Yeah, I have a question that's been bugging the hell out of me. Aside from a three month hiatus due to being pissed at the rates my former gym was charging (before getting a new membership at a cheaper place this month), I have spent the past 15 months working out about 2 times per week.

I normally just do strength training and cardio. I'm 5'9" and I have not gained or lost weight since I started. I'm about 220 (I swing between 215-220 normally). As far as the bullshit BMI goes, I'm considered to be a land barge. However, I comfortably wear 36 jeans, and although I do have some stomach fat that needs trimming away, I'm by no means "fat".

I've increased my upper body muscle mass and definition considerably, and improved my cardio shape, but I still weigh in like I'm made of cinder blocks. UFC fighters who are my height, and have twice as much muscle as I do weight in at 180.

My question is, where the FUCK is this FORTY pounds? Is it really all fat?

Muscle weighs a lot more than fat. People don't realize that 80% of the body transformation comes from the kitchen. If you're eating above maintenance, then you're going to gain muscle/fat.

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

houston
Memorial Hermann's Sports Medicine dept (specifically Human Health & Performance Testing) does hydrostatic weighing for $32.25. This is at 6400 Fannin, suite 1620.

Been there twice, definitely worth the money.

Varius · 08-12-2010, 11:12 AM

After the suggestions in your previous thread, I began to take a look at trying out CKD.

Here is what I put together so far for the carb-up phase, which seems to be much harder to do than the no-carb phase. Any thoughts?

Please keep in mind, that my products are rather limited, so suggesting specific brands, they likely won't have them here in Costa Rica

http://keithbussey.com/ckd.html

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

After the suggestions in your previous thread, I began to take a look at trying out CKD.

Here is what I put together so far for the carb-up phase, which seems to be much harder to do than the no-carb phase. Any thoughts?

Please keep in mind, that my products are rather limited, so suggesting specific brands, they likely won't have them here in Costa Rica

http://keithbussey.com/ckd.html

Honestly dude, you're going about this backwards. The carb up day is the EASIEST day. Depending on your level of activity, you should be having 400-600 carbs that day. I suggest clean carbs but that's the day you can TRULY eat bad foods as long as you don't go over your maintenance. Scheduling your 4-5 meals a day is the hardest for your low carb days..

Tom_PM · 08-12-2010, 11:25 AM

Try pea pods instead of chips. Alaskan snow peas, mangetout, sugar snap peas.. all peas in a pod by whatever name. Best raw IMHO. Really good and crunchy.

Sweet potato fries/chips are also good.

Varius · 08-12-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Honestly dude, you're going about this backwards. The carb up day is the EASIEST day. Depending on your level of activity, you should be having 400-600 carbs that day. I suggest clean carbs but that's the day you can TRULY eat bad foods as long as you don't go over your maintenance. Scheduling your 4-5 meals a day is the hardest for your low carb days..

Well, I don't find it the easiest, I find eating no carbs much easier, but hey we are all different

For the Carb-loading phase, what I saw recommended was:

10-12 grams Carbs per lean kilogram of bodyweight
1g protein per lean pound of bodyweight
X grams of fat below your lean bodyweight in kilos

Do you follow a different formula to only have 400-600 grams ?

I also plan to adjust it every week, of course, that was just something to get me started which fit in

Varius · 08-12-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Try pea pods instead of chips. Alaskan snow peas, mangetout, sugar snap peas.. all peas in a pod by whatever name. Best raw IMHO. Really good and crunchy.

Sweet potato fries/chips are also good.

Our grocery stores here offer canned peas, and canned peas only. No raw peas or exotic types such as what you are listing...I do like wasabi peas though which aren't that bad.

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Well, I don't find it the easiest, I find eating no carbs much easier, but hey we are all different

For the Carb-loading phase, what I saw recommended was:

10-12 grams Carbs per lean kilogram of bodyweight
1g protein per lean pound of bodyweight
X grams of fat below your lean bodyweight in kilos

Do you follow a different formula to only have 400-600 grams ?

I also plan to adjust it every week, of course, that was just something to get me started which fit in

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=36497

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius

After the suggestions in your previous thread, I began to take a look at trying out CKD.

Here is what I put together so far for the carb-up phase, which seems to be much harder to do than the no-carb phase. Any thoughts?

Please keep in mind, that my products are rather limited, so suggesting specific brands, they likely won't have them here in Costa Rica

http://keithbussey.com/ckd.html

that looks like a pretty well thought out 2 day carb loading to me. i'd go ahead with the ckd and see how you respond. getting through the 1st 2 weeks as the metabolism adjusts to getting energy from fat is the hardest.

if you haven't seen these already, here are several xcllnt articles on the topic
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Keto

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Try pea pods instead of chips. Alaskan snow peas, mangetout, sugar snap peas.. all peas in a pod by whatever name. Best raw IMHO. Really good and crunchy.

Sweet potato fries/chips are also good.

<-----fan

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Originally Posted by Varius

Our grocery stores here offer canned peas, and canned peas only. No raw peas or exotic types such as what you are listing...I do like wasabi peas though which aren't that bad.

do they have edamame available there? another pod vegetable chocked with nutrition.

Varius · 08-12-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=36497

That post says the same thing:

"What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg."

260 lbs * 0.70 (lean weight) / 2.2 (convert to kilos) = 82.6 lean kilos

82.6 lean kilos * 10g to 12g = 826g to 991g

I'm not seeing where the error in my math is to get to 400 - 600 carbs ?

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 12:01 PM

I highly recommend that you don't do a 2 day carb up. In fact, when starting CKD, you don't carb up until the 2nd week. Two day carb ups are for people who are in the 10%-11% body fat range or even lower.

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

That post says the same thing:

"What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg."

260 lbs * 0.70 (lean weight) / 2.2 (convert to kilos) = 82.6 lean kilos

82.6 lean kilos * 10g to 12g = 826g to 991g

I'm not seeing where the error in my math is to get to 400 - 600 carbs ?

There is no error in your math.

Varius · 08-12-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that looks like a pretty well thought out 2 day carb loading to me. i'd go ahead with the ckd and see how you respond. getting through the 1st 2 weeks as the metabolism adjusts to getting energy from fat is the hardest.

if you haven't seen these already, here are several xcllnt articles on the topic
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Keto

Yeah I plan to start on it as soon as I get back from a trip to Montreal next week; as today and tomorrow I'm finishing my detox plan, Saturday I have my birthday weekend partying, then next week leave to Montreal where I'm sure I'll indulge in some of the stuff I've missed for the past few years, plus attending a wedding and Qwebec Expo heh.

I'll keep you guys updated how it goes once I do get started with it.

I've read some of those, but will read through the rest, thanks

Varius · 08-12-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

There is no error in your math.

I thought your previous post told me I should be having 400 - 600 carbs...if you meant something else, I guess I misunderstood that statement then, no worries

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Yeah I plan to start on it as soon as I get back from a trip to Montreal next week; as today and tomorrow I'm finishing my detox plan, Saturday I have my birthday weekend partying, then next week leave to Montreal where I'm sure I'll indulge in some of the stuff I've missed for the past few years, plus attending a wedding and Qwebec Expo heh.

I'll keep you guys updated how it goes once I do get started with it.

I've read some of those, but will read through the rest, thanks

i am looking forward to the updates!

Varius · 08-12-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

I highly recommend that you don't do a 2 day carb up. In fact, when starting CKD, you don't carb up until the 2nd week. Two day carb ups are for people who are in the 10%-11% body fat range or even lower.

Interesting, this part I missed reading anywhere. That would certainly adjust my plan then and actually, I think make it easier for me (I mostly hate low-fat carb items, such as rice, pastas, grains). So I guess then I should divide my goals I have currently for 36-hours to 2/3rds ? Or keep them as they are just fit it all into 24 hour period.

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 12:31 PM

Varius, It's absolutely essential that you wait two weeks before your first carb up, otherwise you're not giving your body enough time to deplete itself of glycogen before replenishing your body. And 2 carb ups a week will just slow down your progress. That's only useful for people that have been on that diet for a while and are slowly plateauing.

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Varius, It's absolutely essential that you wait two weeks before your first carb up, otherwise you're not giving your body enough time to deplete itself of glycogen before replenishing your body. And 2 carb ups a week will just slow down your progress. That's only useful for people that have been on that diet for a while and are slowly plateauing.

also, varius, if you are not lifting weights as hard as possible and need the energy to get through your workouts, there is no real reason to cycle the diet. also, this is a super serious and quite extreme diet plan. be careful! the 1st 2 weeks will knock your socks off and your body will be saying fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck this...............! i wouldn't do it for longer then 2-3 months.

xmas13 · 08-12-2010, 12:44 PM

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

also, varius, if you are not lifting weights as hard as possible and need the energy to get through your workouts, there is no real reason to cycle the diet. also, this is a super serious and quite extreme diet plan. be careful! the 1st 2 weeks will knock your socks off and your body will be saying fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck this...............! i wouldn't do it for longer then 2-3 months.

What he said. If you're not lifting, you shouldn't be on CKD. Carb cycling/carbing up is only for people who lift.

Varius · 08-12-2010, 01:08 PM

Ok, so the carbs are just for providing the energy for the upcoming week's workouts, correct? Thus if you aren't planning to workout, you don't need the carbs.

I thought they are also needed, though, to boost back up your glycogen and insulin levels so your body burns fat for energy and not protein (so you lose as little muscle as possible).

ie. on a typical no-carb diet, I imagine one would lose tons of muscle with the weight they lose, not just fat.

Either way, I intend to start at least some lifting...right now my exercise is more of a cardio-only nature (hockey) - but I understand I need to build more muscle for all this to achieve desired results.

Perhaps if I'm not a hardcore workout person, though, I wouldn't require exact amounts of carbs on that one day and it would be easier to just follow this:

6 days a week, no-carb
1 day a week, whatever I feel like eating

??

xNetworx · 08-12-2010, 01:12 PM

This thread is useless without pics of people posting advice

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius

Ok, so the carbs are just for providing the energy for the upcoming week's workouts, correct? Thus if you aren't planning to workout, you don't need the carbs.

I thought they are also needed, though, to boost back up your glycogen and insulin levels so your body burns fat for energy and not protein (so you lose as little muscle as possible).

ie. on a typical no-carb diet, I imagine one would lose tons of muscle with the weight they lose, not just fat.

Either way, I intend to start at least some lifting...right now my exercise is more of a cardio-only nature (hockey) - but I understand I need to build more muscle for all this to achieve desired results.

Perhaps if I'm not a hardcore workout person, though, I wouldn't require exact amounts of carbs on that one day and it would be easier to just follow this:

6 days a week, no-carb
1 day a week, whatever I feel like eating

??

i did the keto diet before i started exercising, with no carb load days at all.

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

This thread is useless without pics of people posting advice

if there's been any misinformation posted by me in this thread feel free to point it out. i try to keep my comments related to my experience only.
before/during. the during pic is ~2= months old, i've packed on some muscle weight
since this last pic was taken and my bf has stayed at ~8%

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Ok, so the carbs are just for providing the energy for the upcoming week's workouts, correct? Thus if you aren't planning to workout, you don't need the carbs.

Something like that, yes. If you're not planning to work out, the excess carbs will be stored as fat.

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I thought they are also needed, though, to boost back up your glycogen and insulin levels so your body burns fat for energy and not protein (so you lose as little muscle as possible).

That's why on a CKD you go 60-65% fat, 35-30% protein, and 5% carbs. I actually do it the other way around with the protein because well, it still works for me. But carbs are needed only when you work out. If you work out 7 days a week and go on keto, your glycogen levels are depleted within 5-6 days, even sooner if you're already low body fat. Hence the carb up day.

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ie. on a typical no-carb diet, I imagine one would lose tons of muscle with the weight they lose, not just fat.

That's what Atkins does.

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Either way, I intend to start at least some lifting...right now my exercise is more of a cardio-only nature (hockey) - but I understand I need to build more muscle for all this to achieve desired results.

It's a good start.

Quote:

Perhaps if I'm not a hardcore workout person, though, I wouldn't require exact amounts of carbs on that one day and it would be easier to just follow this:

6 days a week, no-carb
1 day a week, whatever I feel like eating

??

If you can do that, you'll lose fat and pretty much no muscle at all. Just make sure to keep protein intake high.

Edit: Also, dy na mo knows his shit.

xNetworx · 08-12-2010, 01:26 PM

Good job Dyna

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

Good job Dyna

thx. also, the thread was started more to get a feel for folk's understandings and concerns re: nutrition, i don't want to come across like i think i am an expert or anything, far from it.

but i am launching a new nutrition product shortly and wanted to get a better understanding of what people think of nutrition, etc. and maybe help with any answers i may have and also hoped some others with an interest would chime in with info and thoughts.

Varius · 08-12-2010, 01:39 PM

Thanks for the advice guys. I think I've decided on doing the following, once back from my travel:

First two weeks:
Sunday - Saturday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs

Next four weeks:
Sunday - Friday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs
Saturday: Anything I want

During this period, I will only keep my current exercise (3 hours of hockey on Wednesdays, plus some walking/hiking on Sundays when volunteering at dog shelter).

After that, I'll see about taking the next step: getting an exercise program/gym membership and possibly adding in more carbs.

Sound about right ?

The Demon · 08-12-2010, 01:45 PM

Yup, perfect.

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius

Thanks for the advice guys. I think I've decided on doing the following, once back from my travel:

First two weeks:
Sunday - Saturday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs

Next four weeks:
Sunday - Friday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs
Saturday: Anything I want

During this period, I will only keep my current exercise (3 hours of hockey on Wednesdays, plus some walking/hiking on Sundays when volunteering at dog shelter).

After that, I'll see about taking the next step: getting an exercise program/gym membership and possibly adding in more carbs.

Sound about right ?

just a heads up, be prepared for *gray outs* those 1st 2 weeks. when doing things like walking, or getting up from the couch, etc. you will experience them, similar to black outs but not as extreme. so be careful! your brain will be going through some pretty radical changes as well, as it relies on carbs to function and is making the switch to fats for all processes.

Varius · 08-12-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

just a heads up, be prepared for *gray outs* those 1st 2 weeks. when doing things like walking, or getting up from the couch, etc. you will experience them, similar to black outs but not as extreme. so be careful! your brain will be going through some pretty radical changes as well, as it relies on carbs to function and is making the switch to fats for all processes.

Oddly enough, I haven't experienced any of those symptoms while doing my current detox this week - in fact, I haven't felt week at all, but way more energized.

However, yes it may be different when I am actually eating food, just no carbs for the switch-over as you say - thanks for the heads up

Here is what I came up with to start with:

http://keithbussey.com/diet.html

I figure I'll probably switch it up every week or so to not get too bored with it (ie. swap turkey, steak, etc... in).

I really dislike fish and seafood (aside from tuna), so take a GNC Fish Oil Omega-3 supplement, hopefully that is sufficient.

CaptainHowdy · 08-12-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13

That was unnecessary...

tony286 · 08-12-2010, 05:36 PM

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a new special everyday some are real good

dyna mo · 08-12-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tony299

thought I would share with my brothers of the iron.
http://wheycheap.com/
a new special everyday some are real good

wow, that's a great price, i've been wanting to try that too.

thx!

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-12-2010, 09:03 PM

If carbs give you energy, and you start the Atkins Diet, what do you replace the carbs with to provide you with the energy your body needs?

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-12-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i did the keto diet before i started exercising, with no carb load days at all.

if there's been any misinformation posted by me in this thread feel free to point it out. i try to keep my comments related to my experience only.
before/during. the during pic is ~2= months old, i've packed on some muscle weight
since this last pic was taken and my bf has stayed at ~8%

You not only look better, you bought a new camera too.

Congrats on the motivation.

dyna mo · 08-13-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

If carbs give you energy, and you start the Atkins Diet, what do you replace the carbs with to provide you with the energy your body needs?

Short answer- fat.

long answer- it's my understanding that atkins is a moderate version of a ketogenic diet so you metabolism adjust to low carbs by utilizing fat stores for energy. i believe the atkins does allow carbs so it's not as extreme/quick a fat loss as a ketogenic diet

thx for the props above, Dave!

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-13-2010, 10:16 AM

Thanks for this thread, it's nice to see when one commits to his goals.
You don't see that too often and that Pizza guy kills it for everyone.

I thought Adkins was the fastest weight loss diet out there. I know it's not the healthiest diet.

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Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	After the suggestions in your previous thread, I began to take a look at trying out CKD. Here is what I put together so far for the carb-up phase, which seems to be much harder to do than the no-carb phase. Any thoughts? Please keep in mind, that my products are rather limited, so suggesting specific brands, they likely won't have them here in Costa Rica http://keithbussey.com/ckd.html __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Try pea pods instead of chips. Alaskan snow peas, mangetout, sugar snap peas.. all peas in a pod by whatever name. Best raw IMHO. Really good and crunchy. Sweet potato fries/chips are also good. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	I highly recommend that you don't do a 2 day carb up. In fact, when starting CKD, you don't carb up until the 2nd week. Two day carb ups are for people who are in the 10%-11% body fat range or even lower. __________________ Greed is Good

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The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	Varius, It's absolutely essential that you wait two weeks before your first carb up, otherwise you're not giving your body enough time to deplete itself of glycogen before replenishing your body. And 2 carb ups a week will just slow down your progress. That's only useful for people that have been on that diet for a while and are slowly plateauing. __________________ Greed is Good

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Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Ok, so the carbs are just for providing the energy for the upcoming week's workouts, correct? Thus if you aren't planning to workout, you don't need the carbs. I thought they are also needed, though, to boost back up your glycogen and insulin levels so your body burns fat for energy and not protein (so you lose as little muscle as possible). ie. on a typical no-carb diet, I imagine one would lose tons of muscle with the weight they lose, not just fat. Either way, I intend to start at least some lifting...right now my exercise is more of a cardio-only nature (hockey) - but I understand I need to build more muscle for all this to achieve desired results. Perhaps if I'm not a hardcore workout person, though, I wouldn't require exact amounts of carbs on that one day and it would be easier to just follow this: 6 days a week, no-carb 1 day a week, whatever I feel like eating ?? __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

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xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	Good job Dyna

08-12-2010, 01:39 PM	#83
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Thanks for the advice guys. I think I've decided on doing the following, once back from my travel: First two weeks: Sunday - Saturday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs Next four weeks: Sunday - Friday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs Saturday: Anything I want During this period, I will only keep my current exercise (3 hours of hockey on Wednesdays, plus some walking/hiking on Sundays when volunteering at dog shelter). After that, I'll see about taking the next step: getting an exercise program/gym membership and possibly adding in more carbs. Sound about right ? __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

08-12-2010, 01:45 PM	#84
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	Yup, perfect. __________________ Greed is Good

08-12-2010, 05:36 PM	#88
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	thought I would share with my brothers of the iron. http://wheycheap.com/ a new special everyday some are real good

08-12-2010, 09:03 PM	#90
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	If carbs give you energy, and you start the Atkins Diet, what do you replace the carbs with to provide you with the energy your body needs? __________________ Support a Good Cause

08-13-2010, 10:16 AM	#93
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	Thanks for this thread, it's nice to see when one commits to his goals. You don't see that too often and that Pizza guy kills it for everyone. I thought Adkins was the fastest weight loss diet out there. I know it's not the healthiest diet. __________________ Support a Good Cause Last edited by Semi-Retired-Dave; 08-13-2010 at 10:19 AM..